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  1. fkthomas

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  2. NTOP

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    Good news from Wuhan-on-the-Hudson.
     
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    how is this not news??? but the death of a guy eating fish tank sanitizer is?
     
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    Wuhan upon the Hudson?
     
  5. SoufOaklin4Life

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    Because it’s a claim not a clinical trial .

    Of course he loses a bit of credibility by claiming Trump approved hydroxychloroquine .
    But - it’s click bait for right wingers
     
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    These days Stupidity sells, makes news, and generates clicks, while real news become back page stories.

    The result is the low information news consumer runs around with the wrong information.

    I already heard people, I think they were people, hard to tell sometimes, who read the fish tank dummy story and were telling people that Chloroquine was a failure.

    Amazing!
     
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    tell that to the numerous patients who were helped and some whose lives where saved.
     
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    You're a real buzz kill ...
    But . I'm sure you've heard that plenty of times .
     
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    You are a pathetic partisan loser who hates any good news of any kind.
    Who's talking politics here.
    These claims are well documented.

    There will eventually be clinical trials but I believe speed is a priority at this time.

    You just hate Trump and that drives your pathetic life.
     
  10. pittbb80

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    You’d be a buzz kill if you were working 12 hour shifts and had to sneak in time to post all day.
     
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    i dont think the guy who died was performing one either...but thats news
     
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    oh come on Souf, that’s a real reach for you in trying to justify the media. I bet 99% of the American public don’t know that the French study made it through peer review and was published...but the mainstream media makes damn sure everyone knows that some dolt died from investing fish tank products.......errrr I mean the drug Trump talked about.
     
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    Souf..
    This can't be !!!
    [​IMG]
     
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  14. pittbb80

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    Its souf being souf.......Hes never wrong and in his attempt to saying he was wrong and or being the contrarian he often blows hot air out if his other orifice.
     
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    Well, I guess it's time to open back up!
    And all while sitting atop mobile goalposts!

    The man's got talent.
     
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    Why, the way you put it, you make it sound like the MSM has a political agenda.
     
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    Life of the party
    not sure if it can keep up with Soufs!
     
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    To be clear, hydroxychloroquine sulfate is an approved drug but is only indicated for the treatment certain malarias, lupus, and chronic rheumatoid arthritis. That means it has been deemed to have a positive risk-benefit ratio, in terms of safety and effectiveness, for only those specific medical conditions for which it is labeled. Such assessments of risk-benefit are today based on legally mandated "adequate and well-controlled studies" which was instituted in the 1962 amendment to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

    There are a lot of potential serious side effects of hydroxychloroquine. The off-label prescribing of it or other drugs by a physician is that physician's own prerogative in the context of the way they wish to practice medicine (and thus their own medical liability risk). How physicians prescribe drugs is not actually regulated by the federal government, and there are many, many drugs used off-label (i.e. not as indicated in the FDA approved label). Physicians relying on anecdotal reports to inform treatments has proved deadly in some circumstances, but obviously the risk vs benefit, as perceived by a physician, can change if a patient has a life threatening condition and no other option.

    The FDA approves the marketing of drugs for the treatment of specific medical conditions based on its legally mandated charge to make evidence-based decisions. It doesn't regulate what physicians can actually prescribe or for what, nor, coincidentally, does it have any say on drug pricing.
     
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    Good post. The bottom line the decision to use it is between the patent and doctor on a case by case basis. It seems to me if you’re a high risk patient with serious symptoms the risk is worth it.
     
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    exactly...now if my dumba$$ governor would get his head out of his butt....steve sisolak needs to get the virus himself
     
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    I shouldn't be laughing at this but I did. I'm going to Hell.
     
  22. Sean Miller Fan

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    It sounds good and all but the fact he went on Hannity to announce it makes him lose credibility. I'd like it to be true but its really fishy he went on Hannity for this. Why not Maddow or heck Stephen Colbert, they are about as neutral as Hannity.
     
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    colbert is far neutral.
    hannity is a better brand than both
     
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    If this was picked up by a non-propogandist, I would say its more credible.
     
