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ACC should simply merge if possible

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Rather than sit by and watch as others do to the ACC what Thomas Edison (backed by JP MORGAN) did to George Westinghouse, the ACC should try to merge with either of the 3 other conferences.
That would maximize the potential for everyone.
 
Well that would be like being in charge of all the alcohol at your neighbor's Super Bowl party when Tom from next door only has to bring the chips. The ACC has the more valuable brands at the moment, so it doesn't make sense to share them.

Once Clemson and company leave, the ACC and Big 12 will be a lot more similar in value, so I wouldn't oppose a merger then. I assume the execs would fight it, though, because it would likely mean cutting some jobs (e.g. one commissioner instead of two, etc.).
 
Don’t do anything until you see a final set up from the CFP. If they still view a P5 plus 7 or P4 plus 8, why leave a conference you have better odds of wining?
 
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Well that would be like being in charge of all the alcohol at your neighbor's Super Bowl party when Tom from next door only has to bring the chips. The ACC has the more valuable brands at the moment, so it doesn't make sense to share them.

Once Clemson and company leave, the ACC and Big 12 will be a lot more similar in value, so I wouldn't oppose a merger then. I assume the execs would fight it, though, because it would likely mean cutting some jobs (e.g. one commissioner instead of two, etc.).
Ding ding ding
 
I would try to merge with the SEC or Big Ten.
Say the SEC thought that was a great idea.

Where would that leave the Big Ten? Would teams want to leave the Big Ten to top off the new SEC?

USC, UCLA, Wash, Oreg, Md, Rutg
 
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At the risk of ending up on message board geniuses, I'll throw this thought out there.

With the financial disparity in the Televison contracts between the ACC and the B1G/SEC; the only way I could see an ACC full on merger with one of those two conferences working would be via a promotion/relegation model like the Pac-2 and Mountain West/AAC are talking about.

Under this type of merger, the B1G/SEC would be considered the Premier League equivalent and the ACC would be considered a tier down. This way both conferences could maintain their current TV contracts; with only teams that get relegated being out any money.

To preserve rivalries in this type of model a certain number of cross conference games could be allocated annually with designated rivalries always being allocated as one of a team's cross conference games should one team be in the ACC and the other in the B1G/SEC. I would propose 8 in conference games, 3 games against the higher/lower tier conference, 1 game to schedule out of league.

Why top teams in the B1G/SEC might consider voting in favor of this: Confident enough in the strength of their program to not have to worry about relegation anytime in the near future (Truer for top B1G teams than teams in the top-heavy SEC) with an opportunity to absorb teams like Clemson/FSU/NC/Miami without diluting distributions while simultaneously shedding dead weight at the bottom of the conference.

Why bottom teams in B1G/SEC might consider voting in favor of this: Trying to solidify a mega conference they are a part of as a hedge against the top teams breaking away and leaving them behind.

Why top ACC teams might vote in favor of this: A path to the B1G/SEC without having to find a way out of the grant of rights or paying a huge exit fees.

Why bottom teams in the ACC might vote in favor of this: Hedge against being left in a severely diminished conference if top ACC teams leave for the B1G/SEC. Still a path to the college football playoffs in the lower tier league due to cross league games should the lower league champion rank high enough.

Why top teams in the B1G/SEC might vote against this: Even the thought of being regulated is untenable.

Why bottom teams in the B1G/SEC might vote against this: Reduced athletic department financial resources and lower prestige if relegated.

Why top ACC teams might vote against this: Don't want to have to wait until they win the ACC to get promoted. Does not stick it to Wake Forest enough.

Why bottom ACC teams might vote against this: Not wanting to risk being stuck in a football league where Clemson, FSU, NC, and Miami are perpetually replaced with Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana and Perdue. Does not stick it to Wake Forest enough.

Why Wake Forest might vote against this: Inconceivable. They would be all in.

The legal side of this type of merger would probably be easier to work out with the SEC since both conferences are primarily contracted with ESPN for Television broadcast rights; but the SEC is probably less likely to entertain the idea since they seem somewhat inclined to maintain some sort of geographical footprint.

Since the B1G and ACC both have west coast teams now; this type of merger would potentially help reduce travel cost as the former PAC teams could designate themselves as rivals to minimize cross country travel.

That's probably enough time in fantasy land for one post.
 
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At the risk of ending up on message board geniuses, I'll throw this thought out there.

With the financial disparity in the Televison contracts between the ACC and the B1G/SEC; the only way I could see an ACC full on merger with one of those two conferences working would be via a promotion/relegation model like the Pac-2 and Mountain West/AAC are talking about.

Under this type of merger, the B1G/SEC would be considered the Premier League equivalent and the ACC would be considered a tier down. This way both conferences could maintain their current TV contracts; with only teams that get relegated being out any money.

