ACCN? or more money for ACC?

[TIGER-PAUL]

We spoke to Wes Durham of the ACC Network/Fox Sports South on our program tonight. He told us that if there is no ACC Network agreement by July 1st, that 'reportedly' ESPN would owe the ACC $45 million.

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Durham's interview begins at 1:22:00.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Makes perfect sense. Now you know why Florida State and Clemson opted to stay put. There was no financial incentive for them to leave and a lot of disincentive for them to do so.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

Wow that is a good find Tiger Paul....good work

 

[ThePanthers]

And that would be $45M annually as long as there is no network. ND would get less of a share since it's on the normal TV contract.

The endgame preference would still be a profitable network, and if one isn't announced by July 1st (I dont' think it will be) it doesn't mean it's dead.

Swofford keeps mentioning timing in his interviews, so it just may be a matter of when ESPN works with all of the major cable providers again on their carriage rates for all of their channels. This gives them the most leverage.

This is one reason the SECN was so successful, all due to timing.

 

[PHATWOOD]

It's long been bandied about that the ACC would receive at least 2 million per year if there was no network. So, a figure of 3 million seems quite likely.

It's worth noting that Durham said that clause in the contract is "reportedly" the case. No one has seen the particulars of the contract.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Makes perfect sense. Now you know why Florida State and Clemson opted to stay put. There was no financial incentive for them to leave and a lot of disincentive for them to do so.

For Now????.........FSU and Clemson both played in National Championship Playoffs and that shows it is wise to be in a Conference where one can win and make money.

Miami and Virginia Tech were winning big in the Big East until they needed a stable, reliable, and future increasing Athletic Budget and now rebuilding to win in the Top 25 and 10 level again, but harder to do now with FSU & Clemson already there as other ACC Programs rebuild to go on the rise.

Same for Penn State, they were a Top 25-15 Program in money and winning but once they joined the Big Ten, there Winning went down even under Paterno's.

Paterno to his miscalculation found Big Ten Competition far tougher. Causing Paterno not to follow all the NCAA or Big Ten rules to keep up to keep his job, and Curtis Enis NCAA Agent Violations, many Players being arrested and not disciplined by the University, and still played in Games after being suspended from the University as cover ups were happening on many levels not just Sandusky? Just so Joe could win stay and win games for his legacy now in ruins.

The point is loud and clear, the Big Ten brought Penn State more money but not more Wins or Championships, and has been reduced to second and Third Tier Program in spite of its money and now spends more money from the Scandals hidden for years?

Ohio State and Michigan won NCS and now are back doiing it again in the Big Ten. While Penn State is rebuilding but has been reduced to Second Tier Status with Great Coaching at MSU, Wisky, Nebraska, and Iowa now competing with them to take on OSU/UM. Money has increased competition in the Big Ten Programs but winning on a level to take on Michigan and Ohio State is just as tough, if not tougher. If anyone thinks TEXAS & ND is not learning from that example as well as Nebraska, Miami and others think again?

The same thing happen in PAC-12 and Big-12 as USC, OU, Texas are still Top Money Making Programs, but now more money as brought on competition among Programs with Great Coaching in Baylor, UCLA, Oregon, TCU. WVU thatw as winning under Coach Rod on a Top 10-25 level has struggled to get back to Top 25 Winning but making more money.

SEC is has competitive as ever, but Alabama shows what Elite Coaching and Making Money can do as example for all Programs, and SEC"s Bama and Big ten Ohio State have won the NCS with that Great Coaching. While Big-12 and PAC-12 have participated with Oregon, MSU, and OU, and the ACC FSU and Clemson have risen to Top Ten Winning enough to be contenders as well the last 3 CFB NCS Playoffs.

All Programs have benefited in making more and reliable/stable Athletic Budgets, but Elite Great Coaching with recruiting still is required to be a Top 10 WINNING Program, not just top Revenue Program and all levels have risen that makes it tougher to ascend to that level of WINNING 11-12+ Games.

Bama does it the best in the toughest conference with Saban, Ohio State with Meyers and soon Harbaugh will bring back Michigan. Yet, the ACC in FSU and Clemson have done very good as well in Winning. Yet, USC, Texas, Oregon, OU, and the remainder Top Revenue producing Programs still are searching for the coaching to keep up and WINNING is tougher than ever now but Alumni, Boosters, and College Presidents demand it and Coaching matters as Revenues increases all competition.

Winning to be in the CFB NCS Playoff Hunt is tougher than ever, but Smart Universities stay put where they do it easier to win 11 and 12 games, and FSU and Clemson have done well by being in the ACC.

 

[Las Panteras]

The bold blue fonts are unnecessary

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

And that would be $45M annually as long as there is no network. ND would get less of a share since it's on the normal TV contract.

The endgame preference would still be a profitable network, and if one isn't announced by July 1st (I dont' think it will be) it doesn't mean it's dead.

