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Relatively small plus effect on Rutgers and UMD, IMHO. One PSU road game at Rutgers and Maryland every other year plus another game or two or three with traveling visitors boosting attendance, The remaining 8-9 games each year at UMD and Rutgers (OOC and weaker traveling BiG opponents) will still exhibit their accustomed anemic attendance particularly as these schools will be BiG bottom feeders.
 
When discussing Narduzzi on this board, everyone wants to give him credit for the all the success at MSU the past two years, yet when they discuss PSU/Franklin and the challenges he is going to have in the Big 10 facing OSU, MSU and UM, they act as if there isn't going to be any drop off at MSU with Narduzzi gone.
Good point, it is a tough call. One point Dantonio a Former DC won everywhere he coached and is going to continue to win now that he established his Team and now adds Top 10-20 Recruiting. He promoted Tressell and another to Co-DCs.

On the other hand, this is Coach Pat's first shot at Head Coach, but he he did not stand still and was not slow in embracing the job like Paul Chryst was at Pitt, who still had Staff vacancies after he took over months later? Coach Pat inherits a pretty good Team of Upperclassmen at least on Offense to Chryst's & Staff credit.

It is possible MSU maintain its excellence and Coach Pat & Staff does pretty good too. Yet, Dantonio and MSU are in a far better position to continue its excellence even in the cface of increased competition from Franklin's Penn State and Harbaugh's Michigan?

It is expected that Coach Pat & Staff will have the same growing pains going from Dc to head coach as most Coaches do , and it will be interesting to see how he does?
 
Shoop failed pretty badly as a head coach once before. I don't know if hes going to get a second chance, and if LSU couldn't lure him away, I don't know if any school can.
Winning at Columbia has come hard to any Coach? Shoops is making his in roads as DC so far pretty good under Franklin. He did a good job taking over last year and gave Meyer's Team fits to beat Penn State. Once the Penn State Offense gets going with a better OL, he should do even better. He certainly recruited the players he needed to make them better.
 
Jake418, post: 194127, member: 6212"]yeah okay :rolleyes::D you have no idea who beats who unless they play.....but I know one thing about the future.....look at the recruiting, pitt is headed sharply in one direction and psu is headed sharply in the other ........talent is talent in d1 football .....there are no magic "coach em up " plays that no one else knows about...penn state is well on its way back to where it once was.......is pitt?.
One of the biggest problem some Penn State Fans and by no means all, is that they still practice that old Paterno Publicity Stunt of thinking they can build up Penn State by knocking down other Programs. The Big Ten Teams & Coaches and Penn State Scandal exposed that weakness about Paterno and tamed him down by beating him and his Teams, as well as caused him to compete on a level that forced him into Non-compliance with many rules, regulations, and Laws and ruined his own Legacy and even he knew it by crying about it before he passed away!

Pitt has been in a 6 to 7 to 8 Win average for a while now and with so many Coaching Changes that wiped out 3 Recruiting Classes, including last years with 3 Different Systems, brought on by an Athletic Director who could not get along with Wannstedt and Graham Two Coaches that were their own man.

As well as, to turn to Alvarez to get some help to give Chryst a chance to become a Head coach he could not get on his own. Walt Harris and Paul Chryst were both Thinker OC's without that dynamic personality of Franklin, Wannstedt or Graham.


No question Franklin is recruiting the Horses to win and has pretty good experience in being a winning Head Coach in SEC's worse program at Vanderbilt. Add in a light schedule for now, it is hard to see him losing more than 3 or 4 games this year or next? So long as he keeps Recruiting on the Top 25, Top 15 and top 10 Level and all the Resources at his disposal and High Assistant Salaries. I agree it is hard to see how Franklin will fail at Penn State? Yet, even Paterno was struggling in his latter years and expectations are even higher now. At Penn State they expect 10 Game Winning Seasons almost every year.

Pitt on the other hand, with its mismanagement by Pederson and having to choose Coaches being a 4th or 5th prospect as few wanted to work with him, Coach Pat at least wants to be at Pitt and the New Gallagher Regime with Barnes & Narduzzi are on a new path versus the old worn out one Nordenberg-Pederson were content to maintain.

Still, with just 6 months on the job, as new and first time Head Coach, and now picking and leading his own staff, as well as known to be loved by the Players that he coached, and in the ACC that is better than the Big East, is without a doubt a challenge as you point out.

Yet, this is how Wisconsin in 1990s & Michigan State in 2000s took some time to rebuild their Progarms that have surpassed bigger programs like Penn State, Nebraska, and Michigan? It took time for UW and MSU over 3 to 4 years to build their System Programs that Pitt has designated to do the same, so Coach Pat cannot be judged anymore than Alvarez & Dantonio were until given his first 4 and 5 years?

At this time, Franklin has all the advantages that any Head Coach dreams of having and is is recruiting on the level that a Top Ten Program is expected to do, but still not winning on that level either?

Coach Pat has so much more to do and his challenge is greater, and Franklin is living up to his personality, but both have challenges to win 10+ games or more?

I can wait, watch, and see how Coach Pat does rebuild Pitt for its future just like MSU did, as well as, see if Franklin can improve and reach the level Penn State Fans expect from his great recruiting, that even Paterno could not win that much more in the Big Ten?
 
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"Oliver Luck is at the NCAA to save it from the Power Conferences from making a For Profit League "

I hope they do make it a FOR PROFIT LEAGUE, then Pitt can either go ALL IN or be amatuer with the Ivy types, no half way. One or the other.
Even the NCAA is at the cross roads on an abyss no one so far as decided will be needed, but as soon as all the Court Cases and Appeals and Congress stays on the sidelines, most Sports Lawyers see it heading that way.
 
So D'antonio isn't cheating.....ok great......that must mean that you think someone else is. So who is then and how are they cheating and what proof do you have?
Holy overeaction Batman, where do you come up with that conclusion?
If you knew anything about Michigan State, then you would know that after the departure of Duffy Dougherty, MSU languished as Uof M again ascended under Bo Schembechler. This caused a host of coaching changes (3 coaches over 10 years) as MSU struggled to fill seats and win.
Enter George Perles. Former Steeler Steel Curtain D line coach.
George brought MSU back to a level of high competitiveness...but there was a catch....MSU cheated and as a result, they were sactioned by the NCAA. Perles was cleared but the dreaded "lack of institutional control" charge levied against the university stuck.
Out goes Perles and over the course of the next 13 years MSU went 73-69 including the 34-24-1 record under a guy named Saban. meaning that MSU was 39-45 without Saban. That is called a losing record.
D'Antonio is 75-31 since taking over in 2007.
MSU has a clean record under D'Antonio and a winning record as well.
So to answer your question directly, MSU had been cheating and the proof is found in the sanctions levied by the NCAA.
Good grief man.....paranoia is not an asset.
 
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Holy overeaction Batman, where do you come up with that conclusion?
If you knew anything about Michigan State, then you would know that after the departure of Duffy Dougherty, MSU languished as Uof M again ascended under Bo Schembechler. This caused a host of coaching changes (3 coaches over 10 years) as MSU struggled to fill seats and win.
Enter George Perles. Former Steeler Steel Curtain D line coach.
George brought MSU back to a level of high competitiveness...but there was a catch....MSU cheated and as a result, they were sactioned by the NCAA. Perles was cleared but the dreaded "lack of institutional control" charge levied against the university stuck.
Out goes Perles and over the course of the next 13 years MSU went 73-69 including the 34-24-1 record under a guy named Saban. meaning that MSU was 39-45 without Saban. That is called a losing record.
D'Antonio is 75-31 since taking over in 2007.
MSU has a clean record under D'Antonio and a winning record as well.
So to answer your question directly, MSU had been cheating and the proof is found in the sanctions levied by the NCAA.
Good grief man.....paranoia is not an asset.:oops:
:cool:Saboteur nails it....The Record With Facts.....Checked.....&....Checkmate!:rolleyes:

Coach Narduzzi was part of Dantonio's MSU Climb & Organization and we shall see what he learned there and brings to Pitt? ;)

I am on record that Coach Pat will do just fine at Pitt and stay a long time!:p

I do not mind being wrong, on Coach Franklin or Coach Pat, been there before, but if Coach Narduzzi is all the current Pitt Players are excited about, this could be a nightmare for some Penn State Fans?:eek:

The same challenge Franklin has to compete against Dantonio, Meyers, and Harbaugh and Coach Pat & Staff has against Kelly, Golden, Ferentz, Johnson, Beamer, and Cutcliffe?
 
