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I noticed we had a steal and the ball was passed forward to Damon Wilson and he had numbers pretty much break away and for some reason he pulled back.I noticed it during the game, but it stands out more to me now.Why did you think he did that? To me you has to go strong to the rim there.The way I look at it should have had 9 to10 more points than we ended up with.All from missed lay ups and short makeable shots.I didn't count the missed foul shots.
 
I noticed we had a steal and the ball was passed forward to Damon Wilson and he had numbers pretty much break away and for some reason he pulled back.I noticed it during the game, but it stands out more to me now.Why did you think he did that? To me you has to go strong to the rim there.The way I look at it should have had 9 to10 more points than we ended up with.All from missed lay ups and short makeable shots.I didn't count the missed foul shots.
I think he had the yips a little, big stage and all.
 
There was another 2 on 1 where they didn't separate enough and didn't come close to getting a bucket. Don't recall who it was but it was UGLY.

This team just didn't seem to have that basketball IQ that we all talk about.
 
He didn't want to make a mistake because he knew Jamie would pull him immediately .. He had a clear path to the rim though .. Very odd play
Jamie didn't do that to him often in the regular season. Frankly, I was surprised to see him play at all.
 
He pretty much did anyway.If that's how things are going to be the program is in deep s#it.
It isn't. Another popular but false narrative. Only player I remember that being true for was JJ Moore, and I was always glad when he was pulled.
 
It isn't. Another popular but false narrative. Only player I remember that being true for was JJ Moore, and I was always glad when he was pulled.
Don't u find it odd that Josh Newkirk showed flashes of potential, and then all of a sudden it looked like he had lost all confidence in his game? He was good enough for a team going to the Sweet 16 to offer him a 'ship, and a coach that knows a few things about guard play. How about the comments made by Travon Woodall regarding JD. Pitt was playing poorly and then pulled ahead of S. Fla. The reporter asked him what adjustments were made, and Tra said he told coach that u just need to let us play. How about Trey Zeigler looking lost here, but then went to TCU and all of a sudden became a good player. JD is a system coach who is going to pound a square peg into a round hole. He wants robots for players.
 
It isn't. Another popular but false narrative. Only player I remember that being true for was JJ Moore, and I was always glad when he was pulled.

I remember it happening in Ashton's freshman year
 
Don't u find it odd that Josh Newkirk showed flashes of potential, and then all of a sudden it looked like he had lost all confidence in his game? He was good enough for a team going to the Sweet 16 to offer him a 'ship, and a coach that knows a few things about guard play. How about the comments made by Travon Woodall regarding JD. Pitt was playing poorly and then pulled ahead of S. Fla. The reporter asked him what adjustments were made, and Tra said he told coach that u just need to let us play. How about Trey Zeigler looking lost here, but then went to TCU and all of a sudden became a good player. JD is a system coach who is going to pound a square peg into a round hole. He wants robots for players.
Ziegler did not go to TCU and become a good player. his stats were worse than when he played at Pitt, he just had more of them because he played more minutes. Newkirk never moved his feet on defense. I think that annoyed Didon more than any offensive mistake he made.
 
There was another 2 on 1 where they didn't separate enough and didn't come close to getting a bucket. Don't recall who it was but it was UGLY.

This team just didn't seem to have that basketball IQ that we all talk about.

Cam missed 2 layups - I thought Cam Wright was back
 
I remember it happening in Ashton's freshman year
I didn't say it never happened, every coach does that, at least the successful ones. But the narrative that if a player makes one mistake ever and he gets yanked is patently false.
 
Ziegler did not go to TCU and become a good player. his stats were worse than when he played at Pitt, he just had more of them because he played more minutes. Newkirk never moved his feet on defense. I think that annoyed Didon more than any offensive mistake he made.

Yep. Ziegler is a TERRIBLE example. He played a lot of minutes but he stunk out loud.
 
I didn't say it never happened, every coach does that, at least the successful ones. But the narrative that if a player makes one mistake ever and he gets yanked is patently false.

Only player I remember that being true for...
 
Yep. Ziegler is a TERRIBLE example. He played a lot of minutes but he stunk out loud.
He made his bones by being a volume shooter, at a low percent, at mid major level schools. I was happy when we got him, then regretted it. I believe he shot at or around 20% for his career from 3, as a SG. I would have to check that though, but I am a lazy, lazy man.
 
Ziegler did not go to TCU and become a good player. his stats were worse than when he played at Pitt, he just had more of them because he played more minutes. Newkirk never moved his feet on defense. I think that annoyed Didon more than any offensive mistake he made.
Zeigler played with more confidence at TCU, and was better offensively and defensively. His scoring output and % were better. Newkirk lost all confidence in his game last year. The narrative on Khem Birch was he was soft, so he left. Well, ironically he was a very good rebounder and defender for UNLV and played hard. The problem is Dixon is a system guy who wants robots for players. The problem is players are not robots and a really, good coach knows to handle kids differently.
 
