Penn State Leads Most NFL Draft Busts, Links!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

We are not talking about the Hall of Fame either?

WORST NFL DRAFT PICK LISTING FROM PENN STATE MOST OF ANY SCHOOL, Bleeding NFL Team Budgets In The Red:
TODD BLACKLEDGE was picked No. 7th overall by Chiefs in 1983;
BLAIR THOMAS RB was picked No. 2 overall by the Jets in 1990;
CURTIS ENIS RB was picked No. 5 overall by the Bears in 1998.
KI-JANA CARTER RB was picked No. 1 overall by the Bengals in 1995.
COURTNEY BROWN, DE, was No. 1 overall pick in 2000 by Browns.

BEST & WORST NFL DRAFT PICKS FROM 2000:
2000
Worst: PENN STATE Courtney Brown or Ron Dayne
Brown: After a healthy rookie season with the Browns, injuries beset the No. 1 overall pick for the remainder of his six-year career, and he never again played a full season.
Dayne: Dayne averaged only 3.5 yards per carry over four years as the No. 11 pick of the Giants, and never averaged more than 48 yards per game. Jaguars bust R.J. Soward is spared here only because Brown and Dayne were drafted much higher in the round

2004
Best: PITT Larry Fitzgerald or Ben Roethlisberger
Fitzgerald: Other options for the Cardinals with the No. 3 pick at wide receiver included Roy Williams, Reggie Williams and Lee Evans -- the right choice was definitely made.
Roethlisberger: The Steelers picked up a two-time Super Bowl champion quarterback at No. 11, whose toughness and grit was a great fit for the Pittsburgh fan base.

2006
Best: D'Brickashaw Ferguson or PENN STATE Tamba Hali
Ferguson: The Jets took him at No. 4 and got a Pro Bowler who hasn't missed a game in eight years.
Hali: The pass rusher from Penn State fell to the Chiefs at No. 20, and he turned in his third season of double-digit sacks just last year.

Yipee, Penn State finally got a Draft Pick that did something in the NFL the last few years, but still behind Pitt Players that did more. Guess, being able to play faster and at Pitt does mean something over the Decades unlike Kijana tried to say otherwise? See, Kijana we can salute Penn State why can't you salute Pitt and admit, Pitt has put better players into the NFL?

2007
Best: Calvin Johnson or PITT Darrelle Revis
Johnson: The Lions hit it the jackpot with the No. 2 pick, getting the game's best receiver today.
Revis: The Jets got one of the game's elite cornerbacks at No. 14, who has compiled 109 pass breakups and 21 interceptions for his career

LINK TO THINK FOR KIJANA:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000362408/article/best-and-worst-firstround-nfl-draft-picks-of-the-2000s

This did not even consider Aaron Donald either!

 

[PSUPALY]

You're on a mission, Cap....good luck.

by the way...what's with the all the crazy fonts? how do you emphasize a particular point when you emphasize each and every single character of your message? Bold, italics, crazy pastel colors.....I'm surprised you don't underline everything as well.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

We are not talking about the Hall of Fame either?

WORST NFL DRAFT PICK LISTING FROM PENN STATE MOST OF ANY SCHOOL, Bleeding NFL Team Budgets In The Red:
TODD BLACKLEDGE was picked No. 7th overall by Chiefs in 1983;
BLAIR THOMAS RB was picked No. 2 overall by the Jets in 1990;
CURTIS ENIS RB was picked No. 5 overall by the Bears in 1998.
KI-JANA CARTER RB was picked No. 1 overall by the Bengals in 1995.
COURTNEY BROWN, DE, was No. 1 overall pick in 2000 by Browns.

BEST & WORST NFL DRAFT PICKS FROM 2000:
2000
Worst: PENN STATE Courtney Brown or Ron Dayne
Brown: After a healthy rookie season with the Browns, injuries beset the No. 1 overall pick for the remainder of his six-year career, and he never again played a full season.
Dayne: Dayne averaged only 3.5 yards per carry over four years as the No. 11 pick of the Giants, and never averaged more than 48 yards per game. Jaguars bust R.J. Soward is spared here only because Brown and Dayne were drafted much higher in the round

2004
Best: PITT Larry Fitzgerald or Ben Roethlisberger
Fitzgerald: Other options for the Cardinals with the No. 3 pick at wide receiver included Roy Williams, Reggie Williams and Lee Evans -- the right choice was definitely made.
Roethlisberger: The Steelers picked up a two-time Super Bowl champion quarterback at No. 11, whose toughness and grit was a great fit for the Pittsburgh fan base.

2006
Best: D'Brickashaw Ferguson or PENN STATE Tamba Hali
Ferguson: The Jets took him at No. 4 and got a Pro Bowler who hasn't missed a game in eight years.
Hali: The pass rusher from Penn State fell to the Chiefs at No. 20, and he turned in his third season of double-digit sacks just last year.

Yipee, Penn State finally got a Draft Pick that did something in the NFL the last few years, but still behind Pitt Players that did more. Guess, being able to play faster and at Pitt does mean something over the Decades unlike Kijana tried to say otherwise? See, Kijana we can salute Penn State why can't you salute Pitt and admit, Pitt has put better players into the NFL?

2007
Best: Calvin Johnson or PITT Darrelle Revis
Johnson: The Lions hit it the jackpot with the No. 2 pick, getting the game's best receiver today.
Revis: The Jets got one of the game's elite cornerbacks at No. 14, who has compiled 109 pass breakups and 21 interceptions for his career

LINK TO THINK FOR KIJANA:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000362408/article/best-and-worst-firstround-nfl-draft-picks-of-the-2000s

This did not even consider Aaron Donald either!

NFL HALL OF FAME:
Hall of Famers by College
1. Southern California (11) P-12
1. Notre Dame (11) ACC RELATED
3. Ohio State (9) B10
4. Pittsburgh (8) ACC
4. Michigan (8) B10
6. Alabama (7) SEC
6. Syracuse (7) ACC
7. Illinois (6) B10
7. Miami - Florida (6) ACC
7. Minnesota (6) B10
7. Oregon (6) P12
7. Penn State (6) B10
LINK:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.aspx

Pittsburgh (8)
Mike Ditka ,
Chris Doleman ,
Tony Dorsett ,
Russ Grimm ,
Rickey Jackson ,
Dan Marino ,
Curtis Martin ,
Joe Schmidt
LINK:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.aspx

Penn State (6)
Jack Ham ,
Franco Harris ,
Mike Michalske ,
Lenny Moore ,
Mike Munchak ,
Dave Robinson (SENIOR COMMITTEE LISTING)
LINK:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.aspx

Looks like Decades of Pitt Players that staretd early at Pitt and learned play superior Football in the NFL do exceed those at Penn State, and I am not including Fitzgerald or Revis that have gone to more Pro-Bowls than any Penn State Player on any current NFL Roster?

Hey, Kijana, can you count or do you need more so you will sin no more on the Lair with Nittany Lies?

 

[Pantherman43]

What's funny is nit poster Kijana is named after maybe the biggest Penn State bust of them all. Penn State & NFL busts go together like peanut butter & jelly

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

You're on a mission, Cap....good luck.
by the way...what's with the all the crazy fonts? how do you emphasize a particular point when you emphasize each and every single character of your message? Bold, italics, crazy pastel colors.....I'm surprised you don't underline everything as well.

