ACC/Big 10 challenge picks

[Bethlehemjohn]

We did this a few years ago, but didn’t do it last year. Pick the game straight up and vs the spread.

Tonight’s games:

Minnesota at Virginia Tech, VT -12.5
Pitt at Northwestern, NW -7.5

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

We did this a few years ago, but didn’t do it last year. Pick the game straight up and vs the spread.

Tonight’s games:

Minnesota at Virginia Tech, VT -12.5
Pitt at Northwestern, NW -7.5

I’ll go first:

VT straight up and VT -12.5
Pitt straight up and Pitt +7.5

 

[bayardstreet]

Pitt wins outright by 4 points

Virginia Tech wins but doesnt cover.

 

[Drew1208]

Minnesota to cover
Pitt to cover

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

Minnesota to cover
Pitt to cover

VT or Minn to win?

 

[Drew1208]

VT or Minn to win?

Oh it's a already started but VT to win

 

[joeydavid]

By the authority deemed by me. I herefor declare the final ACC/B1G Challenge over and all remaining votes, (clears throat).... games are fraudulent games so we are stopping the counting. ACC wins the challenge.

You can all go home now. It's over.

 

[Drew1208]

Syracuse got smashed
Louisville got smashed

 

[pittchagg]

Clemson comes through

 

[Drew1208]

Clemson comes through

Oh snap I meant to turn that one back on

 

[Drew1208]

Oh snap I meant to turn that one back on

Too many spots stops in OT

 

[pittchagg]

Wake Forest pulls it out late against Wisconsin.

 

[Drew1208]

Wake Forest pulls it out late against Wisconsin.

Va Michigan game is good

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Wake Forest pulls it out late against Wisconsin.

Forbes is an elite coach/team assembler. This appears to be an entire new team and they are 7-1

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Forbes is an elite coach/team assembler. This appears to be an entire new team and they are 7-1

Who told you that one… almost like I’m right about coaches…

 

[Drew1208]

Dickinson pushed and then elbowed a dude and that dude with a bloody mouth fouled out on that play

 

[pittchagg]

Virginia beats Michigan and big goober Dickinson

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

ACC looking pretty good so far.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Virginia beats Michigan and big goober Dickinson

Out of the last 11 ncaa tourneys, 9 have won in season tourneys. UVA, Arizona Purdue, UConn.

I’m placing futures on UVA and Arkansas tomorrow. Something about the other 3’s I don’t like

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Forbes is an elite coach/team assembler. This appears to be an entire new team and they are 7-1

I really should create a search firm. I may be the only person who knows the perfect person for every job

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I really should create a search firm. I may be the only person who knows the perfect person for every job

You got Pikiell but I dont remember yoi saying anything about Forbes until after the fact. What did you think of Payne and Mike Young?

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

You got Pikiell but I dont remember yoi saying anything about Forbes until after the fact. What did you think of Payne and Mike Young?

Payne was a huge miss. They should’ve spent every dollar they had. It’s Louisville basketball, a top 8ish job. To hire a guy whose never been head coach because he played there is asinine. We are not close to their level of prestige, interest, resources etc and 90 percent of the fan base would revolt if BK got the head job because it would be a mistake.

No one thought Mike Young would do as well as he would early but he’s been about average since. Any job that you hire someone like a VT, Pitt, Rutgers… you have to hire a COACH. The recruiter label isn’t gonna work. Mike Rice was an excellent hire by Rutgers until he went off the rails because he could COACH. Mark Schmidt who would’ve been hated by the fan base simply because he’s a boring old white guy would have had Pitt in the tourney 1/2 years he would’ve been here. We need a boring COACH. No slogans, no flashy videos. Just coaching

 

[Chescat]

ACC looking pretty good so far.

Ya think? This despite a
certain poster telling us
how much easier the ACC
schedule is going to be
for Pitt.

 

[Chescat]

Who told you that one… almost like I’m right about coaches…

Regardless of who said
it first Forbes is doing
one hell of a job. Of
course it was obvious
even last year.

 

[pittchagg]

Ya think? This despite a
certain poster telling us
how much easier the ACC
schedule is going to be
for Pitt.

Yeah, tonight’s the big night though. Nobody’s gonna care about the ACC winning the downstream games if the B1G sweeps the ranked on ranked matchups.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

The one everyone whiffed on and it scares me to death is Keatts. If who is rumored to want that job wants it based on the power vacuum on Tobacco Road they could be the best team in the ACC next year if they move on Keatts

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Payne was a huge miss. They should’ve spent every dollar they had. It’s Louisville basketball, a top 8ish job. To hire a guy whose never been head coach because he played there is asinine. We are not close to their level of prestige, interest, resources etc and 90 percent of the fan base would revolt if BK got the head job because it would be a mistake.

No one thought Mike Young would do as well as he would early but he’s been about average since. Any job that you hire someone like a VT, Pitt, Rutgers… you have to hire a COACH. The recruiter label isn’t gonna work. Mike Rice was an excellent hire by Rutgers until he went off the rails because he could COACH. Mark Schmidt who would’ve been hated by the fan base simply because he’s a boring old white guy would have had Pitt in the tourney 1/2 years he would’ve been here. We need a boring COACH. No slogans, no flashy videos. Just coaching

Especially right now with players transferring every year, you definitely have to hire the best X and O coach/tactician. But pinpointing that guy is hard.

