We have a bigger problem, and that's recruiting in general. This class as of now is very average at best. No big time play makers on offense or defense. College football is 80% recruiting and 20% coaching.
All I hear about is Pitt's DB's
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It doesn't look great right now but it's also October 31st. At this point last year Pitt only had 11 kids committed (according to the list on this site) but 13 more would commit between November and Signing Day. Hopefully the coaching staff finishes strong as they did in the last recruiting cycle.
My worry is on offense. I think the defensive recruiting will turn out fine. I am very worried about WR and not sold on QB moving forward.
Oddly enough, I think we're in the best shape we've been in for a long time on QBs. I like MacVittie and the transfer kid - and now the recruit is getting some good reports.
Agree on WRs -- we need to find a couple of good ones, and at least one who is a burner.
So far, I'm judging the recruiting on last years class, which I thought was sensational. Though losing a couple of top recruits to medical conditions hurts, there's still some big time players in that class. Too early to judge this class, could turn out pretty good if they finish strong.
Go Pitt.
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A great pass rush including creative blitz packages will transform even mediocore DB's into adequate performers.
Better athletes at the DB postion are necessary and as we add higher performing DLineman things will improve. I hope DC Conklin has the capability to keep the PITT defense moving in a positive direction as we add talent!
A great pass rush including creative blitz packages will transform even mediocore DB's into adequate performers.
Better athletes at the DB postion are necessary and as we add higher performing DLineman things will improve. I hope DC Conklin has the capability to keep the PITT defense moving in a positive direction as we add talent!
I am amazed with what Matt Canada is doing with MAC QB's and WR's. I've never seen a coaching job like this before. I mean this when I say I think Matt Canada should win that National Assistant Coach of the Year award. He wont but he should. What he has done with limited talent is incredible.
The question though becomes, how the heck do we get ACC-level WR's and QB's here?
I know he's not a game changer, but Peterman is not a MAC level quarterback.
To suggest that is asinine.
Wr? That's harder to say.
Pretty clear Henderson isn't. Coming in, Weah was an unknown.....glad he has proven some of us wrong. I think the main issue is youth.
We need to recruit better posters. We just got a 4 star kid this week... is that what was next on your list there PP? Well this week its recruiting, next week we will hit attendance and the week after something about a coach.
IMO the recruiting at this point isn't all that bad. The poor recruiting in the past has given
us very weak LB'rs and CB's. Chryst and Randolph brought in great O Linemen and were
bringing in a pretty decent QB in Hornibrook who went with Chryst to Wisconsin. Their LB'r and DB recruits were very poor, and we're presently feeling the results.
Narduzzi immediately signed decent DB's but they aren't ready yet, they're redshirting, and
Hamlin has now seen the field. These other guys Maddox, Lewis, Motely, Jackson should
never even be playing IMO, however given the injuries and the fact that our best are probably
frosh, we have to wait a year or two.
I feel Narduzzi's recruiting is decent given where this program is. He's made great moves on the
DLine with average recruits. I doubt anyone would have predicted Jarrett and Soto to be coached
up as as well as they have. The Lb'rs were average recruits and they are playing decently given
their talent. As far as the DB's...well you can only coach em up so far. They can't perform miracles
with smurfs who were 2 star recruits. 5-3 at this point is what was expected. We lost games where
we picked to lose. 7-5 is reasonable given what Nards is playing with.
us very weak LB'rs and CB's. Chryst and Randolph brought in great O Linemen and were
bringing in a pretty decent QB in Hornibrook who went with Chryst to Wisconsin. Their LB'r and DB recruits were very poor, and we're presently feeling the results.
Narduzzi immediately signed decent DB's but they aren't ready yet, they're redshirting, and
Hamlin has now seen the field. These other guys Maddox, Lewis, Motely, Jackson should
never even be playing IMO, however given the injuries and the fact that our best are probably
frosh, we have to wait a year or two.