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    There is nothing neutral about discussing treatments that may show the clinical outcomes we are all looking for. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS OR TRUMP. THESE DRUGS ARE NOT TRUMP DRUGS.
    We need randomized trials that don’t include patient selection biases. That’s what the FDA wants and thus that’s what scientists like Fauci want. But that will take just as long as a vaccine. This drug has shown anecdotal success and we are going to continue to see promising data regarding its use while we navigate through this pandemic. It’s part of many hospital treatment algorithms as we speak.

    I’m sorry to share this positive news with you.

    one other thing about the FDA. They look for specific data for specific conditions. We know this drug is safe. It’s just that it hasn’t been demonstrated for covid patients. But Medical practitioners essentially know that it is. But that’s not how the FDA does things. Another example- there are products not fda approved for pediatrics because peds were not included in the patient population in the clinical trial submitted to the FDA. In these situations, success rates/safety and efficacy was demonstrated in other peer reviewed studies, and doctors refer to that data and are comfortable prescribing a treatment for kids everyday based on that data. But to the FDA, it’s off label. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work. We know that it does. But to resubmit data to the FDA isn’t worth the time or expense just for the FDA to give their stamp of approval.
    The bottom line is the manufacturer of the drug is not allowed to speak to its use for Covid. But if anyone else wants to speak to it and use it, they can. it’s up to them.
     
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    Bottom line . If you get covid and and have severe conditions or are at high risk for severe conditions would you not want your doctor to prescribe these drugs that could potentially save your life because orange man bad or Because a clinical trial has not been conducted
     
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    but the average age of residents in kiryas joel is 15 years old???
     
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    NTOP ....... you get funnier as the years pass. Hilarious
     
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    Thanks for the information and well written. I’m afraid that your post is over the heads of too many in the L R. And many others won’t read it because it has “too many words.”
     
  30. Sean Miller Fan

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    I guess what I am saying is I don't necessarily believe anyone who goes on Hannity and only Hannity. This is pretty big news, if true. If he reports this on a non-propoganda show, I will believe it. Let me know if he does.
     
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    Actually the interim data was published -
    Because it reached statistical significance /
    The actual study is still ongoing .
    Just to be precise

    if this doc actually did this-
    He should have been submitting his data to nejm or jama
    Not mark meadows and trump .
     
  32. SoufOaklin4Life

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    You are likely hospitalized in that case and enrolled in a clinical trial .

    trump has nothing to do with anything
     
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    Huh. Yet you called him irresponsible for saying it. How can he be both irresponsible and have nothing to do with anything?
     
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    lmao
     
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    Stop denigrating the liberals.
    Paco's always a great source.
     
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    How about:

    Hydroxychloroquine is approved for other diseases. It has many possible bad side effects and risks. Doctors have always been free to prescribe approved drugs how they see fit, including for diseases a drug has not been tested to work on. But a doctor has to weigh the risks of use that has not been studied use vs bad things happening. The federal government does not regulate how a doctor prescribes approved drugs.

    Separately, "standard of care" for any health condition is also not regulated by the federal government, but is something doctors pay close attention to and which various professional medical organizations provide guidances on (for instance, the American Diabetes Association maintains a standard of care guidance on diabetes treatment for physicians). It is not unusual for standard of care guidances to recommend off-label use of an approved drug.
     
  37. SoufOaklin4Life

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    I’ve already explained this
    He needs to let the actual doctors do the talking about medical issues - since he can’t help himself but exaggerate and lie
     
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    You think he’s only sharing this with Mark Meadows? If he is, he’s a quack and shouldn’t be treating patients.
     
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    So he does have something to with it then, making your statement earlier in this thread wrong?
     
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    I don’t either. I have a hard time with Hannity’s repetitive nature of his show and his talking points. But as it turns out, if you had believed the reporting done on his show for the last 3 years, you would have never bought into the Russian collusion and impeachment hoaxes. As it turns out, the people on his show were right all along.
     

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