Swofford keeps mentioning timing in his interviews, so it just may be a matter of when ESPN works with all of the major cable providers again on their carriage rates for all of their channels. This gives them the most leverage.

This is one reason the SECN was so successful, all due to timing.

The ACC is then giving out an additional $3.75 Million to 14 ACC Programs from that $45 Million ESPN money has to be weighed against what they could be making with a Network. All the while, the Big Ten and SEC has 18 Programs making over $100 Million last year, as PAC-12 and Texas Longhorn Network struggles to make money for their Programs and Big-12 is worried about staying up with them in the future in all except Texas that is richest of all right now without SEC or BIG TEN money?

Interesting but the new Big Ten TV Money in FB and BB being renegotiated right now and SEC continued instant success with its own Network is still an advantage that could attract others for future expansion as TV Rights Contract start to expire by 2020's. Remember, it one announce a signed an agreement invitation in 2018 and wait until 2020's to move to another conference or negotiate to leave because it is worth paying to get out if making more money sooner happens too?

By 2020, Big Ten and SEC could be bigger than ever as TV Grants in Rights signed by other Programs are diminished towards there own deadline. If Grants of Rights expire say in 2022 then that is lower number every year that passes.

This is why the PAC-12, Big-12, and ACC have to become more competitive in having more CFB Programs making $100 Million+ among just remaining 10 Programs collectively right now out of all 128 Programs? It is those $100 Million+ Programs the Big Ten and SEC will be targeting.

It is good to see the ACC making money without a Network compared to the PAC-12 struggling to do it, and Big-12 still endanger of breaking up if OU leaves, and the ACC contemplates what to do and when?

However, this also may make PAC-12 to move0 towards OU to go to the Central Time Zone with other Big-12 Programs to make the PAC-12 Network profitable? Before the Big Ten and SEC will be in a position to attract and expand with bigger TV & Network Money not just with remaining Big-12 Programs, but the ACC?

After reading many CFB Sports Business Articles, it is one reason why I have to agree with Sport Experts on TV Network Expansion to speculate Texas and Notre Dame are future package for some Conference. However, neither UT or ND wants to go where making more money will come at the expense of WINNING in the future like what has happen to Nebraska, Penn State, Miami, VT, and USC.

Therefore, more speculation the ACC offers a very good alternative to Texas and ND where they will keep WINNING and make an ACC Network profitable by joining the ACC rather than competing every year with Bama, LSU, OSU, and Michigan & tougher Historic and Powerful Revenue Progarms?

Why I also now think Swofford's delays are happening along with changing High Tech TV innovations changing the ways College Football will be seen in the future as well as change on NCAA issues being decided in the Courts?

In summary, it is not just about making more money that SEC and Big Ten can offer anytime and in the future for any Big-12 or ACC Program. It is still about being wise where TEXAS & ND wants to go back so they too can find Winning 11+ & 12+ games in that Conference they choose.

TEXAS & ND both already are making $100 Million+ Money but what is just as important to them is WINNING & Playing in CFB NCS PLayoffs to keep Alumni, Boosters, and Fans happy and that is easier done in the ACC if they joined, rather than going up against SEC & BIG TEN Programs in reality.

This all depends what the BIG-12 is going to do soon! Additionally, if PAC-12 makes a move or Big Ten or SEC and as ACC Network is on hold???

All I am reading in Sports Business Publications, does verify something sounds, smells, and is brewing among the Big Five Conferences as to CFB TV future and NCAA Court Cases, and changes coming sooner not later as predicted???

CFB Expansion can happen by one event like OU leaving and then causes impacts among all Conferences and Programs realignments and then reorganizations, but I just don't think 5 Power Conferences is the model, when 4 is a better?

If there is anything anyone has learned how Conference Expansion happens since early 1990s when Independents FSU, PSU, Miami, Pitt, WVU, absorbed, and Big 8-SWC reorganized and merged, and in 2000s when ACC Miami, VT, BC, moved on BEC, and Big-12 lost Teams in NU, Colorado, Missouri, & A&M against 2011 when Pitt & Cuse finished off the BEC, as Big-12 with WVU & TCU scrambled to get back to 10 Teams, while Maryland and Rutgers became targets for the Big Ten and ULou ended up in the ACC.....it is usually a surprise and happens when others think it won't happen, but then it happens????

OU has been crying out loud for sometime, just like Miami was crying quietly to BEC Commissioner Tranghese in the Big East to expand as Basketball Catholic Schools stayed smug and stubborn, and OU is playing out its hand just as Big Ten renegotiates it's BIG to BIGGER TV Contracts for FB & BB for years to come as Grants in Rights Deadline will expire during those years that look far off, but closer than many think????

Something is brewing and it ain't just coffee?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

The bold blue fonts are unnecessary

So, was your own unnecessary whining post, when you can ignore it, and so be it!