Zeigler played with more confidence at TCU, and was better offensively and defensively. His scoring output and % were better. Newkirk lost all confidence in his game last year. The narrative on Khem Birch was he was soft, so he left. Well, ironically he was a very good rebounder and defender for UNLV and played hard. The problem is Dixon is a system guy who wants robots for players. The problem is players are not robots and a really, good coach knows to handle kids differently.
Lol.....his shooting % went from 44% to 46%. Yeah, he really flew through the roof. You know what did go up most, his turnovers. They doubled. His 3 point shooting stayed flat at a robust 0%. Not bad for a guard.
 
Lol.....his shooting % went from 44% to 46%. Yeah, he really flew through the roof. You know what did go up most, his turnovers. They doubled. His 3 point shooting stayed flat at a robust 0%. Not bad for a guard.
2 pt%, FT%, assists, points per game all went up. Anyone that watched him play saw that he was an improved player who played with more confidence. They are a lot of guys recently who coincidentally showed a lack of confidence or development in their game. That could not possibly be coaching now could it. Did u ever play or coach the game beyond the Pee Wee level?
 
2 pt%, FT%, assists, points per game all went up. Anyone that watched him play saw that he was an improved player who played with more confidence. They are a lot of guys recently who coincidentally showed a lack of confidence or development in their game. That could not possibly be coaching now could it. Did u ever play or coach the game beyond the Pee Wee level?
(He played more minutes). He had a coach that didn't care how he played, of course he was more loose. You claim to have played and coached, but your posting history doesn't reflect it. 2% is not a significant increase in shooting %, surely not enough for you to be pounding your chest over, Coach.

Actually, his assists were worse, on a per minutes basis.

2 ppg came from FTs, so basically, his scoring went from 4 points to 8 + 2 FTs = 10 per game. The same Scoring rate per minute as at Pitt. Like I said, he didn't improve at all. Just played more minutes. And played them just as bad, if not worse.
 
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(He played more minutes). He had a coach that didn't care how he played, of course he was more loose. You claim to have played and coached, but your posting history doesn't reflect it. 2% is not a significant increase in shooting %, surely not enough for you to be pounding your chest over, Coach.

Actually, his assists were worse, on a per minutes basis.

2 ppg came from FTs, so basically, his scoring went from 4 points to 8 + 2 FTs = 10 per game. The same rate per minute as at Pitt. Like I said, he didn't improve at all. Just played more minutes. And played them just as bad, if not worse.
1) His PT was not doubled
2) His stats were better no matter how u want to try and manipulate it
3) I watched him play and he was better.
The End
 
1) His PT was not doubled
2) His stats were better no matter how u want to try and manipulate it
3) I watched him play and he was better.
The End
15 minutes to 27 is very close to doubled, right? Stats per minute is not manipulating anything. It is a real number that a person who doesn't lie about being a coach would understand. You don't know what you seeing, obviously.
 
Ziegler's shooting percentage at Pitt was .444. At TCU it was .465. Turnovers went from 1.1 to 2.0. Minutes were 15.5 to 27.3. His free throw attempts and percentage went up a bit at TCU. He was essentially the same player. I'm not a stat head into all the advanced metrics but if he was any better at TCU I'm willing to bet it was very marginal.
 
Ziegler's shooting percentage at Pitt was .444. At TCU it was .465. Turnovers went from 1.1 to 2.0. Minutes were 15.5 to 27.3. His free throw attempts and percentage went up a bit at TCU. He was essentially the same player. I'm not a stat head into all the advanced metrics but if he was any better at TCU I'm willing to bet it was very marginal.
I can't remember if his defense was adequate or not. But all this diverts from the original position of this being a bad guy to pick as the poster boy for doing better elsewhere. Outside Uchebo, I can't think of one guy who we had leave who did demonstrably better at his new school (which could be more indicative of recruiting misses). The book is still out on Newkirk, but I still think it's his bad defense more than his offense which drive Dixon, and Pitt fans, crazy.
 
15 minutes to 27 is very close to doubled, right? Stats per minute is not manipulating anything. It is a real number that a person who doesn't lie about being a coach would understand. You don't know what you seeing, obviously.
Did u factor in that Zeigler built up his numbers against cupcakes when he played for Pitt,
He didn't have the steal.Someone else knocked it loose and it was passed ahead to him.
I just watched the replay. He knocked it out of #22's hands, and then Jones passed it forward to him. It was not a clear layup. Hayes got back. It was a nice play by Wilson.
 