I shall accommodate you my friend?

No Brag Just The Facts & No Mission Just Reality Some Of You Penn State Fans Have To Accept!

And here is the worse part......Penn State beat Pitt in more games, had way higher attendance, far more revenues, bigger Team Rosters 145 compared to 105, way more Revenue$, and Recruiting Summer Camps that invited over 3,000 Recruits from 8th to 12th Grade, 700 High School Coaches invited to Free Coaching Clinics at PSU, and during the Joe PAterno Years of Winning with Silence, Secrecy & Cover Ups..............and Penn State still is behind Pitt in the NFL Hall Of Fame and right now cannot match Pitt NFL Prowess even TODAY!!!

This just refutes Kijana Nittany Lies that claimed Pitt fans have said this for Decades when IN FACT PITT has produced such Players.

I posted the Players, Links, and Facts that’s shows a Recruit coming to Pitt and playing early and often does better in the NFL versus Penn State Players that go to Penn State and practice but are more likely to become NFL Busts!

Pitt has been doing it for Decades unlike Kijana cannot admit and I underlined it just for you!

 

[Pitt-Chains]

I shall accommodate you my friend?

No Brag Just The Facts & No Mission Just Reality Some Of You Penn State Fans Have To Accept!

And here is the worse part......Penn State beat Pitt in more games, had way higher attendance, far more revenues, bigger Team Rosters 145 compared to 105, way more Revenue$, and Recruiting Summer Camps that invited over 3,000 Recruits from 8th to 12th Grade, 700 High School Coaches invited to Free Coaching Clinics at PSU, and during the Joe PAterno Years of Winning with Silence, Secrecy & Cover Ups..............and Penn State still is behind Pitt in the NFL Hall Of Fame and right now cannot match Pitt NFL Prowess even TODAY!!!

This just refutes Kijana Nittany Lies that claimed Pitt fans have said this for Decades when IN FACT PITT has produced such Players.

I posted the Players, Links, and Facts that’s shows a Recruit coming to Pitt and playing early and often does better in the NFL versus Penn State Players that go to Penn State and practice but are more likely to become NFL Busts!

Pitt has been doing it for Decades unlike Kijana cannot admit and I underlined it just for you!

Captain, information is power !

PITT IS IT !

 

[PSUPALY]

I shall accommodate you my friend?

No Brag Just The Facts & No Mission Just Reality Some Of You Penn State Fans Have To Accept!

And here is the worse part......Penn State beat Pitt in more games, had way higher attendance, far more revenues, bigger Team Rosters 145 compared to 105, way more Revenue$, and Recruiting Summer Camps that invited over 3,000 Recruits from 8th to 12th Grade, 700 High School Coaches invited to Free Coaching Clinics at PSU, and during the Joe PAterno Years of Winning with Silence, Secrecy & Cover Ups..............and Penn State still is behind Pitt in the NFL Hall Of Fame and right now cannot match Pitt NFL Prowess even TODAY!!!

This just refutes Kijana Nittany Lies that claimed Pitt fans have said this for Decades when IN FACT PITT has produced such Players.

I posted the Players, Links, and Facts that’s shows a Recruit coming to Pitt and playing early and often does better in the NFL versus Penn State Players that go to Penn State and practice but are more likely to become NFL Busts!

Pitt has been doing it for Decades unlike Kijana cannot admit and I underlined it just for you!

Ok...so why is the 1 section all in Red? Why did you choose that part of your message to, all of sudden, type in Red font. where's the subtle difference in content from where you connect to the other colored section that's also in italics & underlined?

I realize you underlined everything because of what I said, but you do this in all your posts. just difficult to follow what you're trying to convey.

I was just curious...no biggie if you didn't want to explain.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The Awesome That Was: Fitzgerald's hands were modern marvels
By Chris Trapasso | CBSSports.com
February 9, 2015 12:48 pm ET

Larry Fitzgerald has pieced together an illustrious, Hall of Fame-caliber career with the Arizona Cardinals. But now six years removed from Kurt Warner at quarterback, the squeaky clean receiver's production has fallen victim to perennially poor signal-caller play in the desert. Despite a somewhat quiet demeanor in an era when "diva" receivers have become the focal point of many offenses and headlines, Fitzgerald's on-field dominance has said it all. But will Fitzgerald finish out his career in Arizona?

Now at a career crossroads, a career retrospective is in order for arguably the finest wideout of the 2000s. Physical prowess, incredibly sound fundamentals. After a dazzling, circus-catch highlight reel of a career at the University of Pittsburgh (easily the most underrated college program for providing the NFL with star players), Fitzgerald was the hottest wide-receiver commodity in the 2004 NFL Draft class.

At the combine he measured in at a chiseled 6-feet-2 7/8 inches and 225 pounds with a 38-inch vertical, sub 4.5 speed and, most importantly, 10.5-inch hands. How big are 10.5-inch mitts? Enormous. Odell Beckham Jr.'s hands are only 10 inches. Fitzgerald was selected No. 3 overall by the Cardinals, and he instantly exploded in the NFL, catching 58 passes for 780 yards with eight touchdowns as a rookie.

From 2005 until 2011, despite a carousel of mediocre-to-average quarterbacks throwing him the football, he caught at least 100 passes or had more than 1,000 yards in all but one season. The only season he didn't surpass either mark was 2006 when he missed three games due to a hamstring injury.

Back to Odell Beckham Jr. for a second. Fitzgerald was the "one-handed catch master" when Beckham Jr. wasn't even at LSU yet. Check this Sports Science video from 2009. It's almost as if -- because of the immense talent he was given in the perfect No. 1 wideout body -- Fitzgerald promised the Football Gods he'd never even attempt a body catch.

Sure hands stats. Pro Football Focus' database begins in 2007. By the start of that season, Fitzgerald already had more than 200 career NFL receptions from his rookie year in 2004 through 2006. Starting in Week 1 of the 2007 campaign, Fitzgerald has been amazingly, almost unbelievably sure-handed.

Larry Fitzgerald by the numbers
Year Targets Receptions Catchable Targets Drops Drop Rate (Drops / Catchable Targets)
2014 100 63 64 1 1.5625
2013 129 82 83 1 1.204819277
2012 148 71 76 5 6.578947368
2011 151 80 83 3 3.614457831
2010 168 90 93 3 3.225806452
2009 143 96 99 3 3.03030303
2008 145 96 99 3 3.03030303
2007 153 100 103 3 2.912621359
Avg: 3.14

He's never finished lower than sixth in drop rate during the eight-year period tracked by PFF. While his remarkable grabs are what most will remember about Fitzgerald, his stunningly low drop rates are a testament to truly how reliable he has been each and every season he's played in the NFL.

For perspective on Fitzgerald's most disappointing drop rate of 6.57 percent in 2012, Falcons stud Julio Jones had a drop rate of 7.14 percent this past year, which is the best drop rate he's ever managed as a professional. Calvin Johnson's best drop rate was 6.80 percent in 2011.

The magical playoff run
In 2008, the Cardinals weren't expected to be a dangerous playoff contender. But in the second year with the stable Kurt Warner under center, Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin and Co. finally were able to put their talent to good use. After jumping out to a 7-3 record, Arizona lost four of its next five.

However, a win in the season finale over the Seattle Seahawks gave Ken Whisenhunt's team the NFC West title. It began arguably the most magical postseason run we've seen in quite some time, and it was one for the record books for Fitzgerald.