You joke about a search firm but what do these firms actually do? Let me give you an example. When Duquesne was in the process of hiring Jim Ferry, I posted on their message board it was a bad hire because his success was mostly due to 2 non-recruited Texas HS teammates that he hit the Powerball with. It was extreme luck. He had no ties in NYC. It wasnt like he assembled a NY Catholic League all-star team. He got really lucky with 2 Texas kids who had no D1 offers. Do search firms look at the reasons for success? You know how I say to stay away from the Vermont and Murray State coaches (best job in their league). Do search firms take that into account?

 

[pittjas]

The one everyone whiffed on and it scares me to death is Keatts. If who is rumored to want that job wants it based on the power vacuum on Tobacco Road they could be the best team in the ACC next year if they move on Keatts

So your saying somebody really wants the NC State job? Current p6 HC?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The one everyone whiffed on and it scares me to death is Keatts. If who is rumored to want that job wants it based on the power vacuum on Tobacco Road they could be the best team in the ACC next year if they move on Keatts

I am guessing Ryan Odom. Also it wouldn't take much to rise to the top of the ACC. 1 good hire and you can be #4 behind UNC, Duke, and UVa in Year 1

 

[pittchagg]

The one everyone whiffed on and it scares me to death is Keatts. If who is rumored to want that job wants it based on the power vacuum on Tobacco Road they could be the best team in the ACC next year if they move on Keatts

Felton Jeffrey Capel

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Especially right now with players transferring every year, you definitely have to hire the best X and O coach/tactician. But pinpointing that guy is hard.

You joke about a search firm but what do these firms actually do? Let me give you an example. When Duquesne was in the process of hiring Jim Ferry, I posted on their message board it was a bad hire because his success was mostly due to 2 non-recruited Texas HS teammates that he hit the Powerball with. It was extreme luck. He had no ties in NYC. It wasnt like he assembled a NY Catholic League all-star team. He got really lucky with 2 Texas kids who had no D1 offers. Do search firms look at the reasons for success? You know how I say to stay away from the Vermont and Murray State coaches (best job in their league). Do search firms take that into account?

I think you know what search firms do. They take care of their buddies

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I am guessing Ryan Odom. Also it wouldn't take much to rise to the top of the ACC. 1 good hire and you can be #4 behind UNC, Duke, and UVa in Year 1

Ryan Odom would be so underwhelming compared to who I am thinking…. You will lose your mind

 

[pittjas]

Ryan Odom would be so underwhelming compared to who I am thinking…. You will lose your mind

Rick Pitino. Please tell SMF. He would LOSE IT

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

So your saying somebody really wants the NC State job? Current p6 HC?

Correct. An adidas guy, not a current P6 guy. The best coach in the history of basketball, imo.

 

[cabe23]

Correct. An adidas guy, not a current P6 guy. The best coach in the history of basketball, imo.

So far NC St is kinda good tho.

 

[Drew1208]

Indiana vs Unc
Two pgh kids on the floor

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Rick Pitino. Please tell SMF. He would LOSE IT

Yea that's what I'm thinking. BTW, Houston has to be so embarrassed about hiring Kelvin Sampson. They went to the Elite 8 last year and are ranked #1 right now but its not worth the stain on their institutional reputation, right? Houston grads now cannot get jobs. Academic foundations have cut grant funding. Chik Fil A pulled out. The Sampson hire has been a disaster. What an awful person he has proven to be. Houston will never recover. The same can be said for Auburn.

 

[pittchagg]

ACC wins the challenge with Notre Dame’s win over MSU #onebidB1G

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Yea that's what I'm thinking. BTW, Houston has to be so embarrassed about hiring Kelvin Sampson. They went to the Elite 8 last year and are ranked #1 right now but its not worth the stain on their institutional reputation, right? Houston grads now cannot get jobs. Academic foundations have cut grant funding. Chik Fil A pulled out. The Sampson hire has been a disaster. What an awful person he has proven to be. Houston will never recover. The same can be said for Auburn.

Really not sure what you want Pitt or Lyke to do? Pitt isn’t close to as good as either of those jobs. And she went out and made an offer of more money to a guy who will probably win a national title in the next 5 years but because it’s UConn and he can win there, went there.

The resources, while better than when Capel took over, just aren’t there.

Now here’s where SMF argument will go:

1) hire someone like BK on the cheap and spend the rest on NIL and buying players (obviously illegal)

2) spend 12 million on some Coach who won’t have people buying him players here

I just saved you the time

 

[pittchagg]

Really not sure what you want Pitt or Lyke to do? Pitt isn’t close to as good as either of those jobs. And she went out and made an offer of more money to a guy who will probably win a national title in the next 5 years but because it’s UConn and he can win there, went there.

The resources, while better than when Capel took over, just aren’t there.

Now here’s where SMF argument will go:

1) hire someone like BK on the cheap and spend the rest on NIL and buying players (obviously illegal)

2) spend 12 million on some Coach who won’t have people buying him players here

I just saved you the time

Then give it more resources. It feels to an outsider like we’re finally pretty close to being at a competitive resource level to the rest of the conference and other schools in the region. It’s been a long road, but we’ve caught up, or come close. Nothing should be precluding us from investing more resources to take the next step up.