I can't remember if his defense was adequate or not. But all this diverts from the original position of this being a bad guy to pick as the poster boy for doing better elsewhere. Outside Uchebo, I can't think of one guy who we had leave who did demonstrably better at his new school (which could be more indicative of recruiting misses). The book is still out on Newkirk, but I still think it's his bad defense more than his offense which drive Dixon, and Pitt fans, crazy.

Birch turned into a pretty good player. Don't think he ever reached what a 5 star might be expected to but I think he averaged 9-10 pts and rebounds and was a 2 time MWC defensive player of the year. If he was a bit tougher or had thicker skin he'd have been a contributor here but he decided to leave pretty early on.

There will be those that say he wasn't given enough PT here but I remember a guy who was lazy defensively and often picked up cheap stupid fouls that got his arse on the bench.

And given his limited time and small sample size here he might not be the best example either.
 
Birch turned into a pretty good player. Don't think he ever reached what a 5 star might be expected to but I think he averaged 9-10 pts and rebounds and was a 2 time MWC defensive player of the year. If he was a bit tougher or had thicker skin he'd have been a contributor here but he decided to leave pretty early on.

There will be those that say he wasn't given enough PT here but I remember a guy who was lazy defensively and often picked up cheap stupid fouls that got his arse on the bench.

And given his limited time and small sample size here he might not be the best example either.

He wanted paid and the coach who was arranging that departed
 
Birch turned into a pretty good player. Don't think he ever reached what a 5 star might be expected to but I think he averaged 9-10 pts and rebounds and was a 2 time MWC defensive player of the year. If he was a bit tougher or had thicker skin he'd have been a contributor here but he decided to leave pretty early on.

There will be those that say he wasn't given enough PT here but I remember a guy who was lazy defensively and often picked up cheap stupid fouls that got his arse on the bench.

And given his limited time and small sample size here he might not be the best example either.

Khem Birch was a hell of a good college basketball player. Tough, a team leader, very hard worker, and one of the best natural shot blockers I've ever seen. Unfortunately he showed little of this at Pitt. It took awhile, but it was like a switch clicked on and he literally grew up emotionally.

Most NBA scouts I heard on the radio said the same thing about him. His spindly lower body combined with being an inch or two too short would always keep him on the fringes of the league. There is no way he would be able to keep much stronger NBA bigs from backing him down in the lane. He was one of the best players in the D-League and can get paid for playing basketball for many years, but I doubt he will ever play more than a handful of games in the league.

I wanted to hate him when he came to Las Vegas, but the guy played so hard it was impossible to do.
 
Did u factor in that Zeigler built up his numbers against cupcakes when he played for Pitt,

I just watched the replay. He knocked it out of #22's hands, and then Jones passed it forward to him. It was not a clear layup. Hayes got back. It was a nice play by Wilson.
Stats are stats. Please provide me TCU's schedule so I can compare. Thanks.
 
Zeiglier was a dissapointment here ,nowhere near as good as advertised. He was the star on his fathers team ,he choose Pitt over Duke and UCLA and couldn't crack the starting lineup here. When he left if he was so good why did he end up at TCU and not at a Duke or UCLA ?
Birch unfortunately for Pitt just didn't fit in with the guys. He was a 5* defender and rebounder but really had nothing offensively away from the hoop. He'd would have been a big plus had he stayed and developed , but with kids like him who are treated special everywhere they go he just couldn't cope with being treated as just another freshman. I talked with him up at Greentree he seemed very shy and soft spoken but polite. As I was talking to him a group of Pitt players started giving him the business ,nothing horrible ,but im sure all the hype effected them. The players there at the time probably know the whole story ,but it certainly hurt the program when he left.
 
Birch turned into a pretty good player. Don't think he ever reached what a 5 star might be expected to but I think he averaged 9-10 pts and rebounds and was a 2 time MWC defensive player of the year. If he was a bit tougher or had thicker skin he'd have been a contributor here but he decided to leave pretty early on.

There will be those that say he wasn't given enough PT here but I remember a guy who was lazy defensively and often picked up
Zeiglier was a dissapointment here ,nowhere near as good as advertised. He was the star on his fathers team ,he choose Pitt over Duke and UCLA and couldn't crack the starting lineup here. When he left if he was so good why did he end up at TCU and not at a Duke or UCLA ?
Birch unfortunately for Pitt just didn't fit in with the guys. He was a 5* defender and rebounder but really had nothing offensively away from the hoop. He'd would have been a big plus had he stayed and developed , but with kids like him who are treated special everywhere they go he just couldn't cope with being treated as just another freshman. I talked with him up at Greentree he seemed very shy and soft spoken but polite. As I was talking to him a group of Pitt players started giving him the business ,nothing horrible ,but im sure all the hype effected them. The players there at the time probably know the whole story ,but it certainly hurt the program when he left.
Part of a coaches job is to help build team chemistry. Dixon failed with Birch and this squad. We have been lacking good, team chemistry for awhile.
 
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