At home against rookie Matt Ryan and the upstart Atlanta Falcons, the Cardinals top receiving target caught six passes for 101 yards with a touchdown. Arizona won 30-24. The following week on the road against the heavily-favored Carolina Panthers, Fitzgerald turned 13 targets into eight receptions for 166 yards and a score. The Cardinals stunned the 12-4 NFC South champs 33-13.

The QBs change, but Larry Fitzgerald's sure-handedness has been a constant in Arizona. (Getty Images) The QBs change, but Larry Fitzgerald's sure-handedness has been a constant in Arizona. (Getty Images)

In the NFC title game against the Philadelphia Eagles, Warner threw the football to Fitzgerald 10 times, and the 25-year-old receiver made nine grabs for 152 yards with three first-half touchdowns. In a wildly entertaining affair, the Cardinals prevailed 32-25.

Fitzgerald wasn't done.
Facing the stingy Pittsburgh Steelers defense in the Super Bowl, he caught seven passes for 127 yards with two more touchdowns, none bigger than the slant he took 64-yards to the house with 2:37 remaining to give the Cardinals the lead. If it weren't for a tremendous, Ben Roethlisberger-led game-winning drive, Fitzgerald would have almost single-handedly brought the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Phoenix for the first time in Cardinals franchise history.

His 30 catches, 546 yards and seven touchdowns in that postseason run are all (post-1960) NFL playoff records to this day.

Recent production

After Warner retired in January of 2010, here's a list of the quarterbacks who've started a game for the Cardinals: Derek Anderson, John Skelton, Max Hall, Kelvin Kolb, Ryan Lindley, Brian Hoyer, Drew Stanton and Carson Palmer. In the first season without Warner, Fitzgerald caught 90 passes for 1,137 yards with six touchdowns with a frightening quarterback trio of Anderson, Skelton and Hall.

Just before the 2011 campaign, the Cardinals rewarded their franchise foundation with a record-breaking eight-year, $128.5 million contract with $50 million guaranteed. After a 10-touchdown 2013, Fitzgerald had his worst season in a decade last season. Yet he still managed 63 receptions for 784 yards with two scores while playing 14 games in a season when Arizona started four different signal-callers.

What's next?
Representing a massive cap hit of $23.6 million in 2015, the Cardinals and Fitzgerald have huge decisions to make. According to AZCardinals.com, head coach Bruce Arians "definitely, desperately wants him to stay." Will Fitzgerald, who's now 31, agree to a contract restructure, or will he opt to hit the free-agent market?


He's still in fantastic shape, and although he may not be as laterally quick or fast down the field as he was in the mid-2000s, his ball skills haven't diminished, as evidenced by his single drop in each of the last two seasons. Both sides will likely have to decide before March, when Fitzgerald's $8 million roster bonus kicks in. With another 1,000 yards, he'll become one of 17 wideouts in league history to reach the 13,000-yard mark, and he's 91 grabs away from 1,000 in his career.

He was the youngest player to -- deep inhale -- 700, 800 and 900 catches and the youngest player ever to 7,000 receiving yards. Fitzgerald isn't necessarily finished. Or even close to being finished. He's still only 31, and won't turn 32 until Aug. 31. Steve Smith has managed 295 catches, 4,378 yards and 21 TDs after his 32nd birthday.

Regardless of what happens, Fitzgerald has already cemented himself as one of the NFL's most excellent receivers. Also, he has never had an off-field or locker-room issue, and has his hands in a variety of community service and charitable efforts.

We've been lucky to witness his consistent receiving career as one of the NFL's good guys.
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...s-greatness-but-will-he-finish-with-cardinals

Certainly, better than that slug women beater Larry Johnson from Penn State?

Kijana, you need to admit you are wrong!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Ok...so why is the 1 section all in Red? Why did you choose that part of your message to, all of sudden, type in Red font. where's the subtle difference in content from where you connect to the other colored section that's also in italics & underlined?

I realize you underlined everything because of what I said, but you do this in all your posts. just difficult to follow what you're trying to convey.

I was just curious...no biggie if you didn't want to explain.

Some Penn State CULTure Fans like "Kijana" have memory problems and cannot read content when other Football Program have proven areas that are show they have been and still are superior to what they thought Joe PAterno built at Penn State?

They forget Joseph Vincent Paterno with Gerry Sandusky by his side built the Penn State Football Program without an Athletic Integrity Agreement, Integrity Officer, Director of Ethics and Compliance, not following the Clery Act, Title IX and not under Institutional Control by the Trustees or President along with using The Second Mile as way to reach out to recruiting and misusing disadvantaged children in every county in Pennsylvania.

Pitt has still done better in producing NFL Players in spite of those Penn State Violations. All at the same time, Penn State Advantages as I mentioned in another post above.

I have no problem in recognizing Penn State Football Prowess at anytime, but I will defend my positions, opinions, with facts and links when someone like "Kijana" attempts to build up Penn State by tearing down Pitt and other programs.

Kijana's attacks on Pitt, Fitz and Players as well as my Posts have been thoroughly defended and proven his own poor opinions based on his ignorance mixed with arrogance and now seen as smart beats dumb. Kijana needed a lesson and he got more than one lesson and will get some more. I am just warming up!

You can continue to worry about FONTS as I put up FACTS with LINKS to back up my Opinions to Think!

Does that answer your question?

 

[Pitt-Chains]

Some Penn State CULTure Fans like "Kijana" have memory problems and cannot read content when other Football Program have proven areas that are show they have been and still are superior to what they thought Joe PAterno built at Penn State?

They forget Joseph Vincent Paterno with Gerry Sandusky by his side built the Penn State Football Program without an Athletic Integrity Agreement, Integrity Officer, Director of Ethics and Compliance, not following the Clery Act, Title IX and not under Institutional Control by the Trustees or President along with using The Second Mile as way to reach out to recruiting and misusing disadvantaged children in every county in Pennsylvania.

Pitt has still done better in producing NFL Players in spite of those Penn State Violations. All at the same time, Penn State Advantages as I mentioned in another post above.

I have no problem in recognizing Penn State Football Prowess at anytime, but I will defend my positions, opinions, with facts and links when someone like "Kijana" attempts to build up Penn State by tearing down Pitt and other programs.

Kijana's attacks on Pitt, Fitz and Players as well as my Posts have been thoroughly defended and proven his own poor opinions based on his ignorance mixed with arrogance and now seen as smart beats dumb. Kijana needed a lesson and he got more than one lesson and will get some more. I am just warming up!

You can continue to worry about FONTS as I put up FACTS with LINKS to back up my Opinions to Think!

Does that answer your question?

Captain, that is why you are the CAPTAIN !

 

[PSUPALY]

Some Penn State CULTure Fans like "Kijana" have memory problems and cannot read content when other Football Program have proven areas that are show they have been and still are superior to what they thought Joe PAterno built at Penn State?

They forget Joseph Vincent Paterno with Gerry Sandusky by his side built the Penn State Football Program without an Athletic Integrity Agreement, Integrity Officer, Director of Ethics and Compliance, not following the Clery Act, Title IX and not under Institutional Control by the Trustees or President along with using The Second Mile as way to reach out to recruiting and misusing disadvantaged children in every county in Pennsylvania.

Pitt has still done better in producing NFL Players in spite of those Penn State Violations. All at the same time, Penn State Advantages as I mentioned in another post above.