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Franklin wanting easy OCC games will cost the nits in rankings and winning against weak teams may work at Vandy, but not a supposed national type program. Compare OSU and Michigans OCC schedule and PSU is a joke. PSU always recruits well. So what? PSU had top rated classes in 1996 to 1999. They stunk the next four years.
 
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Interesting thread. My thoughts; strength of schedule will come back to bite Franklin on the behind. In the post bcs era it matters. Plus will he ever get his beloved 107k with the likes of Akron and temple? Even the zombies might start to stay home from that.

But I also don't think he is going anywhere soon. Unless he loses regularly to O$U. Then the joebots start coming out and he will echo Bill O'Brien comments upon his exit.

Why doesn't bwi permit any discussion with pitt fans but the lair allows nits galore?
 
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Because Pitt fans may question the dictator paterno!


Cult: a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

Interesting thread. My thoughts; strength of schedule will come back to bite Franklin on the behind. In the post bcs era it matters. Plus will he ever get his beloved 107k with the likes of Akron and temple? Even the zombies might start to stay home from that.

But I also don't think he is going anywhere soon. Unless he loses regularly to O$U. Then the joebots start coming out and he will echo Bill O'Brien comments upon his exit.

Why doesn't bwi permit any discussion with pitt fans but the lair allows nits galore?
 
Franklin wanting easy OCC games will cost the nits in rankings and winning against weak teams may work at Vandy, but not a supposed national type program. Compare OSU and Michigans OCC schedule and PSU is a joke. PSU always recruits well. So what? PSU had top rated classes in 1996 to 1999. They stunk the next four years.
Excellent points and Pitt OOC Schedule is certainly better this year.

I see Franklin taking Baby Steps by wanting a weaker Schedule until he settles in at Penn State. When Franklin talked about why he felt he needed such a weaker Schedule as he did at Vandy as well, he claimed it is because the Big Ten is so tough the same way be cried about SEC at Vandy?


This Article below confirms what the smarter Pitt & Penn State Posters have posted here as well as why a few Penn State Lawyers! were correct to bring up Penn State problem with Franklin wanting easy wins, but Penn State needing to fill the Stands to make money?

The way I see it, Penn State needs to increase its attendance by just 4.000 to 6,000 to 10,000 for every game, and Pitt needs to fill more than 30,000+ for their games, and one solution for both is to play each other every year.

 
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ARTICLE & LINK:
PSU's Scheduling Dilemma: Franklin Wants Easier Non-Con Opponents, But Those Could Hurt Financially If Fans Stay Home:


James Franklin wants easy wins -- or at least easier -- out of Penn State's non-conference schedule. The coach and the school, however, also want and need as close to 107,000 fans as possible at Beaver Stadium for every game to help pay all the bills. This is the scheduling conundrum, the Catch-22, that the Nittany Lions and their fans will be dealing with in the coming years.


Franklin doesn't want to schedule overly difficult opponents in the non-con because he believes if PSU has a great season and wins the Big Ten, it will be enough to merit a berth in the College Football Playoff. It won't matter, his thinking goes, if the team didn't beat a strong opponent outside the league -- and he's probably right.

"Number one, it's about winning," Franklin, in an interview with the Mirror this past week, said of his philosophy in scheduling non-conference games. "It's about giving our program and our team the best possible chance to play in the conference championship, to win the conference championship and get into the playoffs."

But what about the fans?

For a program that historically has gone toe to toe with national powers on many occasions, winning its share of games and then some, Penn State's future non-conference schedules are filled with one cupcake after another. As of now, the next marquee opponent the Lions will play won't be until a trip to Virginia Tech in 2020 (the Hokies don't come to Happy Valley until 2025).

The lone exception is Pitt. The Lions and Panthers will meet each year from 2016-19 -- there's no doubt restoring that once great rivalry will stoke the PSU fan base -- but the Panthers aren't exactly Alabama or Notre Dame, teams that have been on the schedule twice apiece in the last nine years.

Penn State's remaining non-conference games from 2016-18 include the likes of Kent State (twice), Akron, Georgia State and the traditional standby in Temple.

Getting anything close to 107,000 fans for those games would seem to be close to impossible. And for every empty seat, particularly when there are 10,000 or more of them at a given game, that's a big chunk of money slipping away.

Athletic director Sandy Barbour spoke during the Coaches Caravan stop in Altoona about Penn State athletics being a $120 million entity that probably needs to be $140 million because of all the expenses. In terms of generating revenue, though, few things the school can do bring in more money than home football games, so every empty seat is a missed financial opportunity.

"It's a balance," Barbour said of the scheduling situation. "You can't have all of one or the other. We have to protect our football program's ability to be successful. (HMNNN, THIS IS WHAT GOT SPANIER, CURLEy, AND SCHULTZ & PATERNO IN TROUBLE DID IT NOT)??

"Football scheduling is (done) so far out there (in advance)," the AD added. "You really don't have the opportunity to know necessarily spot on, OK, we're going to be a young team this year or we're going to be a little bit older, we're going to be mature on the offensive line, etc., etc. But we've got to make sure we help set up our football program for overall success."


This year's non-conference schedule is a good example of the dilemma. Penn State is coming off of the NCAA sanctions, and the program can take a big step forward by winning nine or 10 games. The schedule helps make that a possibility as the Lions are playing at Temple, then have five home games against Buffalo, Rutgers, San Diego State, Army and Indiana. (Rutgers and Indiana are Big Ten games.) Even the most diehard PSU fans might have a tough time getting excited about going to all five of those home games in successive weeks.

Then again, if the Lions win all of those and get off to a 6-0 start, which is very possible, the overall positive feelings about the program could, in many ways, make up for the revenue lost by smaller crowds. "We're absolutely going to have some folks in our non-conference schedule that we anticipate we're going to beat, that we'd better," Barbour said. "And as long as we're not loading up the whole schedule with that, I expect our fans to understand that and understand that we're putting together a schedule for success."

Fans can be fickle, though. They want to be entertained. And too much of sitting through four-touchdown wins over Kent State and Akron isn't always entertaining. Franklin discussed the challenges that Penn State -- and all sports really -- has when it comes to competing with the big-screen TV that fans have at home.

"There's nothing like going to a game in person," he said. "But with these massive screens that people have in their basement, the HD and things like that, there's more competition in getting people into the stadium than ever. "I believe that winning is going to drive ticket sales," Franklin added. "People want to leave the stadium feeling great about what happened."

When it comes to the ultimate goal of competing for Big Ten championships and trying to get into the College Football Playoff, Franklin would seem to have a bulletproof case with his strategy.
Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech last season and still made it to the playoff, then won the national title. The Buckeyes not only fell to a mediocre Hokies team, their best non-conference win came against a Cincinnati team that finished 9-4.