To preserve rivalries in this type of model a certain number of cross conference games could be allocated annually with designated rivalries always being allocated as one of a team's cross conference games should one team be in the ACC and the other in the B1G/SEC. I would propose 8 in conference games, 3 games against the higher/lower tier conference, 1 game to schedule out of league.

Why top teams in the B1G/SEC might consider voting in favor of this: Confident enough in the strength of their program to not have to worry about relegation anytime in the near future (Truer for top B1G teams than teams in the top-heavy SEC) with an opportunity to absorb teams like Clemson/FSU/NC/Miami without diluting distributions while simultaneously shedding dead weight at the bottom of the conference.

Why bottom teams in B1G/SEC might consider voting in favor of this: Trying to solidify a mega conference they are a part of as a hedge against the top teams breaking away and leaving them behind.

Why top ACC teams might vote in favor of this: A path to the B1G/SEC without having to find a way out of the grant of rights or paying a huge exit fees.

Why bottom teams in the ACC might vote in favor of this: Hedge against being left in a severely diminished conference if top ACC teams leave for the B1G/SEC. Still a path to the college football playoffs in the lower tier league due to cross league games should the lower league champion rank high enough.

Why top teams in the B1G/SEC might vote against this: Even the thought of being regulated is untenable.

Why bottom teams in the B1G/SEC might vote against this: Reduced athletic department financial resources and lower prestige if relegated.

Why top ACC teams might vote against this: Don't want to have to wait until they win the ACC to get promoted. Does not stick it to Wake Forest enough.

Why bottom ACC teams might vote against this: Not wanting to risk being stuck in a football league where Clemson, FSU, NC, and Miami are perpetually replaced with Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana and Perdue. Does not stick it to Wake Forest enough.

Why Wake Forest might vote against this: Inconceivable. They would be all in.

The legal side of this type of merger would probably be easier to work out with the SEC since both conferences are primarily contracted with ESPN for Television broadcast rights; but the SEC is probably less likely to entertain the idea since they seem somewhat inclined to maintain some sort of geographical footprint.

Since the B1G and ACC both have west coast teams now; this type of merger would potentially help reduce travel cost as the former PAC teams could designate themselves as rivals to minimize cross country travel.

That's probably enough time in fantasy land for one post.

Why would the BIG/SEC do that instead of just picking off the best of the best? It's not like they want Clemson, UNC, and FSU but those teams are playing hard to get so they have to brainstorm a Plan B like they're some bad guys trying to lure Liam Neeson to them in Taken 22 or whatever number they're in.

Plus they would never get the votes, because Northwestern and Rutgers aren't going to say, "Okay, instead of getting $100M/year, let's implement a system where we will be able to suck our way to only getting half of that." That'd be like a quadriplegic paying someone to spray mace in his eyes so he could give himself a challenge.
 
Why would the BIG/SEC do that instead of just picking off the best of the best? It's not like they want Clemson, UNC, and FSU but those teams are playing hard to get so they have to brainstorm a Plan B like they're some bad guys trying to lure Liam Neeson to them in Taken 22 or whatever number they're in.

Plus they would never get the votes, because Northwestern and Rutgers aren't going to say, "Okay, instead of getting $100M/year, let's implement a system where we will be able to suck our way to only getting half of that." That'd be like a quadriplegic paying someone to spray mace in his eyes so he could give himself a challenge.
Absolutely agree there would never be enough votes for something like this because there are too many parties it wouldn't benefit. But with Oregon and Washington only getting a half share +escalators through the current TV contract because TV money is drying up; this is something you would look at as a way of keeping the top performers earning top dollar without jettisoning the bottom performers to the AAC.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the conferences telling the SEC and B1G to just take off and form their own association and the remaining schools just play one another.
 
By the end of the decade I think we'll see a group of the leftover ACC and Big 12 teams for their own conference, it would allow them to shed some deadweight, have somewhat geographic divisions and slot themselves between the B1G/SEC.
 
Say the SEC thought that was a great idea.

Where would that leave the Big Ten? Would teams want to leave the Big Ten to top off the new SEC?

USC, UCLA, Wash, Oreg, Md, Rutg
Could the SEC eliminate the Big Ten as a competitor And establish clear superiority.

Dominant the market. Marginalize them to a regional league.
 
Could the SEC eliminate the Big Ten as a competitor And establish clear superiority.

Dominant the market. Marginalize them to a regional league.
The Big Ten will actually be good after adding the new teams. They are generally a 2 (now more 3 with Ped St) team league. The rest of the league is garbage.

But they are adding some pretty good programs from the Pac 12.
 
Rather than sit by and watch as others do to the ACC what Thomas Edison (backed by JP MORGAN) did to George Westinghouse, the ACC should try to merge with either of the 3 other conferences.
That would maximize the potential for everyone.
I don’t have an opinion on your question but would like to add that I too have been enjoying the history channel as of late!
 
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