I have no problem in recognizing Penn State Football Prowess at anytime, but I will defend my positions, opinions, with facts and links when someone like "Kijana" attempts to build up Penn State by tearing down Pitt and other programs.

Kijana's attacks on Pitt, Fitz and Players as well as my Posts have been thoroughly defended and proven his own poor opinions based on his ignorance mixed with arrogance and now seen as smart beats dumb. Kijana needed a lesson and he got more than one lesson and will get some more. I am just warming up!

You can continue to worry about FONTS as I put up FACTS with LINKS to back up my Opinions to Think!

Does that answer your question?

With everything you just said in your reply, does it answer my question regarding how you over-emphasize every thing you say w/colored fonts, bold, italics, etc? no...you didn't address it all. don't you realize you didn't address it all (that was rhetorical)? you just keep repeating and copying/pasting content you were discussing with any another poster.

no worries. we can both move on.

 

[pittmeister]

With everything you just said in your reply, does it answer my question regarding how you over-emphasize every thing you say w/colored fonts, bold, italics, etc? no...you didn't address it all. don't you realize you didn't address it all (that was rhetorical)? you just keep repeating and copying/pasting content you were discussing with any another poster.

no worries. we can both move on.

Do you have any substitive rebuttles to the content of his post? Or is his choice of font the best you can do?

Bottom line is.....This is a Pitt message board and we are discussing a subject matter (Sanders) that may or may not affect Pitt directly. we are not discussing the matter on your message board... So leave and discuss this among your own if you care to...

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Let's update a Current Updated Link to make Kijana To Think", How Pitt recruits do better in the NFL by learning to play at Pitt early and often at Pitt, unlike at Penn State, shall we?

PENNLIVE ARTICLE:
Five Former Penn State Standouts Crack List Of NFL's Biggest Draft Busts: The 2014 NFL Draft is a little more than two weeks away and while it's an exciting yet stressful time for draft hopefuls and NFL executives, it's also a time for reflection. Some of these reflections come in the form of bad memories and thoughts of what could have been. Every NFL franchise has been through it and Sporting News opted to select the worst draft pick in the history of each of the 32 NFL teams. Which college team placed the most busts on the list? That award goes to the Nittany Lions who had five former top-10 draft picks make the cut. Here were the five former Penn State players who for injuries or otherwise made the list that nobody wants to be on:

Curtis Enis, RB, PSU, No. 5 overall pick in 1998
A high school All-American and Ohio's Mr. Football, Enis became a first-team All America selection at Penn State before being selected fifth overall in the 1998 NFL Draft. The Chicago Bears took him as the first running back off the board, four picks ahead of the Jacksonville Jaguars drafted Fred Taylor. Enis' four year NFL career was cut short due to knee injuries and after just 36 games Enis and the Bears parted ways. He wrapped up his NFL career with the same number of fumbles (4) as rushing touchdowns.
College stats: 565 carries, 3,256 rushing yards, 36 touchdowns,
NFL stats: 456 carries, 1,497 rushing yards, 4 rushing touchdowns.
Players selected before Enis: Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, Andre Wadsworth, Charles Woodson.

Ki-Jana Carter, RB, PSU, No. 1 overall pick in 1995
The Cincinnati Bengals drafted Carter, the Heisman Trophy runner up, with the No. 1 overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft. He was the first PSU player ever taken with the top pick in the draft. Carter was coming off a standout junior season where he carried the ball for the 12-0 Lions 198 times for 1,539 yards. The All American selection carried the ball 27 times for 227 yards and five touchdowns against Michigan State. He played seven seasons in the NFL.
College stats: 395 carries, 2,829 yards, 34 touchdowns
NFL stats: 319 carries, 1, 144 yards, 20 touchdowns, 59 games.
Players selected after Carter: Tony Boselli, Steve McNair, Michael Westbrook, Kerry Collins, Kevin Carter

Courtney Brown, DE, PSU, No. 1 overall pick in 2000
The Cleveland Browns took Brown with the top pick in the 2000 NFL Draft. As a first-team All-America selection the defensive end was also named the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. As a three-year starter Brown broke Penn State records for career tackles for loss (70), sacks (33) and the season mark for tackles for loss (29). A player who figured to be a sure bet for the Browns ended up dealing with knee and ankle injuries that ultimately resulted in the end of his career. Aside from his rookie season where he played in all 16 games, the following six seasons he played in 45 games and missed 51 because of injury.
College stats: 33 sacks, 70 tackles for loss, three-time All-Big Ten selection.
NFL stats: 19 sacks, 15 pass deflections, seven forced fumbles, 94 tackles
Players selected after Brown: LaVar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Peter Warrick, Jamal Lewis, Corey Simon

Todd Blackledge, QB, PSU, No. 7 overall pick in 1983
The Kansas City Chiefs selected the former Penn State quarterback with the seventh pick in the 1983 NFL Draft. Blackledge was a three year starter for the Nittany Lions and was the Davey O'Brien Award winner, an honor given to the nation's best quarterback, following the Lions' 1982 National Championship season. He was one of six quarterbacks selected in the first round of the 1983 draft, but unlike John Elway and Dan Marino, Blackledge's NFL career didn't materialize.
College stats: 341 completions, 4,812 yards, 41 touchdowns, 41 interceptions, 51.8 completion percentage.
NFL stats: 424 completions, 5,286 yards, 29 touchdowns, 38 interceptions, 48.1 completion percentage
Players selected before Blackledge: John Elway, Eric Dickerson, Curt Warner, Chris Hinton, Billy Ray Smith, Jimbo Covert

Blair Thomas, RB, PSU, No. 2 overall pick in 1990
Thomas was selected by the New York Jets as the No. 2 overall player in the 1990 NFL Draft. Thomas rushed for 3,301 yards during his Penn State career and became the only player to rush for 1,300-plus yards in two seasons. He was 10th in the voting for the 1989 Heisman Trophy, a feat he accomplished after coming off reconstructive knee surgery. During his six seasons in the NFL he dealt with various injuries and compiled just 2,000 rushing yards and five touchdowns in four seasons with the Jets.
College stats: 606 carries, 3,301 rushing yards, 21 touchdowns
NFL stats: 533 carries, 2,236 yards, 7 touchdowns
Player selected before Thomas: Jeff George

LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2014/04/five_former_penn_state_standou.html

I always recognize Penn State Prowess in recruiting summer camps, coaching clinics, attendance, revenues, and developing great Teams from players that attend Penn State. They not only have more players than Pitt in the NFL they have more than most schools in the East Region with those Penn State advantages, but were built on Graham, Paterno, Curley, & Sandusky violations of NCAA Rules, Laws and Regulations.

Still, after all those years and even this year Penn State still lags behind Pitt in National Championships and NFL & College Hall of Famers. The additional Facts are Pitt ahs has more Offensive, Defensive and Rookie NFL Players Of The Year than all your Players in the NFL Today as well. Clearly, Pitt does more with less than Penn State in the NFL and those are facts too!

Yet, other facts are that Penn State under Paterno Penn State had no Athletic Integrity Agreement, Athletic Code of Conduct, and did not follow Clery Act and Title IX Laws until 2012. Clearly, Paterno felt he did not need to obey those rules and regulations like all Big Ten other schools were doing and accounts for the heavy arrests records Penn State Players accumulated under Paterno's CULTure of Football. silence, secrecy, and cover ups, making it a mix bag of success, sanctions and sentencing.