"Last year is a great example that if you handle your business and do what you're supposed to do within the conference, you've got a great chance to make the playoffs and then compete," Franklin said. "That was last year, when all the conversations about the Big Ten weren't real favorable. And to think about how the reputation and the perception of the Big Ten has changed in a year, it's 180 degrees."

The league certainly is considered much stronger now, and Penn State plays in a division along with Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State that could become the toughest in all of college football. Couple that with the fact that in 2016, the Big Ten is going to a nine-game league schedule, leaving only three non-conference games. "You always want to listen to your fans and have an understanding," Franklin said. "But again, the fans remembering the out-of-conference games that we played when were in a seven-game (conference) schedule or we were in an eight-game schedule is completely different than when we're in a nine-game schedule."

Given that, it does makes sense, from the College Football Playoff goal perspective, for Penn State not to challenge itself too much in in the shortened non-conference slate and just take its chances in the Big Ten. "From a football coaching perspective -- if I try to put my best football coaching hat on -- I think a reasonable person could completely understand the way you would put together the schedule strictly looking at the competitive cycles and getting into the College Football Playoff," Barbour said. Still, that's just one perspective. And as optimistic as Franklin and Penn State want to be about getting into the College Football Playoff at some point, the reality is that will be very difficult to do with any consistency because of their division.

The counter argument would be that far more often than not, Penn State will not be in the College Football Playoff, and it will have given up the chance to make more money because it scheduled so many weaker teams in the non-conference. Barbour said she has the ultimate say in football scheduling, but she doesn't take a heavy-handed approach to it. She gathers information from Franklin and others, and they come up with a collective decision.

Attendance & Future Schedules At Link:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/b...could-hurt-financially-if-fans-stay-home.html
 
Not sure how the B1G would be considered weak but that's fine. Wisky, Iowa and Nebraska don't really matter to PSU since they are on the other side.

I'm not ready to hang Franklin out to dry just yet. We'll see how the offense improves this year and take it from there.

The Big Arithmetic Error has been weak. Real weak. Until this past year. Now, it is looking like it is on the upswing.

1) Ohio State, always good, with Urban Meyer, now great and maybe supplanting Alabama. Ohio is a loaded state and they own Ohio.
2) Michigan State has been really good under D'Antonio and has a great (NFL 1st rd) guy at QB. Should be really good again this year.
3) PSU. Sleeping giant, free from sanctions, great recruiter, tailor made scheduling, should be back to being at least a top 15 team soon.
4) Michigan. I mean it is MICHIGAN. How they turned into a trainwreck is beyong me. Harbaugh should have them back in serious contention in no time.
5) Nebraska. Will never, ever be back to what it was. Never. But they can still be a consistent top 20 team. But the days of residing in the top 10 are done.
6) Wisconsin. Has been really good since Alvarez has been there. Will be tested now with Coach Moose Lodge at the helm.
7) Iowa The Ferentz watch has to be high. Program may need new energy. Iowa is not a desireable or sustainable location for recruiting.
8) Maryland and Rutgers always has chances, good recruiting locations, but I would guess in that division they are capped as far as how good they can be.

The Western division of the Big 10 is not good. The Eastern Division should be real good for the foreseeable future.
 
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"Slick Manager of Champs, post: 194451,.....Why doesn't bwi permit any discussion with pitt fans but the lair allows nits galore?

Pitt Fans can handle the truth about Pitt Football Program good, bad, and ugly and enjoy discussing College Football with other Posters that are smart enough to exchange good information.

Yet, some PSU Fans & Posters on BWI Boards, can't handle the truth about Penn State Football Program unlike the ones that come on the Lair! Just my opinion!


In either case, we discuss good info here!
 
Yeah, I don't see Franklin ever leaving for the NFL. He's not that type of personality. Could he go back to the SEC if a premier program comes after him? Yeah, that I could see, but not the NFL.

I don't believe a word any of these guys ever says, but so far he is saying all the right things.

And the guy who said that JF doesn't fit in culturally is dead wrong. He's been fully embraced with open arms. That is the least of any issues.
The only job Franklin could get in the NFL is the ballboy who deflates the football.
 
"Recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 194523, member: 2328"].....The Big Arithmetic Error has been weak. Real weak. Until this past year. Now, it is looking like it is on the upswing.
1) Ohio State, always good, with Urban Meyer, now great and maybe supplanting Alabama. Ohio is a loaded state and they own Ohio.
:)Agree!

2) Michigan State has been really good under D'Antonio and has a great (NFL 1st rd) guy at QB. Should be really good again this year.
:cool:Top 25 now & Top 10 Recruiting this year too? Hard to beat!

3) PSU. Sleeping giant, free from sanctions, great recruiter, tailor made scheduling, should be back to being at least a top 15 team soon.
:oops:Paterno did not handle the Big Ten as much as the Big Ten did handled Paterno, this is Franklin's Challenge & why he went to weak OOC?

4) Michigan. I mean it is MICHIGAN. How they turned into a trainwreck is beyong me. Harbaugh should have them back in serious contention in no time.
:eek:Harbaugh with be a Tough Shave to handle for MSU & OSU too! Franklin will have the Recruits that turn into Players to compete with OSU, MSU, & Big Blue, but Franklin will have to prove he can beat Meyers, Dantonio, and Harbaugh and until he does, unlike last year, that is his challenge. Failure to do so will end his tenure at PSU after 5 to 7 years even if he wins 8 to 10 games with a weak OOC with great recruiting?

5) Nebraska. Will never, ever be back to what it was. Never. But they can still be a consistent top 20 team. But the days of residing in the top 10 are done.
:eek:Pederson's Poison Remnants still there too, A Top 10 Program in Wins but they are still in transition in the Big Ten, cannot see them coming back just like you, until they find a Great Coach? Nebraska joined the Big Ten because they can grab Unlimited NCAA Non-Qualifier and that maintains their Walk On Program and ability to have as many as 180 to 200 Player Rosters. The Big-12 and Texas insisted Nebraska obey the Big-12 NCAA Rules that limited Non-Qualifiers that fail to earn a 2.0 or minimum SAT Score? The Big Ten Rules that if any Football Program NCAA Non-Qualifier redshirts his first year but proves he can do college courses, they can take all they want, and those Players can practice, condition, and be tutored just like any Team Member, just cannot play in games.

6) Wisconsin. Has been really good since Alvarez has been there. Will be tested now with Coach Moose Lodge at the helm.
:oops:So long as Alavrez is there to help Chryst the Wisky System Program will survive and thrive, and if it doesn't Chryst will be gone or demoted! They have been the most consistent in winning 10 Games just behind Ohio State these last 15 years?

7) Iowa The Ferentz watch has to be high. Program may need new energy. Iowa is not a desireable or sustainable location for recruiting.
:mad:The 17 Year Ferentz Tenure is almost over and the long Honeymoon is gone for sure. The Iowa Board show it!

8) Maryland and Rutgers always has chances, good recruiting locations, but I would guess in that division they are capped as far as how good they can be.
o_OBoth need Great Coaches to just keep their recruits in their State and if they ever find one, they can do it. Maryland promised Franklin the job but wanted him to wait 3 years, he said no, moved to Vandy! UMD could have had Franklin!

:confused:If Rutgers can just keep half of its Top Recruits in New Jersey they can win in the Big Ten, but Franklin has done great in NJ, MD, and PA!

The Western division of the Big 10 is not good. The Eastern Division should be real good for the foreseeable future.
;)Not sure about that anymore.

:confused:Indiana is finally funding all 85 scholarships with Big Ten Money! They still have a long way to go but they give Team at least games now?

:(Purdue is hurting big time and looks like rebuilding is still needed again.

Other Big Ten Programs:


:rolleyes:Minnesota is doing much better under their Coach these days.

o_ONorthwestern still has a good Coach that knows how to teach his Players how to execute on Game Day!