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

So, was your own unnecessary whining post, when you can ignore it, and so be it!

I agree what's with all the fancy bold fonts?

 

[ThePanthers]

Those $100+M programs are mainly due to alumni donations and ticket sales. Not conference disbursements.

Miss St is in the SEC and is towards the bottom of the P5 revenues.

 

[ThePanthers]

I agree what's with all the fancy bold fonts?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I agree what's with all the fancy bold fonts?

Good to see you agree with something?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Those $100+M programs are mainly due to alumni donations and ticket sales. Not conference disbursements.

Miss St is in the SEC and is towards the bottom of the P5 revenues.

Good point and agree with you especially on License & Luxury Box Contributions and Fees, but it is still money that permits them on having a Top 28 Program to fund many aspects of keeping their Football Program and Athletic Department Healthy.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Given the need for ESPN to air quality sports, keeping the ACC in the fold is important. If we can squeeze another 4-8M per team out of a new contract I would shelve the ACCN.

Not having to capitalize the ACCN & increasing revenue is an easy decision for school boards!

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

Good to see you agree with something?

Are you asking me a question?

 

[PHATWOOD]

Given the need for ESPN to air quality sports, keeping the ACC in the fold is important. If we can squeeze another 4-8M per team out of a new contract I would shelve the ACCN.

Not having to capitalize the ACCN & increasing revenue is an easy decision for school boards!

I'm not entirely sure that no network is a good thing, even if there is a decent check coming in to "shelve" it.

Big Ten and SEC schools have had to capitalize their networks, yes. But they now have an infrastructure to create content - staff, video facilities, multimedia production for recruiting and exposure - that virtually no ACC schools currently have. And many wouldn't have the stomach to invest in that area unless they had to.

BIG and SEC schools had to do so as a condition of their networks. Yes, their content is housed primarily on those networks but the secondary content they're now able to create and monetize indepently, or utilize for recruiting is highly impressive. Many of them had the money to begin with possibly, but they weren't investing in that area.

If you poke around the internet it's unreal what some of the SEC schools in particular are doing now that they have the pieces in place to create content.

My long-winded point simply is that everything from facilities to training table is an arms race now. This is no different. The ACC should think hard about the benefits of being tied to a network rather than just trying to cash a check. SEC schools are already and likely always going to be ahead in revenue generation. You can't allow them to dominate the content wars as well if you truly hope to compete with them.

The PAC12 is what it is, and will remain so because it's landlocked. It's not a coincidence that the Big 12 is now starting to whisper about the Long Horn Network and whether they should be trying to flip that to a conference network. The ACC and the Big 12 are locked in a death struggle to be brutally honest. A locked in, ESPN based network with a good payout and a longer grant of rights that gave schools a built in production arm would be beneficial to the conference in many ways given the changes to the digital landscape.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I'm not entirely sure that no network is a good thing, even if there is a decent check coming in to "shelve" it.

Big Ten and SEC schools have had to capitalize their networks, yes. But they now have an infrastructure to create content - staff, video facilities, multimedia production for recruiting and exposure - that virtually no ACC schools currently have. And many wouldn't have the stomach to invest in that area unless they had to.

BIG and SEC schools had to do so as a condition of their networks. Yes, their content is housed primarily on those networks but the secondary content they're now able to create and monetize indepently, or utilize for recruiting is highly impressive. Many of them had the money to begin with possibly, but they weren't investing in that area.

If you poke around the internet it's unreal what some of the SEC schools in particular are doing now that they have the pieces in place to create content.

My long-winded point simply is that everything from facilities to training table is an arms race now. This is no different. The ACC should think hard about the benefits of being tied to a network rather than just trying to cash a check. SEC schools are already and likely always going to be ahead in revenue generation. You can't allow them to dominate the content wars as well if you truly hope to compete with them.

The PAC12 is what it is, and will remain so because it's landlocked. It's not a coincidence that the Big 12 is now starting to whisper about the Long Horn Network and whether they should be trying to flip that to a conference network. The ACC and the Big 12 are locked in a death struggle to be brutally honest. A locked in, ESPN based network with a good payout and a longer grant of rights that gave schools a built in production arm would be beneficial to the conference in many ways given the changes to the digital landscape.

Very good football content comments and added another aspect to the adult discussion. Although you are correct about the ACC-BIG-12 are locked in a struggle, I just wonder if they could form an Alliance to create and share a Network for both, plus increased scheduling, or even merge to keep up with Big-10 & SEC?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Given the need for ESPN to air quality sports, keeping the ACC in the fold is important. If we can squeeze another 4-8M per team out of a new contract I would shelve the ACCN. Not having to capitalize the ACCN & increasing revenue is an easy decision for school boards!

I agree a tad but keeping up with Big-10 & SEC in not being too far behind from Total and Future Revenues is still important as TV Contracts come to an end in the next 8 years and to avoid defections and to look towards expansion to preserve the ACC.