Well, at Pitt and on the Lair, we don't run away and ignore Facts like many Penn State Posters seem to do. We enjoy educating the ignorant (Not Saying That You) and just want to claim what they want to see, much like the Sandusky Scandal. We look at everything and we know Pitt flaws as much as Penn State flaws and all Football Programs have had flaws from time to time, unlike many Penn Staters think does not apply to them, (Again Not Including You In That CULTure Group).

There is no "IFs" about it, what I posted are Facts and you can verify as well as Stats! This validates that Pitt with even less Players are still producing better and higher quality players as they did even competing with Paterno and O'Brien, and going to more Pro Bowls than all those current Penn State Players playing as well as those recovering from injuries did combine.

Additionally, this shows that Pitt is still the Premier Football Program in Pennsylvania and always has been even in the Paterno Cover Up Years!

If those Facts upset Kijana, that is on Kijana, not all Penn State Fans and now you have been educated by a Pitt Fan on this current subject.

Now to be fair on the Lair, one and all can see what James Franklin is doing a great job and following all rules, regulations, and laws unlike Paterno, that is fact!
It is also duly noted, that O'Brien did not pass on Pitt's QB Savage and started him when he needed to do it.

Additionally, O'Brien does not have one of those many Penn State Players on his Roster?

It is ESPN did point out Penn State has no players in the Top 100 CF Players this year and Pitt has 2, showing Pitt is still producing more Premier Players than Penn State and that is a fact too!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

For PnnyLion claiming I ran away when he knows he got hosed.....

Thank you Kijana for the Opportunity to make a complete comparison of Pitt Players in NFL with more Pro-Bowls and Top Awards than Penn State Players in The NFL. Here are the listings with Links! As you will see, Pitt has produced the higher quality players and Penn State has produced higher quantity and unfortunately the most NFL Draft Bust Players costing teams millions by not performing too! As you can see, Pitt has less players in NFL but far more in Pro-Bowls, Defensive and Offensive Players of the Years, Rookie of The Year and less on Injured Reserved? Pitt's Aaron Donald also had a way better year than Penn State than Bowman that did not finish the season?


PENN STATE CURRENT NFL PLAYERS:
28 PLAYERS LISTED
26 PLAYERS VERIFIED ON ROSTER
5 INJURED RESERVED 201413 COMBINED PRO-BOWLS TOTAL
0 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
0 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
0 NFL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

PITT CURRENT NFL PLAYERS:
13 PLAYERS LISTED
12 PLAYERS VERIFIED ON ROSTER
0 INJURED RESERVED 2014
21 COMBINED PRO-BOWLS TOTAL
1 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR***
1 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR**
1 NFL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR*
*** REVIS
** MCCOY
*** DONALD

PENN STATE PLAYERS LISTED AT ALUMNI TRACKER
*1 NaVorro Bowman (53) 49ers ILB 5 *(Injured Reserve) (PRO-BOWL 3)
2 Brett Brackett (87) Titans TE 4
*3 Glenn Carson (56) Cardinals LB R
4 Jack Crawford (58) Cowboys DE 4
5 Garry Gilliam (79) Seahawks T R
6 Robbie Gould (9) Bears K 10 (PRO-BOWL 1)
7 Tamba Hali (91) Chiefs OLB 9 (PRO-BOWL 5)
8 Jordan Hill (97) Seahawks DT 2
9 Gerald Hodges (50) Vikings OLB 2
10 DaQuan Jones (90) Titans DE R
11 Sean Lee (50) Cowboys MLB 5 (Injured Reserve)
12 Michael Mauti (56) Vikings ILB 2
*13 Matt McGloin (14) Raiders QB 2
14 Derek Moye (14) Titans WR (Not On Roster)
15 Jordan Norwood (11) Broncos WR 6 (Injured Reserve)
16 Jared Odrick (98) Dolphins DT 5
17 Rich Ohrnberger (74) Chargers C 6
18 Paul Posluszny (51) Jaguars MLB 8 (Injured Reserve)
*19 Andrew Quarless (81) Packers TE 5
20 Allen Robinson (15) Jaguars WR R (Injured Reserve)
21 A.Q. Shipley (63) Indianapolis Colts C 6
22 Mickey Shuler (81) Jaguars TE **(Not On Roster)
**23 Devon Still (75) Bengals DT 3
24 Nate Stupar (52) Falcons LB 3
25 Johnnie Troutman (63) Chargers G 3
26 John Urschel (64) Ravens G R
27 Cameron Wake (91) Dolphins DE 7 (PRO-BOWL 4)
28 Stefen Wisniewski (61) Raiders C 4
*ARREST RECORD AT PENN STATE
**NON-CHILD SUPPORT CITATION 2014
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/alumni-tracker/school/2927

PITT PLAYERS LISTED AT ALUMNI TRACKER
1 Chas Alecxih (70) Chargers DT **(Not On Roster)
2 Dom DeCicco (49) Minnesota Vikings LB
3 Aaron Donald (99) Rams DT R (ROOKIE OF THE YEAR & PRO BOWL)
4 Larry Fitzgerald (11) Cardinals WR 10 (PRO-BOWL 8)
5 Henry Hynoski (45) Giants FB 4
6 Andy Lee (4) 49ers P (PRO-BOWL 4)
7 LeSean McCoy (25) Eagles RB 6 (PRO-BOWL 3 & OFEENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR)
8 Mike McGlynn (75) Chiefs G 7
9 Darrelle Revis (24) Patriots CB 8 (PRO-BOWL 6 TIMES DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR)
10 Tom Savage (3) Texans QB R
11 Jabaal Sheard (97) Browns OLB 4
12 Devin Street (15) Cowboys WR R
13 K'Waun Williams (36) Browns DB R
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/alumni-tracker/school/2927

PITT IS IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

 

[psulion11]

I just want something clarified. Is the purpose to a link regarding Penn State busts for the purpose of showing why recruits should come to Pitt or just to show why you believe Pitt is the better program? I wont knock any of the recent guys mentioned, Shady, Fitz, Revis or Donald. Ive watched them all play and think theyre great talents and wish they were Steelers. I even played against Donald while he was at Penn Hills so I know what he can do.

I don't understand though the point proving Penn State has more busts or Pitt has more HOFers. Do you really think a 17 year old kid would choose Pitt over PSU because they have TWO more guys in the HOF. Or that since PSU has more busts that means they'll be a bust too. Which a few of those busts have been to injuries when in that time many people didn't come back from.

Also, do recruits really care that guys MUCH older than them got in the hall of fame from that school when they were being coached and developed by coaches who are now retired and some even dead. If were talking recruiting, wouldn't it make sense to look at what guys in the NFL now were coached by Franklin and his staff as well as Narduzzi and his staff. I don't have any info to support either staff, it could swing either way. Just think that is the best way to look at it, and that kids now really don't care if one school has 8 hall of famers compared to 6

 

[CampbellLION]

For PnnyLion claiming I ran away when he knows he got hosed.....