:eek:Illinois is stuck in rebuilding like Purdue!

The Big Ten is just fine in making money and I think is coming back on the mend, but still behind SEC as all Conferences. Yet, I see the Big Ten still ahead of the ACC, Big-12, and Pac-12 until USC is fully back!
 
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Because Pitt fans may question the dictator paterno!


Cult: a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
If OSU, MSU, and UM are as good as everyone on this board thinks they will be, PSU doesn't need a strong out of conference schedule. The only time out of conference schedule really becomes an issue is with the playoff committee and last year proved even they don't really care. OSU's best out of conference win was against Cincinnati and they still got in. Analysts and fans talk about weak non-conference schedules being a problem, but the historically, if you can get 2-3 good wins that is enough, and in the Big Ten East, you have MSU, OSU and UM and possibly Wisconsin or Nebraska if they win their division. That gives them potentially 4 quality wins which would easily be enough to get them into the playoff. YOu could argue OSU only had one quality win (MSU) and they still got in, so those of you that think PSU will somehow be hurt by not playing a tougher OOC schedule, there just isn't a lot of proof of that being the case.
 
Is George Mitchell still babysitting your school?

If OSU, MSU, and UM are as good as everyone on this board thinks they will be, PSU doesn't need a strong out of conference schedule. The only time out of conference schedule really becomes an issue is with the playoff committee and last year proved even they don't really care. OSU's best out of conference win was against Cincinnati and they still got in. Analysts and fans talk about weak non-conference schedules being a problem, but the historically, if you can get 2-3 good wins that is enough, and in the Big Ten East, you have MSU, OSU and UM and possibly Wisconsin or Nebraska if they win their division. That gives them potentially 4 quality wins which would easily be enough to get them into the playoff. YOu could argue OSU only had one quality win (MSU) and they still got in, so those of you that think PSU will somehow be hurt by not playing a tougher OOC schedule, there just isn't a lot of proof of that being the case.
 
Nope, Mitchell's gone. Been gone since they lifted the sanctions.
Penn State still has a NCAA Monitor Link costing $3 million a year:

The former senator, who has served as the university’s independent monitor since his appointment by the NCAA in 2012 after historic sanctions in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal, announced Friday he will step down. He named Charles Scheeler, senior counsel at Mitchell’s law firm, DLA Piper, and lead member of the monitoring team, to take his place.

Mitchell’s oversight was in place to ensure Penn State’s cooperation with the athletics integrity agreement between the university, the NCAA and the Big Ten Conference.

Penn State trustee Anthony Lubrano continued to express his displeasure at the need for a monitor and the associated expenses.

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Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2015/02/27/4624972/george-mitchell-steps-down-as.html#storylink=cpy
 
Integrity monitor details continued progress in new quarterly report
May 29, 2015

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Penn State is continuing to successfully undertake and implement initiatives launched in response to the recommendations of the Freeh Report, according to the 11th quarterly report tracking Penn State's progress in meeting the goals of the Athletics Integrity Agreement (AIA) signed by Penn State, the NCAA and the Big Ten Conference. The complete text of the report, including information about actions Penn State has taken, is available here.

The report is the first issued since the appointment of Charles P. Scheeler as independent monitor. Sen. George Mitchell, who was named in 2012 by the NCAA as the independent monitor for Penn State to oversee the AIA, announced in February his withdrawal from the position for personal reasons unrelated to the University. Scheeler had served as Mitchell’s principal assistant and lead member of the monitoring team.

Scheeler continues Mitchell’s previous responsibility of providing quarterly updates to the University and general public on Penn State’s compliance with the agreement.


"During this reporting period Penn State continued to fulfill its obligations under the AIA and to follow through with efforts undertaken in support of the University’s plan for continuous improvement," Scheeler said in the new report.

During the past quarter, Scheeler’s team made multiple visits to Penn State’s University Park campus to meet with a wide array of University administrators and other leaders, and several councils and working groups.

Among activities reviewed by Scheeler during this reporting quarter:

- Ethics Specialist Tim Balliett conducted 46 meetings with students, faculty and staff to publicize and receive further feedback on the draft statement of core values. University Ethics and Compliance also received feedback online at values.psu.edu and Balliett worked with Student Affairs to begin incorporating the values into New Student Orientation programs.

Additionally, Balliett prepared unit-specific reports on data received from the values and culture survey and began meeting with units to review analysis and discuss strategies to implement in response to identified issues.

- The University continued implementation of a process for completing background checks required for employees who have routine interaction with minors. Following the first phase of background checks for individuals who most clearly meet the statutory requirement, background checks began in April for business and auxiliary staff who support summer youth programs.

Youth Programs Compliance Specialist Sandy Weaver has conducted training sessions with more than 600 individuals in 37 units to educate them about rationale of changes to Pennsylvania child protection laws, pertinent provisions and resulting changes to Penn State processes. Weaver also tracked and reported the number of youth protection reports received so far this year, an increase over last year. Scheeler said this suggests “improved awareness and usage of the reporting process.”

- In a March report to the Board of Trustees Committee on Legal and Compliance, Director of Ethics and Compliance Regis Becker reviewed the Athletics Compliance Office’s roles and responsibilities. He also reviewed NCAA secondary violations statistics from 2001-14, which have increased coinciding with growth of the office. He noted the office received 600 requests for rules interpretations between September and February.

- More than 15,000 employees and volunteers have taken the revised “Reporting Child Abuse” training since Jan. 1, more than double the number who completed the training during the same period in 2014.

- Ethics and Compliance has undertaken several projects recommended in the Task Force on Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment report including employee training on sexual misconduct; determining employee designations for reporting purposes; developing training for advocates, clinicians and others working with sexual misconduct victims; and implementing a new universal hotline for all misconduct.

Also in response to the task force report, the Office of Student Affairs began a national search for a Title IX coordinator and is seeking an educational coordinator and bystander intervention program coordinator. The University piloted a climate survey at five campuses to better understand the scope of sexual misconduct issues, and is analyzing resources needed to support services at Commonwealth Campuses.

- Former Penn State Police officer and detective Spencer Peters joined the Office of Student Conduct as a full-time investigator. His previous experience specialized in cases of sexual assault and harassment and he will investigate those cases and others involving potential criminality.

Student Conduct also piloted a new investigative model, similar to that endorsed by the White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault.

- Following an internal administrative review, Timothy Mercer was named interim assistant vice president for police and public safety and the University plans to reorganize Penn State Police along traditional hierarchical line with clear responsibilities.

- Accenture was selected to assist in the configuration of a new human resources information system, and the University continued efforts to enhance security at athletics and recreational facilities.

- Athletics Integrity Officer Julie Del Giorno reported nearly all required individuals had completed annual athletics compliance training ahead of the June 30 deadline. She provided ethical awareness, leadership and NCAA rules education to groups within and outside Intercollegiate Athletics

Del Giorno said she received 15 complaints during this reporting period. Nine have been investigated with action taken; five are under investigation and one was determined to have no merit.

Scheeler’s team observed other relevant events during the reporting period including the formal reorganization of the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics; numerous student-athlete academic achievements; and that, following NCAA approval of a cost of attendance stipend, Penn State will offer stipends of up to $4,788 per student annually.

Scheeler’s team continued to monitor relevant lawsuits and legal proceedings involving the University, as well as governance activities.

“In the coming quarter, we will continue to monitor the implementation of the changes to Penn State’s policies procedures, and training related to child protection and background check obligations,” Scheeler wrote. “We also will continue to observe Penn State’s efforts to finalize and socialize the Penn State values, develop an ethical decision-making model, implement the recommendations of the Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment Task Force, construct the HRIS and uphold Penn State’s obligations under the AIA.”

