Duke finished in 4th place and they are better than everyone in the Big 10. By far.
ACC Underrated
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Duke could absolutely win the NC....or lose in Round 2. But their NET sucks so they'll be a low seed.
They might be playing better now, but
Purdue - 75
Duke - 56
In a game that was nine points or more for the last 28 minutes of the game.
Duke is a completely different team now. Duke is rising and Purdue is fading.
I agree that they are playing better now. But when they actually played the game Duke got bitch-slapped.
Months ago and no longer relevant for comparison.
You are highlighting what's wrong with the current system since the game has changed. Young teams and new teams (transfers) need time to figure things out.
I agree with Sauce on this one.
Well that's why human select and seed the tournament, not computers.
But the notion that you can completely dismiss a beatdown like that is silly. There is a reason that the committee doesn't, in fact, do that. And never really has.
The seeding should be the best teams at the start of the tournament. How you get there is a good question.
In this case, it's tough to say Duke isn't the most talented team in the country. Now they seem to be playing to their talent level. Looks similar to what we saw with Duke and UNC last year.
It would be funny to see Duke as 4 seed and favored over the 1 seed.
The same people want to point to our beat down of Northwestern as a great win.
They are both relevant, of course.
Duke may have taken a while to figure things out, but that doesn't make the ACC underrated. We're still the same meh team that had a ball in the air to win the conference... against the team that did win it.
It would be funny to see that. But that isn't going to happen this year. If Duke were playing any of the potential number one seeds tomorrow on a neutral court they wouldn't be favored over any of them. None of them would even be within a point or two.
I had UCLA winning the national title. Now with Jaylen Clark just recently tearing his acl, they are in trouble.
In fact, there are a lot of teams that recently just lost important players like Tennessee, Rutgers, TCU, Virginia etc.. that are done for the year... That doesnt include teams without coaches like Kansas and Texas.
There are going to be a lot up upsets of top teams this year.
I absolutely would not want to play Duke right now, and I really dont care what their net or efficiency sites think of them. They have 2 seven foot 5 star players that are going to give a ton of teams trouble with size and rebounding.
I think there will be too. But they will be upsets. Four seeds are not going to be favored over ones. Seven seeds are not going to be favored over twos. That doesn't mean that four seeds can't or won't beat ones, or that sevens can't beat twos. But those will be upsets.
And while I do think that Duke is playing better, before today their results really didn't show that. Their six game winning streak was a close win over Notre Dame (at home), easily beating not very good Syracuse, pounding terrible Louisville, a decent home win over Virginia Tech, a close home win over NC State and a close road win over Carolina. I mean those are good results, but they certainly aren't great results. And their two games before that were the loss to Virginia in the referee game and a hammering at the hands of Miami.
All things considered, they looked a lot better today than they have all season long. It remains to be seen if that's a sign that they've finally figured it out, or if today was a combination of a good matchup (from their perspective, not ours) and game circumstances. It certainly could be the former, but it also could be the latter.
The play again now and Duke would likely win, IMHO
I am hoping you are right and Purdue and Duke play again. If Duke is full strength, then I will be all over it.
Remember a year ago when that Pitt team beat UNC at UNC. It was a fluke. Pitt shooters were "unconcious."
Well, good teams can have similar peak games and when you include a very bad physical matchup you can get today's type result.
Well, good teams can have similar peak games and when you include a very bad physical matchup you can get today's type result.
Duke is playing better than earlier in the season and may be a tough draw in the tourney but, otherwise, no one’s said anything in this thread to support the OP’s claim that the ACC is underrated.
If they destroy Miami that will tell me somethin. But they're talented enough to go real far.
I think they're season changed a bit when they beat us.
They put Proctor at point and never looked back.
They look like a young team that keeps getting better and better.
Their defense is impressive. I. Forgot what good D looked like.
I think they're season changed a bit when they beat us.
They put Proctor at point and never looked back.
They look like a young team that keeps getting better and better.
Their defense is impressive. I. Forgot what good D looked like.
Duke pretty much just did exactly what they to Pitt in the second half of the first matchup. Outscored Pitt by 20+ that half, looked unstoppable. Then... Well, lost some games and struggled at times after that win.
I think they've always been the most likely ACC team to make a run. I also think that since they second half of the first game, they know they can just abuse Pitt in every way imaginable.
Like you said, they won very close games, somewhat low scoring games just their two before this one v. NCSU and at UNC. Not long before that, they won close at ND. Blowouts over Syracuse and Louisville and VT when VT isn't at home are impressive as in they're blowouts but those three teams have gotten blown out a lot in those circumstances throughout this season.
Yeah the ACc being underrated when the 3 seed in the tourney is trying to play their way into the tournament is an odd thing to say.
Yes, Duke is peaking and can make a run. They always can. Miami can probably make a run if they have enough financial motivation. Can you really see any other team making a run? UVA doesn’t score enough. Nc state is bipolar. 3 weeks ago I would’ve put Pitt in front of Duke to make a run but it seems like we’re fading.
I think the ACC is rated pretty fairly. Solid league at top and a dreadful bottom
TeMs that helped ACC perception:
Pitt, Miami, NC State, Clemson to a certain extent
Teams that had no impact:
Duke, UVA, Georgia Tech (everyone expected them to suck), Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Teams that hurt ACC perception:
UNCX100000
ND
Boston College *without Post, but still, bad losses*
Syracuse!!!
Florida State
Louisville x 100000
Looks like Clemson is trying to make a case for themselves starting the tourney with two 20+ point wins. Let’s see what they do against UVA today.
This is a make or break game for them. I’d like to see them win and get in
Besides getting another ACC team in, they won’t get rid of Brownell then
Yeah, been hearing about the big10 BS for years. Football, basketball it makes no difference. It's just same old story different year. Media darlings and it won't stop.
That was in November - basically a pre-season game. Duke would beat the brakes off of Purdue if they played tomorrow.
It has been 22 years since the Big 10 won a national title. Nobody from the Big 10 is winning it this year either. It is an absolute joke that people are talking about giving 10 bids to that conference. The Big 10 media bias runs rampant and it’s the same story every year. The ACC deserves 6 bids.
The Proctor/Roach switch was key.
Duke & UVA put on defensive clinics yesterday.
I'm really impressed with Jon Sheyer for year one.
Agree on Scheyer. His team has progressed well and appears ready to make a decent run at another final 4.
Yeah he’s been great. Will continue to kill it there for years to come. Sucks. Was hoping he’d be a total dud.
It will be interesting to see what happens at UNC. They had a huge run in the tournament last year, but missing the Dance will not sit well. Another year like this one and Hubert will be on the hot seat.
Yeah I really like they way he's got that team together
Reminds me of any talented team that takes a whole season then realizes their potential.
I think Davis on the hot seat going into next year.
Yeah, if for no other reason than they have the best players. If/when they put it all together they are a tough out for anyone. No one in this league has anywhere near the level of talent they do.