Thank you Kijana for the Opportunity to make a complete comparison of Pitt Players in NFL with more Pro-Bowls and Top Awards than Penn State Players in The NFL. Here are the listings with Links! As you will see, Pitt has produced the higher quality players and Penn State has produced higher quantity and unfortunately the most NFL Draft Bust Players costing teams millions by not performing too! As you can see, Pitt has less players in NFL but far more in Pro-Bowls, Defensive and Offensive Players of the Years, Rookie of The Year and less on Injured Reserved? Pitt's Aaron Donald also had a way better year than Penn State than Bowman that did not finish the season?


PENN STATE CURRENT NFL PLAYERS:
28 PLAYERS LISTED
26 PLAYERS VERIFIED ON ROSTER
5 INJURED RESERVED 201413 COMBINED PRO-BOWLS TOTAL
0 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
0 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
0 NFL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

PITT CURRENT NFL PLAYERS:
13 PLAYERS LISTED
12 PLAYERS VERIFIED ON ROSTER
0 INJURED RESERVED 2014
21 COMBINED PRO-BOWLS TOTAL
1 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR***
1 DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR**
1 NFL ROOKIE OF THE YEAR*
*** REVIS
** MCCOY
*** DONALD

PENN STATE PLAYERS LISTED AT ALUMNI TRACKER
*1 NaVorro Bowman (53) 49ers ILB 5 *(Injured Reserve) (PRO-BOWL 3)
2 Brett Brackett (87) Titans TE 4
*3 Glenn Carson (56) Cardinals LB R
4 Jack Crawford (58) Cowboys DE 4
5 Garry Gilliam (79) Seahawks T R
6 Robbie Gould (9) Bears K 10 (PRO-BOWL 1)
7 Tamba Hali (91) Chiefs OLB 9 (PRO-BOWL 5)
8 Jordan Hill (97) Seahawks DT 2
9 Gerald Hodges (50) Vikings OLB 2
10 DaQuan Jones (90) Titans DE R
11 Sean Lee (50) Cowboys MLB 5 (Injured Reserve)
12 Michael Mauti (56) Vikings ILB 2
*13 Matt McGloin (14) Raiders QB 2
14 Derek Moye (14) Titans WR (Not On Roster)
15 Jordan Norwood (11) Broncos WR 6 (Injured Reserve)
16 Jared Odrick (98) Dolphins DT 5
17 Rich Ohrnberger (74) Chargers C 6
18 Paul Posluszny (51) Jaguars MLB 8 (Injured Reserve)
*19 Andrew Quarless (81) Packers TE 5
20 Allen Robinson (15) Jaguars WR R (Injured Reserve)
21 A.Q. Shipley (63) Indianapolis Colts C 6
22 Mickey Shuler (81) Jaguars TE **(Not On Roster)
**23 Devon Still (75) Bengals DT 3
24 Nate Stupar (52) Falcons LB 3
25 Johnnie Troutman (63) Chargers G 3
26 John Urschel (64) Ravens G R
27 Cameron Wake (91) Dolphins DE 7 (PRO-BOWL 4)
28 Stefen Wisniewski (61) Raiders C 4
*ARREST RECORD AT PENN STATE
**NON-CHILD SUPPORT CITATION 2014
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/alumni-tracker/school/2927

PITT PLAYERS LISTED AT ALUMNI TRACKER
1 Chas Alecxih (70) Chargers DT **(Not On Roster)
2 Dom DeCicco (49) Minnesota Vikings LB
3 Aaron Donald (99) Rams DT R (ROOKIE OF THE YEAR & PRO BOWL)
4 Larry Fitzgerald (11) Cardinals WR 10 (PRO-BOWL 8)
5 Henry Hynoski (45) Giants FB 4
6 Andy Lee (4) 49ers P (PRO-BOWL 4)
7 LeSean McCoy (25) Eagles RB 6 (PRO-BOWL 3 & OFEENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR)
8 Mike McGlynn (75) Chiefs G 7
9 Darrelle Revis (24) Patriots CB 8 (PRO-BOWL 6 TIMES DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR)
10 Tom Savage (3) Texans QB R
11 Jabaal Sheard (97) Browns OLB 4
12 Devin Street (15) Cowboys WR R
13 K'Waun Williams (36) Browns DB R
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/alumni-tracker/school/2927

PITT IS IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Psulion1: I just want something clarified. Is the purpose to a link regarding Penn State busts for the purpose of showing why recruits should come to Pitt or just to show why you believe Pitt is the better program?

One of your Penn State Posters had to be corrected and all I did was post Links and Facts that does show Penn State has produced the most NFL First Round Draft Busts in not one several publications over the years, and that is a fact.

Additionally, had to refute that same Posters Lies that shows Pitt has produced better Players for the NFL with more awards and he claimed that over the Decades that was not true, but Pitt has done just that that is a fact too.

Moreover, the misinformed Penn State Poster tried to selectively use part of Awards and compare Pitt's Players in the NFL to others, without mentioning that Penn State had nothing near that Quality, so again a further correction.

In summary, it is not a belief but a FACT that PITT has produced better and more record setting Players in College and the NFL than Penn State and I cited them with Links to verify such a FACT!

At the same time, I agreed, respected, and recognized that Penn State has produced more Players in the NFL and listed 26 to 28 of them compared to PITT's 12 to 13, but PITT Players had far more Pro-Bowls and All Pros and NFL Defensive, Offensive, & Rookie of the Years Players currently in the NFL, compared to none for Penn State and that is Fact too.

I hope you understand that at times we have a few Nittany Liars coming on the Lair and have problems in memories when it comes to Pitt Football Players Prowess and forgetful Penn State Players Failures. I had to remind one of them, every time he tried he cited a Penn State Player there was actually a PITT Player that exceeded Penn State Players in the NFL and Hall of Fames, past, and currently!

I wont knock any of the recent guys mentioned, Shady, Fitz, Revis or Donald. Ive watched them all play and think theyre great talents and wish they were Steelers. I even played against Donald while he was at Penn Hills so I know what he can do.

I commend you that you agree with me and acknowledge it is not a belief as I stated, unlike the Penn State Poster that thought otherwise. It is a fact, all of those Players as well as McCoy distinguished themselves with National Awards very rare to acquire, and it is recognized Pitt is right there is there with USC, ND, OSU, and Michigan but not Penn State. You can't knock it because it is the truth!

I don't understand though the point proving Penn State has more busts or Pitt has more HOFers.

Well, my first Posts did state that Pitt has produced better players for the NFL that have earned many more Honors and Records than Penn State and I attributed that to Recruits choosing PITT over Penn State because they can play right away and clearly on that one factor I am not wrong. Ypu don’t have understand it, just respect it!

Do you really think a 17 year old kid would choose Pitt over PSU because they have TWO more guys in the HOF. Or that since PSU has more busts that means they'll be a bust too. Which a few of those busts have been to injuries when in that time many people didn't come back from.

Not any more than a 17 Year Old thinking he will play better in College or NFL at Penn State because it misled him to thinking 100,000 Fans, 3,000 Summer Camps Recruits, and a Football Program built on silence, Secrecy, and Non-Compliance Cover Ups is going to make him a better Player and when it shows going to Penn State will not do it as opposed going to Pitt or ND, USC, OSU!

But the problem is many of your fans thinks so but get upset when Penn State can’t compare to the other schools, that is on Penn State Fans is it not.

Furthermore, if Penn state conditioned and maybe coached their Players better maybe they would have less injuries, not bust out of the NFL, and pass Pitt, USC, ND, and OSU in Pro Bowlers, Awards, and HOFers?