The next report will be the monitor’s third annual report. In the second annual report, Mitchell said that should the University continue its progress in the third year, he would consider recommending the NCAA and Big Ten conclude the monitorship earlier than scheduled. Scheeler said that would be addressed in the coming report.

http://news.psu.edu/story/359157/20...itor-details-continued-progress-new-quarterly
 
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Is George Mitchell still babysitting your school?
Too funny!
OSU lost to VTech....they didn't lose to UC. Losing to a P5 team is no shame, but losing to a non P5 is deadly, even with VTech in a down cycle.
Likewise, I don't see PSU beating all 3 of the powers in their division. That is because they play 2 of them away every other year. As for the off year, has anyone looked at OSU's record in Sappy Valley? They win there half the time.
I sense PSU needs the strong OCC game to offset a conference loss even if they win the Big 12/Ten and get to the conference game.
But I get your point and it could work.....I just don't see too many undefated teams coming down the aisle in the future.
 
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My man, you are way too hung up on SOS. We have PITT for the next two years and then VT. You play freakin' YSU this year.
My man.......We also play Iowa, one of YOUR almighty teams, and Notre Dame OOC this year. Either of those 2 are stronger/better than ANYONE on your OOC schedule this year (Temple, Buffalo, SD State & Army--that is totally laughable).
 
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Integrity monitor details continued progress in new quarterly report
May 29, 2015

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Penn State is continuing to successfully undertake and implement initiatives launched in response to the recommendations of the Freeh Report, according to the 11th quarterly report tracking Penn State's progress in meeting the goals of the Athletics Integrity Agreement (AIA) signed by Penn State, the NCAA and the Big Ten Conference. The complete text of the report, including information about actions Penn State has taken, is available here.

The report is the first issued since the appointment of Charles P. Scheeler as independent monitor. Sen. George Mitchell, who was named in 2012 by the NCAA as the independent monitor for Penn State to oversee the AIA, announced in February his withdrawal from the position for personal reasons unrelated to the University. Scheeler had served as Mitchell’s principal assistant and lead member of the monitoring team.

Scheeler continues Mitchell’s previous responsibility of providing quarterly updates to the University and general public on Penn State’s compliance with the agreement.


"During this reporting period Penn State continued to fulfill its obligations under the AIA and to follow through with efforts undertaken in support of the University’s plan for continuous improvement," Scheeler said in the new report.

During the past quarter, Scheeler’s team made multiple visits to Penn State’s University Park campus to meet with a wide array of University administrators and other leaders, and several councils and working groups.

Among activities reviewed by Scheeler during this reporting quarter:

- Ethics Specialist Tim Balliett conducted 46 meetings with students, faculty and staff to publicize and receive further feedback on the draft statement of core values. University Ethics and Compliance also received feedback online at values.psu.edu and Balliett worked with Student Affairs to begin incorporating the values into New Student Orientation programs.

Additionally, Balliett prepared unit-specific reports on data received from the values and culture survey and began meeting with units to review analysis and discuss strategies to implement in response to identified issues.

- The University continued implementation of a process for completing background checks required for employees who have routine interaction with minors. Following the first phase of background checks for individuals who most clearly meet the statutory requirement, background checks began in April for business and auxiliary staff who support summer youth programs.

Youth Programs Compliance Specialist Sandy Weaver has conducted training sessions with more than 600 individuals in 37 units to educate them about rationale of changes to Pennsylvania child protection laws, pertinent provisions and resulting changes to Penn State processes. Weaver also tracked and reported the number of youth protection reports received so far this year, an increase over last year. Scheeler said this suggests “improved awareness and usage of the reporting process.”

- In a March report to the Board of Trustees Committee on Legal and Compliance, Director of Ethics and Compliance Regis Becker reviewed the Athletics Compliance Office’s roles and responsibilities. He also reviewed NCAA secondary violations statistics from 2001-14, which have increased coinciding with growth of the office. He noted the office received 600 requests for rules interpretations between September and February.

- More than 15,000 employees and volunteers have taken the revised “Reporting Child Abuse” training since Jan. 1, more than double the number who completed the training during the same period in 2014.

- Ethics and Compliance has undertaken several projects recommended in the Task Force on Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment report including employee training on sexual misconduct; determining employee designations for reporting purposes; developing training for advocates, clinicians and others working with sexual misconduct victims; and implementing a new universal hotline for all misconduct.

Also in response to the task force report, the Office of Student Affairs began a national search for a Title IX coordinator and is seeking an educational coordinator and bystander intervention program coordinator. The University piloted a climate survey at five campuses to better understand the scope of sexual misconduct issues, and is analyzing resources needed to support services at Commonwealth Campuses.

- Former Penn State Police officer and detective Spencer Peters joined the Office of Student Conduct as a full-time investigator. His previous experience specialized in cases of sexual assault and harassment and he will investigate those cases and others involving potential criminality.

Student Conduct also piloted a new investigative model, similar to that endorsed by the White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault.

- Following an internal administrative review, Timothy Mercer was named interim assistant vice president for police and public safety and the University plans to reorganize Penn State Police along traditional hierarchical line with clear responsibilities.

- Accenture was selected to assist in the configuration of a new human resources information system, and the University continued efforts to enhance security at athletics and recreational facilities.

- Athletics Integrity Officer Julie Del Giorno reported nearly all required individuals had completed annual athletics compliance training ahead of the June 30 deadline. She provided ethical awareness, leadership and NCAA rules education to groups within and outside Intercollegiate Athletics

Del Giorno said she received 15 complaints during this reporting period. Nine have been investigated with action taken; five are under investigation and one was determined to have no merit.

Scheeler’s team observed other relevant events during the reporting period including the formal reorganization of the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics; numerous student-athlete academic achievements; and that, following NCAA approval of a cost of attendance stipend, Penn State will offer stipends of up to $4,788 per student annually.

Scheeler’s team continued to monitor relevant lawsuits and legal proceedings involving the University, as well as governance activities.

“In the coming quarter, we will continue to monitor the implementation of the changes to Penn State’s policies procedures, and training related to child protection and background check obligations,” Scheeler wrote. “We also will continue to observe Penn State’s efforts to finalize and socialize the Penn State values, develop an ethical decision-making model, implement the recommendations of the Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment Task Force, construct the HRIS and uphold Penn State’s obligations under the AIA.”

The next report will be the monitor’s third annual report. In the second annual report, Mitchell said that should the University continue its progress in the third year, he would consider recommending the NCAA and Big Ten conclude the monitorship earlier than scheduled. Scheeler said that would be addressed in the coming report.

http://news.psu.edu/story/359157/20...itor-details-continued-progress-new-quarterly
Captain, you will note that many of these items are university wide, and not athletics specific. But my question is, does Pitt (or any other school, for that matter) do all of the same things? If not, why not?
 
Ya know Cap



People run a lot of crap on Harbaugh, and yet he wins where ever he goes, is considered in the top 5 of all current coaches(pro or college), the kids are buying in according to recruiting, and his work ethic is 2nd to none.



And people worry about his interviews?



They better be concerned about how long he stays. The word is that his folks are having a new house built in AA. Thus it looks like he will be staying long term. His choice was as much about coaching Michigan as raising his kids somewhere nice.


The only coach I see keeping up with Harbs is Meyer, and Ohio has better local talent so it gives them a leg up. Dantonio has already had one heart attack after the ND game, and I am sure Jim will find a way to get under his skin. I don't expect MSU to keep their perch. I was 40 yrs old before they had a good run. Sparty is well over due to Spart it up.