I did not post just HOFers but listed current 12 to 13 Pitt Players that have outdid and are better than the 26 to 28 Players in the NFL right now?

Therefore, you as a Penn State Fan should consider you and your coaches have misled many 17 Years Old thinking Penn State is right for them? When it is a fact it has turned out wrong for them, at least compared to Pitt and other schools doing better in putting award winning Players that last longer and paid more in the NFL versus the many 2 to 3 year PSU Players that drops out sooner with less performances?

Also, do recruits really care that guys MUCH older than them got in the hall of fame from that school when they were being coached and developed by coaches who are now retired and some even dead.

Now why did you bring up Paterno being Dead? Joe did his best in trying to pass up Quality Pitt Players put in the NFL by most Pitt Coaches still alive and especially the last 4 that were at Pitt! Joe had no athletic Integrity agreement, No Code of Athletic Conduct, No Integrity Officer, No Director of Compliance and Ethics that were all Big Ten Violations, and he still could not pass Pitt yesterday, and today in producing better players and he has been dead for less than 5 years?

Maybe Penn State Fans should consider that Paterno, Sandusky, and Spainer were misleading Recruits, Children, and Alumni all along. Why these many Penn State Players ended up Busts in the NFL and NCAA Sanctions, Criminal Charges and Education Regulations had to be addressed in 2012 and actually built the Penn State Football Program on Nittany Lies? Other Football Programs like PITT have done more with less and in compliance, without having an alumnus coach in prison and President under Indictment?

Maybe Sandusky a PSU Former Player, Professor Emeritus, and Coach that did Penn State recruiting and coaching was lying to the recruits and why they did not become better Players and Paterno allowed it?

How much different is it telling lies to entice 7 year olds to come to Penn State and 17 year olds to play at Penn State. And then when caught blamed it all on one Penn State Player, Alumnus, and Assistant Coach when Paterno was not keeping up with Pitt Players being better in the NFL without PITT lying to its recruits or having Criminals on the Coaching Staff and non-compliance with all rules and laws in silence and secrecy?

If were talking recruiting, wouldn't it make sense to look at what guys in the NFL now were coached by Franklin and his staff as well as Narduzzi and his staff.

Wait a minute, we are taking recruiting, and it was Coach Franklin that has said he wants 3 Squad Deep of 4 Star Recruits doing practices against each other, but is that lying to Recruits, that they all will play right away at Penn State? (Need A Link To Think?)

Also, Coach Narduzzzi has proven he can put 2 and 3 star Players into the NFL and been doing better than Franklin did at Vanderbilt and without lying to his Players like he had to admit under oath in a Deposition? (Need More Links To Think ?) I can post such Links!

I don't have any info to support either staff, it could swing either way. Just think that is the best way to look at it, and that kids now really don't care if one school has 8 hall of famers compared to 6

Well, I respectfully disagree and I put up Information showing PITT has put in better Recruits that turned into better Players in the NFL than Penn State the last 9 Decades and climbing without lying about Pitt Programs as Penn State was caught doing.

Now you seem to have a Coach and Coaches doing the same thing and when confronted why they do not have more Top ESPN 100 College Players than Pitt right now, or are not the Pipeline To the NFL As Picked By ESPN of Pitt, they decide they will change the subject, deny the scandals, and bring up a dead coach. Won't buy it and CULTists can't Sell it!

BTW, most of the PITT Coaches are still living that put better Players into the NFL than Paterno or O’Brien ever did.......It is not just the Football NFL Hall of Fame that Pitt still has beaten Penn State; it is the NCAA Records, NFL Records, and Awards. As well as, Penn State producing far more NFL Players Busts when those 17 years made the wrong decision to go to Penn State based in the many Nittany Lies of Paterno, Sandusky, and the Ignorance they taught Penn State Alumni and Fans!

One can correct Ignorance like I did for many Penn State Posters, but when they choose to be combine Arrogance with Ignorance and will not admit they lack information and choose to lie about other football programs, well, no one can overcome making someone dumb be smart, they have to do that on their own.

Maybe we can save one to two 17 Years from the Penn State Fans that did not know all I taught you today with facts with links.

I respect your postings PSULION11 and not calling you a CULTists, and agree and disagree where I could, and welcome you anytime to discuss other matters on PITT-PSU![/QUOTE]

 

[psulion11]

I appreciate your in depth response but you really didn't teach me anything I didn't know as far as the facts you laid out.

And the fact that you felt the need to bring up Sandusky when I was talking about guys in the NFL, NFL Hall of Fame and how the two current staffs develop guys tells me all I need to know.

That even though you sound informed and like to back up everything with facts, your just like everyone else and will never let it go. Even if two people just are tryin to talk football and the CURRENT states of both programs, it just goes back to Sandusky

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I appreciate your in depth response but you really didn't teach me anything I didn't know as far as the facts you laid out.

The Posts are up, all can read them, and you did say “you lack info”, but I linked my facts and I stand by my postings.

And the fact that you felt the need to bring up Sandusky when I was talking about guys in the NFL, NFL Hall of Fame and how the two current staffs develop guys tells me all I need to know.

To be fair, I had to respond to how Paterno and Sandusky were recruiting at Penn State and lying to 17 years olds that help build that Top Ten Attendance, Revenue, and Players in the NFL, producing Program. Even though that was later revealed to be part of the silence, secrets, and cover ups later exposed by Law Enforcement, Sanctioned By the NCAA and still under investigation for Clery/Title IX Act violations?

I mean Sandusky ran the Linebackers and then the Defense and recruited all those Linebackers to Penn State did he not, Penn State Fans cannot run away from those kind of facts?

In addition, it was in response to you bringing up Franklin and Narduzzzi as Franklin did lie to his Vanderbilt Players and certainly cannot start all his 4 Star Recruits as he promised because he only has 22 positions! I’ll link the Article that shows Franklin (And I Credit Him Greatly As A Coach & Recruiter Better Than Paterno & Sandusky Ever Did).

I just pointed out in your own response that thought my Posts was only about NFL HOFers and that Penn State right now has zero players in the ESPN Top 100 even under Franklin’s Two Years jump on Coach Pat! As well as PITT still have better Quality (Even though Fewer) NFL Players from a program smaller than Penn State?

That even though you sound informed and like to back up everything with facts, your just like everyone else and will never let it go.

First off, my Links and Facts show I am informed "not sound like I am informed"! Moreover, I will respond anytime on the Lair when some Penn State CULTists (Not You) try to slight Pitt Program and Players to spin Penn State Program and Players. I gave Links, that revealed Facts, that is better than “BWI’s Posters Kijana” attempt to put Nittany Lies upon Pitt Players and Program!

Even if two people just are tryin to talk football and the CURRENT states of both programs, it just goes back to Sandusky

I apologize if you think I did that just to bring up Sandusky, but ‘Kijana” brought up Palyers from the 1970-2014, and Pitt still out produced the Penn State Players many that were recruited and coached by Sandusky that “Kijana” forgot and Thugs with Arrests records like Johnson and Navarro, that Kijana admires and brought up! The Facts are Pitt Players played better in the NFL to date, and Donald had a better and bigger year than Navarro that got injured!

On the other and, let me say, and I have said this before while being attacked by my fellow Lair Posters, that Coach Franklin is an outstanding Coach and Recruiter and is out recruiting not just PITT, but Michigan, Wisconsin, MSU, Rutgers, UMD, UVA and about another 90 Programs.

Let me be more frank just to show you that I'm not a hard-hearted man. I admire Penn State University, Football Program due to it now being a Model of Compliance with all Rules, Laws, and Regulations and they have paid a dear price in name, money, and reputation but will and is coming back! So, I am complimenting Penn State if you feel I slighted it on Sandusky inclusion that was a big part of Penn State wins and recruiting!

Franklin is part of that come back too! So, all I am saying, when on the Lair I will and can defend Pitt and expect Penn State Fans to respect the same, and we can agree to disagree!

Most of my Posts were directed at “Kijana” with Links, Facts, and Information that refuted his lies about Pitt not you!

If this meets your approval, why not tell me, how it was playing against Donald and share it with the board in a new thread, and thank you ahead of time? You can be positive and negative without concern from me since you played him, and I accept your info on that as I expect you accept my own here!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

853-377, 6th all time, 28-15-2 in bowls(with a lot more big wins)
697-433, 13-18 in bowl games

I can recognize and respect Penn State Program and Prowess no question more wins and salute to Penn State but still less Quality Players with less Awards, Records, and Honors than Pitt!

Even with bigger rosters, walk-ons, budgets, revenues, summer camp recruits invitees, coaches salaries, and attendance, still cannot produce and exceed the great players produced by Pitt, past and current!

Additionally, Penn State did build those wins with a Coach that misused children, lied to recruits, and lied to Penn State and shamed its name!

Coach Franklin is in full compliance and recruiting at a terrific pace and will overcome the shame Paterno & Sandusky left Penn State!

Up to Pitt's Coach Pat and Michigan's Harbaugh, Dantonio MSU, and UMD and Rutgers to take on Franklin's excellence at recruiting, but Pitt and Michigan still produce the better players the last 9 Decades from their recruits that Penn State could not do!.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

This could be the year when three high-profile schools -- Miami, USC and possibly Penn State -- end their longest first-round droughts in the modern NFL Draft era. It shouldn't go unnoticed that each of those teams faced NCAA penalties and reduced scholarships in recent years.

Programs go to great lengths to promote how many players and who they send to the NFL. It's a rite of passage for teams' media guides and social media outlets to brag about NFL pipelines.

Penn State's four-year drought is tied for its longest in the modern era (1975-78).

Miami, Penn State and USC have first-world problems compared to life lower down the food chain among Power Five football programs.

Indiana running back Tevin Coleman is trying to be the Hoosiers' first Round 1 pick in 20 years. Among Power Five programs, Indiana's drought is exceeded only by Iowa State (41 years) and Duke (27 years).

Life could be worse for Miami, Penn State and USC, but they would much rather boast about recent NFL picks than reference their past.

LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...sc-look-to-end-nfl-draft-first-round-droughts

 

[pitt-girl]

I appreciate your in depth response but you really didn't teach me anything I didn't know as far as the facts you laid out.

And the fact that you felt the need to bring up Sandusky when I was talking about guys in the NFL, NFL Hall of Fame and how the two current staffs develop guys tells me all I need to know.

That even though you sound informed and like to back up everything with facts, your just like everyone else and will never let it go. Even if two people just are tryin to talk football and the CURRENT states of both programs, it just goes back to Sandusky

That is patently NOT TRUE. The Captain has had many debates on this board with PSU faithful for years before the unfortunate scandal. I'm fascinated by all the PSU visitors since the format changeover. I enjoy it. Do you find it odd that Pitt posters can never post on BWI?

 

[psulion11]

No I don't, I don't make the rules over there, I don't say who can post and who cant. I appreciate you letting us post here, but no I don't find it odd

 

[psulion11]

Yep, totally fine. I haven't been banned yet, because as ive said before I never have said anything wrong about Pitt. Apparently no one here has ever said anything wrong on BWI before, but I cant do anything about that. Do you know why you were banned meister?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I was a fan of all Three Programs (Still Am) in PITT, PSU, and WVU with latter followings of USC, MICHIGAN, and ND and posted on those Boards!I was banned back in 1998 because I question Paterno's abilities to handle the Program and follow all the rules he was not following. Looks like I was spot on too as Prophet warning Penn State was more concern about Profits and Joe wanted that record and Sue wanted Jay to be the next Head Coach.

If Paterno had retired in 1998 as I suggested he might have avoided the tainting of his Legacy and shaming of Penn State Reputation and Name. I predicted that Penn State would be tamed in the Big Ten too by Michigan, OSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin, and would cause Paterno to compete at a higher level where he would have to take short cuts on Rules and Regulations so he could beat them.

They did to Joe what Joe used to do to Eastern Independents on Ref Selection & Calls, Scheduling, and Joe no longer had advantages on recruiting camps, attendance, and revenues since OSU, UM, Wisky and Nebraska now all have the same.

On BWI, any comments on Paterno not following or even having a Big Ten Athletic Agreement & Officer with an Athletic Code of Conduct as well as The Second Mile being used in Recruiting.....all BIG Blasphemies to Penn State CULTists like the coward PennyLion. If Penn State had Concentration Camps for Posters, I would have been put in one, just like North Korea, Iran, and China where they ban you or call you mentally ill just like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot did?

The BWI Board prefers Arrogance Ignorance to thoughtful comments on Penn State Football and one cannot learn nor be educated where there is lack of open discussion.

Education can overcome Ignorance, but when combined with Arrogance, whereby one think he must NOT listen to another point of view.....well, the Penn State Football Program Scandal happen in that kind of vacuum of vacant brain damage they brought on themselves with silence, secrets, and cover-ups not allowing "ANYONE" to question them and their Program!

I was proven right again. I posted on Pitt boards just as often and one could analyze and critique Pitt. WVU never banned me; because I will only post positive aspects, that I admire about WVU, and still think it is a mistake that they were not invited to the ACC along with Rutgers. Bottom line, PITT-PSU-WVU are better together!

Yet, if one of their too much MountainBeers comes on the Lair and attempt to whip Pitt, well, I know the secrets and weaknesses of all football programs and universities that goad them into becoming a goat when behaving as one, and I am not talking Navy!

In any event, I love discussing PITT-ACC, Penn State-BIG TEN, WVU-BIG-12 Football and subjects related to College Football, and I enjoy sharing knowledge even more!

 

[pitt-girl]

Yep, totally fine. I haven't been banned yet, because as ive said before I never have said anything wrong about Pitt. Apparently no one here has ever said anything wrong on BWI before, but I cant do anything about that. Do you know why you were banned meister?

I'll just jump in and say I was banned years ago for posting directions to Champaign (my husband is an Illini grad). Honestly, that's it. I am respectful and don't talk smack here or anywhere else. So I assume it was because of my user name. There is someone on BWI who is awfully paranoid. Shame really as serious discussion often contains dissenting opinion.

 

[pittmeister]

Yep, totally fine. I haven't been banned yet, because as ive said before I never have said anything wrong about Pitt. Apparently no one here has ever said anything wrong on BWI before, but I cant do anything about that. Do you know why you were banned meister?

Yes I do.... There was a thread entitled "Shell to decide today". When Shell announced to Pitt, I wrote "Shell to Pitt"... That's it. No other comment, nothing.... Never said a derogatory thing about PSU on that post of any other. I think I posted one other time over there prior to the Shell post. The next thing you know, I got the ban hammer....