And as far as Franklin....I think minus his DC he is another Hoke. Great recruiter, and not much else. I guess you can say he wears a headphone so he isnt totally oblivious. The game is at home for them this year, and unsure how it will play out. I do know this though.....with our all star coaching staff, I will always feel we have a shot from now on.


Something I haven't been confident about in yrs. There at the end of the Hoke regime it was pretty sad to not feel your team even had a punchers chance. Sheesh
 
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"BlueBand, post: 198951, member: 5962"]Captain, you will note that many of these items are university wide, and not athletics specific. But my question is, does Pitt (or any other school, for that matter) do all of the same things? If not, why not?
Sure these are University Wide but It includes Athletics in Big Ten Conference and Penn State as an University was not doing any them until 2012 and that was found out by Freeh and Freeh recommended them, and it shows Penn State made sure they were implemented but not until 2012?

Yes, every Big Ten School had an Athletic Integrity Agreement & Officer but not Penn State until 2012 and Paternon did not care and neither did Spanier, Curley, or Schultz?

The DOJ is investigating many schools on Title IX but Penn State in particular.

Today, Penn state is in full compliance since 2012 and other Schools have followed many of the rules too, but Penn state was not doing a thing until 2012.

As for Pitt so far Pitt has not been charged in the violations of these Compliance Issues like Penn State was found out to be until 2012.

 
["Aged_Wolverine, post: 200118, member: 2694"]Ya know Cap, People run a lot of crap on Harbaugh, and yet he wins where ever he goes, is considered in the top 5 of all current coaches(pro or college), the kids are buying in according to recruiting, and his work ethic is 2nd to none.
I agree and many people do not like the Harbaugh's but they are Great Coaches, and were Great Michigan Players too, and so was the Father! I very much respect them all, and their records speak for themselves and more. The one thing about winning football games you cannot hide if they win them, and if they lose, you stay a coach after so long either.


And people worry about his interviews? They better be concerned about how long he stays. The word is that his folks are having a new house built in AA. Thus it looks like he will be staying long term. His choice was as much about coaching Michigan as raising his kids somewhere nice.
I think he stays a long time and I think Meyer's is worried about him too, and if anyone leaves before Harbaugh it could be Meyers. We shall see? In any event, get ready for some Michigan Football coming back big time under Harbaugh.

The only coach I see keeping up with Harbs is Meyer, and Ohio has better local talent so it gives them a leg up. Dantonio has already had one heart attack after the ND game, and I am sure Jim will find a way to get under his skin. I don't expect MSU to keep their perch. I was 40 yrs old before they had a good run. Sparty is well over due to Spart it up.
I agree again, and even Meyer's will lose some to Harbaugh. It is my opinion, like Tressell that targeted the Michigan Game, Harbaugh is targeting the OSU game. Dantonio's MSU, Franklin's PSU, NU, Wisky, Iowa, all have their work out cut out to beat OSU and i would add Michigan Big Blue to that lists starting this year.

I am on record he will win 10 games this year, and I admit now i might be wrong, but I still think he will turn it around and win at least 8 to 10 games this year and standing by my 10 games prediction.

And as far as Franklin....I think minus his DC he is another Hoke. Great recruiter, and not much else. I guess you can say he wears a headphone so he isnt totally oblivious. The game is at home for them this year, and unsure how it will play out. I do know this though.....with our all star coaching staff, I will always feel we have a shot from now on.
Again, I differ and could be very wrong. I still think Franklin recruits a pretty good staff and has all the resources to win 10 games too especially with his light schedules designed to do just that, but we shall see?

However, I do not see Franklin beating OSU, Michigan and MSU very often either!

On Dantonio, I think he is a terrific Coach and if Meyer's ever left OSu he would replace him and do a great job too. Then I would worry Narduzzi going back to MSU. Yet, maybe not if MSU Datonio stays there another 5 years. Once Narduzzi wins at Pitt and re-establishes the pitt program and that is still a "if" too, I see Coach Pat staying pat at Pitt! YSU President Tressell too, I might add?

Something I haven't been confident about in yrs. There at the end of the Hoke regime it was pretty sad to not feel your team even had a punchers chance. Sheesh.
Never cared for Hoke, never thought he should have been Big Blue's Head Coach, and CoachRod disappointed me big time at Michigan too. I always thought Les Miles would return. But Harbaugh stood up instead and I think Michigan is better off too.

Harbaugh is all Michigan Big Blue and will bring Michigan back too and very soon!

MSU & WISKY can maintain System Prograsm of 9 to 10 wins, whether Franklin can do it at Penn State is an "IF" too, just my opinions. I think he will but still an "IF" until we see it?
 
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"BlueBand, post: 198951, member: 5962"]Captain, you will note that many of these items are university wide, and not athletics specific. But my question is, does Pitt (or any other school, for that matter) do all of the same things? If not, why not?
Sure these are University Wide but It includes Athletics in Big Ten Conference and Penn State as an University was not doing any them until 2012 and that was found out by Freeh and Freeh recommended them, and it shows Penn State made sure they were implemented but not until 2012?

Yes, every Big Ten School had an Athletic Integrity Agreement & Officer but not Penn State until 2012 and Paternon did not care and neither did Spanier, Curley, or Schultz?

The DOJ is investigating many schools on Title IX but Penn State in particular.

Today, Penn state is in full compliance since 2012 and other Schools have followed many of the rules too, but Penn state was not doing a thing until 2012.

As for Pitt so far Pitt has not been charged in the violations of these Compliance Issues like Penn State was found out to be until 2012.
Ummmm... where do I start? You say every B1G school had an AIA and Officer except PSU? Really? Point me to Ohio State's AIA. Or Michigan's.

You say "so far Pitt has not been charged in the violations..." So, does that mean you expect Pitt to be charged in the future? LOL Or is that an excuse for not doing the same things PSU is doing? What I'm getting at is, is PSU going above and beyond now, or are they doing what everyone else is doing?
 
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"BlueBand, post: 200160, member: 5962"]Ummmm... where do I start? You say every B1G school had an AIA and Officer except PSU? Really? Point me to Ohio State's AIA. Or Michigan's.
Sorry, this is your problem and use that education of that you lack to see that all Big Ten Schools had to have AIA, but Penn State under Paterno and previous President never put one in after 1993. This is why the Big Ten gave Bowl Sanctions. Go look at the Article above and ask why the NCAA is still having a Monitor that Reports on Penn State AIA and AIA Officer that was a big part of interviewing Franklin before he was selected? Additionally, Paterno had No Athletic Code Of Conduct for his Players and insisted only he could discipline his Players??? If you don't know these things that is your Brain Pain, and go educate yourself?

You say "so far Pitt has not been charged in the violations..." So, does that mean you expect Pitt to be charged in the future?
No, you prove Pitt made the same violations and that is something you need to prove. The NCAA Monitor has proven Penn State did not comply and you should be only Laughing Out Loud on your own School that still has the NCAA Monitor? Again, that is Penn State's Name that was shamed and violated your own Alma Mater Song?

Typical Penn Stater trying to put the blame on others when Penn State was caught not following all the Rules, Compliance's and Laws? Nice try, but go read the Article above and get an education to teach yourself what you did not know?


LOL Or is that an excuse for not doing the same things PSU is doing?
I credit and salute Penn State for now having one of the Best Compliance Programs in the Nation and why they led with highest Crime Reports. Penn State under the NCAA Monitor corrected what was no being practiced, complied with, and had to hire a Director of Ethics and Athletic Integrity Officer until 2012! The NCAA Monitor has also stated that Penn State did a fine job in implementing these Compliance's, Laws, and Policies. Yet, why were they violating them until 2012?

What I'm getting at is, is PSU going above and beyond now, or are they doing what everyone else is doing?
Yes, and now ask yourself why it was below until 2012 and under Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno and put the blame on Penn State not other Big Ten or Pitt?

I have no problem with you being proud that Penn state is doing what all schools were doing, and I accept that with salutations.

At the same time, ask yourself what took so long and this is what brought shame to Penn State's name, not another school?


Look it is almost over, the NCAA Monitor has said it may not be necessary to remain at Penn State after this year that is costing Penn State $3 million Year.

Moreover, credit James Franklin and Bill O'Brien that had to obey all the Rules, Compliance's, Regulations, and Laws that Paterno was ignoring and also ruined his legacy as deserved.


What is really funny and something to laugh about is why some of the Penn State Fans seem to take joy in scandals of other football Programs, and know so little of their own scandals, involving coaches, employees, and university not follwing the rules for over 20 years or more?
 
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My coworker's son is starting engineering at PSU Main in the fall. Told me Friday they hit him up for buying season tix as a family...wanted donation plus tickets...4 of them for $1,900...does that sound 107K strong to you?
 
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107k strongarmed

BTW….cults don’t just run themselves, they need $$$

My coworker's son is starting engineering at PSU Main in the fall. Told me Friday they hit him up for buying season tix as a family...wanted donation plus tickets...4 of them for $1,900...does that sound 107K strong to you?[/QUOTE]
 
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"BlueBand, post: 200160, member: 5962"]Ummmm... where do I start? You say every B1G school had an AIA and Officer except PSU? Really? Point me to Ohio State's AIA. Or Michigan's.
Sorry, this is your problem and use that education of that you lack to see that all Big Ten Schools had to have AIA, but Penn State under Paterno and previous President never put one in after 1993. This is why the Big Ten gave Bowl Sanctions. Go look at the Article above and ask why the NCAA is still having a Monitor that Reports on Penn State AIA and AIA Officer that was a big part of interviewing Franklin before he was selected? Additionally, Paterno had No Athletic Code Of Conduct for his Players and insisted only he could discipline his Players??? If you don't know these things that is your Brain Pain, and go educate yourself?
Captain, I don't mind having rational discussions, but I also like to get the facts correct. Twice now you've said that all B1G schools had to have an AIA, but Penn State never did until 2012. That is blatantly false and misleading.

The AIA (Athletics Integrity Agreement) is an agreement between the NCAA, Penn State and Big Ten that came from the consent decree. It is specific to the situation at Penn State arising from the Sandusky mess. It can be viewed at http://www.psu.edu/ur/2012/Athletics_Integrity_Agreement.pdf

The AIA is a temporary agreement (as stated on Page 1). If all schools had one, why would it be temporary? Also on Page 1 it states that the agreement is being entered pursuant to the consent decree. This is not something all conference schools have, it is specific to Penn State.

The AIA calls for an Athletic Integrity Officer (AIO) to be hired (Page 2). This is a temporary position, lasting the duration of the AIA (although the university may choose to continue it). The AIO provides an additional and independent level of oversight with compliance issues. There is also an Athletics Integrity Monitor (AIM), in this case George Mitchell, who writes the reports and oversees everything.

Now, what you seem to be implying is that Penn State did not have anyone working in compliance prior to the AIA. Not true. In fact, the AIA addresses this on Page 8, where it refers to the Associate Athletic Director for Compliance and Student Athlete Services. It states that this individual will remain the primary person responsible for compliance issues, handbook and rules issues, etc, just as they always had been. I'm guessing this is what you are referring to... yes, I would think all schools have an equivalent position, just as Penn State has had for years.

As I stated earlier, the AIO is adding a temporary layer on top of the existing system, another set of eyes, to make sure everything is being handled correctly. So far, it has been, as evidenced by the glowing reports that have come from Mitchell, which have been partially responsible for the sanctions reductions. Penn State, in utilizing the AIO, is going above and beyond other schools (not necessarily a bad thing) to ensure compliance. They are not being forced into compliance--they already were.

As I just stated, outside of possible Cleary Act issues which is a university wide issue, not just athletics, Penn State was otherwise in compliance prior to the AIA. The Freeh Report made a number of recommendations to improve reporting, policies and procedures. However, it did not state that Penn State was not in compliance with NCAA and Big Ten rules--in fact, even with the Sandusky mess, no rules were violated. Penn State was not charged with violating any NCAA rules, you can look it up.

All schools report secondary violations, and the NCAA doesn't penalize schools for them (this is a whole other discussion we could have). In fact, the NCAA looks upon reporting such secondary violations as the sign of a healthy compliance program. Prior to the AIA, Penn State reported secondary rules violations just like every other school. Nothing has changed, other than a so far one year increase in the number of secondary violations.

As for Paterno and discipline... he felt he knew best how to handle it, and would have preferred to handle it within the program. That said, players were still subject to discipline through the Office of Student Affairs.

I'm all ears if you can correct me, but I've given you facts and referred you back to the AIA to back them up.
 
Yes, Paterno handled problems internally, like having academic tutors complete athlete academic work (and firing those that wouldn't comply), having inappropriate benefits funneled to players, blackballing people that didn't fall in line with his mandates (players, staff, and media), covering up player crimes where he could even to the point of forcing out the head of student affairs that dared to try to extend an acceptable standard of conduct to football players...and of course, covering up decades of child rape to protect the image of his football program.

How pathetic are cultists rushing to message boards trying to defend anything that went on there under that dead, disgraced, piece of sheet football coach? It doesn't matter what the hell you had in "place"...neither your routinely circumvented, feckless compliance mechanisms or "success with honor" banners change the fact that your university was an absolute cess pool and your still worshiped dead coach a complete fraud. And football still takes an unbalanced priority at your warped institution. This is why I don't respect these cult members. How can anyone? There is no common sense, no rationale discussion with them. It is too bad the curtain will never be pulled the whole way back for these morons. People that were actually privy to the machinations of that program know what a joke these people are.
 
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Blue Band,

Spare your comments about paterno “felt like he knew how to discipline people”.

IT WAS NOT HIS JOB TO DISCIPLINE PEOPLE, HE WAS A FOOTBALL COACH!

Paterno : “ I am a benevolent dictator”!

Take off the UPS goggles and come to realty that they whole situation was handled wrong & on purpose!


Is George Mitchell still babysitting your school?
 
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"BlueBand, post: 201201, member: 5962"]Captain, I don't mind having rational discussions, but I also like to get the facts correct. Twice now you've said that all B1G schools had to have an AIA, but Penn State never did until 2012. That is blatantly false and misleading.
Well, you will have to explain these Links and explain how false they are today:

1.Penn State Adopts Athletic Integrity Agreement:

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2012/Athletics_Integrity_Agreement.pdf

2. Penn State Hires First Athletic Integrity Agreement Officer:
January 24, 2013
UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Julie Del Giorno, chief of staff at Moravian College and Moravian Theological Seminary in Bethlehem, Pa., has been named athletics integrity officer at Penn State. Del Giorno, whose position has been newly created, will be responsible for the development, implementation and oversight of policies and practices within the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics that ensure compliance and ethical conduct. She will begin work on a part-time basis in March and will commence full-time work in her position on April 1.


The AIA (Athletics Integrity Agreement) is an agreement between the NCAA, Penn State and Big Ten that came from the consent decree. It is specific to the situation at Penn State arising from the Sandusky mess. It can be viewed at http://www.psu.edu/ur/2012/Athletics_Integrity_Agreement.pdf
Hmnnnn....even your Link has 2012 in it???

The AIA is a temporary agreement (as stated on Page 1). If all schools had one, why would it be temporary? Also on Page 1 it states that the agreement is being entered pursuant to the consent decree. This is not something all conference schools have, it is specific to Penn State.
Well, the Penn State Athletic Integrity Agreement Officer is PERMANENT not Temporary! So, you are outright wrong and making excuses and Penn State disagrees with your own assumptions.

The AIA calls for an Athletic Integrity Officer (AIO) to be hired (Page 2). This is a temporary position, lasting the duration of the AIA (although the university may choose to continue it). The AIO provides an additional and independent level of oversight with compliance issues. There is also an Athletics Integrity Monitor (AIM), in this case George Mitchell, who writes the reports and oversees everything. Now, what you seem to be implying is that Penn State did not have anyone working in compliance prior to the AIA. Not true. In fact, the AIA addresses this on Page 8, where it refers to the Associate Athletic Director for Compliance and Student Athlete Services. It states that this individual will remain the primary person responsible for compliance issues, handbook and rules issues, etc, just as they always had been. I'm guessing this is what you are referring to... yes, I would think all schools have an equivalent position, just as Penn State has had for years.
I am not implying it, Penn State was not in Compliance and here is another Link from 2014:
PENN STATE UNIVERSITY COMPLIANCE PLAN
http://www.universityethics.psu.edu...ATE-UNIVERSITY-COMPLIANCE-PLAN-2014-05-08.pdf


Both the AIA Officer & Director of Compliance and Ethics are Permanent Positions and none of those positions were at Penn State until after 2012 and will remain there after the NCAA leave? Sorry, you are just dead wrong!

As I stated earlier, the AIO is adding a temporary layer on top of the existing system, another set of eyes, to make sure everything is being handled correctly. So far, it has been, as evidenced by the glowing reports that have come from Mitchell, which have been partially responsible for the sanctions reductions. Penn State, in utilizing the AIO, is going above and beyond other schools (not necessarily a bad thing) to ensure compliance. They are not being forced into compliance--they already were.
Well, just explain when Penn State will dismiss their AIA Officer & DEC and you can be right when you can prove those are Temporary! They did not take the jobs to be temporary and the University will not remove them even after sanctions end!

As I just stated, outside of possible Cleary Act issues which is a university wide issue, not just athletics, Penn State was otherwise in compliance prior to the AIA. The Freeh Report made a number of recommendations to improve reporting, policies and procedures. However, it did not state that Penn State was not in compliance with NCAA and Big Ten rules--in fact, even with the Sandusky mess, no rules were violated. Penn State was not charged with violating any NCAA rules, you can look it up.
Clery Act & Title IX are not issues and are Laws and AIA & DEC are responsible for that and that means all of what you said above is wrong as well as full of weasel words such as "Outside Possible Clery Issues" is more evidence you are outright wrong. This was the first reforms put in by the University and they are a Model to follow for all universities, but just proves my point that you are wrong and you know it too, so cut the missy prissy parsing of words. Hard to take you seriously when you don't even know the Clery Act spelling, and I do not mind I make mistakes too, but nothing in your post is accurate compared to links and facts I posted for you to learn?

All schools report secondary violations, and the NCAA doesn't penalize schools for them (this is a whole other discussion we could have). In fact, the NCAA looks upon reporting such secondary violations as the sign of a healthy compliance program. Prior to the AIA, Penn State reported secondary rules violations just like every other school. Nothing has changed, other than a so far one year increase in the number of secondary violations.
Blah, blah, the NCAA Sanctions happen and were in place for 2 years, they were not Secondary Issues. they were reduced and part of that was due to how well Penn State implemented Reforms and the Lawsuits, but never the 2 years were not erased and the NCAA said so too!

As for Paterno and discipline... he felt he knew best how to handle it, and would have preferred to handle it within the program. That said, players were still subject to discipline through the Office of Student Affairs.
Unfortunately, Penn State allowed him to be wrong, did not have Institutional Control over him, and he was wrong and knew it before he died as he cried about his Legacy being ruined and it is and will always have a stain around it!

Now I still admire him in many ways and consider him a great coach, but the world no longer looks at him the same way either and even Penn State!


O'Brien took the job before sanctions and did a great job, and Franklin has no problem working under Penn State Compliance conditions that Paterno was not under and ignored, and Sanctions still were given for Paterno's Tenure, and almost gone now and you have to accept the shame Paterno and others from Penn State did to Penn State's name! PUt the Blame where it belongs not on the big Ten, Pitt, or NCAA?

I'm all ears if you can correct me, but I've given you facts and referred you back to the AIA to back them up.
Well, nothing wrong with your ears or eyes, just what is between them and behind them, that is your Brian Pain, dealing with FACTS I posted and Linked and you cannot refute!

All AIA & DEC Positions Permanent, Compliance in place and up to date, Sanctions happen, and soon will be removed, no Nittany Lies or you attempts to say otherwise can change those Facts!


Deal with that something terrible happen at the Penn State Football Program and Penn State University took back control and will not allow another Coach to violate the rules again without consequences, and be proud of Penn State University due to their Reforms!
 
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:oops:Don't be so Blue....Blue Band!:confused:

"CrazyPaco, post: 201261, member: 160"]Yes, Paterno handled problems internally, like having academic tutors complete athlete academic work (and firing those that wouldn't comply), having inappropriate benefits funneled to players, blackballing people that didn't fall in line with his mandates (players, staff, and media), covering up player crimes where he could even to the point of forcing out the head of student affairs that dared to try to extend an acceptable standard of conduct to football players...and of course, covering up decades of child rape to protect the image of his football program.

How pathetic are cultists rushing to message boards trying to defend anything that went on there under that dead, disgraced, piece of sheet football coach? It doesn't matter what the hell you had in "place"...neither your routinely circumvented, feckless compliance mechanisms or "success with honor" banners change the fact that your university was an absolute cess pool and your still worshiped dead coach a complete fraud. And football still takes an unbalanced priority at your warped institution. This is why I don't respect these cult members. How can anyone? There is no common sense, no rationale discussion with them. It is too bad the curtain will never be pulled the whole way back for these morons. People that were actually privy to the machinations of that program know what a joke these people are.

:eek:Crazy Paco nails it!:rolleyes:
 
;)Blue Band You Cannot Erase What Happen At Penn State!:oops:
"9nationalchampionships, post: 201285, member: 3376"]Blue Band,

Spare your comments about paterno “felt like he knew how to discipline people”.

IT WAS NOT HIS JOB TO DISCIPLINE PEOPLE, HE WAS A FOOTBALL COACH!

Paterno : “ I am a benevolent dictator”!

Take off the UPS goggles and come to realty that they whole situation was handled wrong & on purpose!


Is George Mitchell still babysitting your school?

:(Oops, Blue Band Corrected Again!:rolleyes:
 
I very much enjoyed reading and sharing with Penn state Posters and Fans with the Pitt Fans and Posters giving their information that improved the thread together.

However, one and two Penn State Posters attempted to provide wrong information and Links as well as the Facts actually embarrass them and their misinformation and revealed they did not possess the full knowledge of what happen, what was reformed, and what is current situation at Penn State. It is up to them to find the character within themselves to acknowledge their mistakes that had to be corrected, and that is on them when they fail to do it and prefer ignorance and arrogance .

Now this does not apply to all and every Penn State Poster that posted and gave information and just has differing opinions.

Clearly, it is sad, but some of the Best and Most informed Penn State Posters seldom post on BWI and have been chased away by the PSU CULTists and that may be the case on BWI, but not on the Lair.

Lionlurker has contributed as far as I am concern on many subjects fairly and informatively, but was dead wrong on the NCAA Monitor not on Campus and then failed to acknowledge it and that includes Mitchell Successor that is being paid 43 million to continue monitor the Penn State Reforms under NCAA Sanctions.

BlueBand just outright was a Nittany Denier & Nittany Liar in an attempt to parse words and change the facts he could not refute from other Links, and that is is on him and his character?
 
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