I feel Narduzzi's recruiting is decent given where this program is. He's made great moves on the
DLine with average recruits. I doubt anyone would have predicted Jarrett and Soto to be coached
up as as well as they have. The Lb'rs were average recruits and they are playing decently given
their talent. As far as the DB's...well you can only coach em up so far. They can't perform miracles
with smurfs who were 2 star recruits. 5-3 at this point is what was expected. We lost games where
we picked to lose. 7-5 is reasonable given what Nards is playing with.
Well he's certainly not a MAC level QB like the ones Central Michigan, Western Michigan, or Toledo have-all 3 of whom are markedly better players than Nate.
But I get your point. Peterman is quite a bit better than he gets credit for here. He's not a guy that's going to put his team on his back and win it games, but he's very solid at executing our offense. He has done a very nice job this season.
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I agree. Peterman has played better than any Pitt QB i can remember.
I can remember a decent handful as good or better but I think he has done a nice job and he's been doing it with a lack of big time weapons. He certainly isn't a weak point on this team.
Agree. Chryst, like Walt, seemed to ignore certain positions in recruiting. Few years down the line... worst run defense, worst pass defense, whatever it got bad. Narduzzi is going to get really big-time recruits but it will be a process.
Hamlin the other day was talking about choosing Pitt. Said he liked the challenge of Nardduzi's scheme relying on the CBs in man coverage. In a couple years Narduzzi can sell a program that competes for the conference crown most years. Maybe after that kids will come to be the star of the best defense in the country or something crazy like that.
It won't happen overnight though. Let's see what a full team of Narduzzi recruits look like and then after if he can keep raising the level of recruits we get. For now though I personally think he's doing an incredible job with this program considering what poor talent we have at most positions.
Other than Marino, Van Pelt, Congemi, Rutherford, maybe Palko. Who has been better than Peterman over the last 10 years?
Just a slight tweak and we are almost a sure thing for the division title this year.
Garbutt and Wade are still on the board, both would substantially raise our class ranking. You would think Wade would be down to Pitt/Psu with the turmoil going on at Tenn. Wade is set for an official to PSU this Saturday for another whiteout against Iowa. Does anyone know when he will be using his official to Pitt?
I think Peterman is a better college QB than Savage. While playing here at Pitt.
I bet the numbers back that up. By years end
I'm going to go back 20 years as that is when I came to Pitt and started attending games. In looking at individual seasons, a few stand out recently as being better or in the same neighborhood as Peterman's current 152 QB rating w/ 1519 yds and TD/INT ratio of 12/3:
Rod Rutherford's senior season (157) 3679 yds 37 TD/14 INT
Tyler Palko's senior season (163) 2871 yds 25 TD/9 INT
Pete Gonzalez senior season (147) 2657 yds 30 TD/7 INT
John Turman's senior season (151) 2135 yds 18 TD/7 INT
Tino Sunseri's senior season (152) 3288 yds 21 TD/3 INT
Bill Stull's senior season (151) 2633 yds 21 TD/8 INT
Tom Savage's senior season (138) 2958 yds 21 TD/9 INT
David Priestley's senior season (138) 2128 yds 18 TD/8 INT
I'm not taking away anything from Peterman's performance...its been great. And I realize he hasn't had a ton of weapons, though he has had more recently. I'm just pointing out that we have seen some pretty solid to great seasons from QBs. And when I think back to a few of these guys (namely Sunseri), I don't really remember their numbers being so good.
Edit: looking back at Van Pelt's numbers, they weren't that great. He just started all four years and amassed some impressive totals (I realize his teams mainly sucked...just thought his numbers were better).
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I have a lot of respect for Peterman, and I think he's getting a lot out of what he's got to work with.
HIs one negative is that he doesn't have the "big arm": his long completions have been of the "catch 'n run" variety, such as Ordoff's big play last week, and most of Henderson's, too. Some of Pitt's past QBs (Rutherford and Savage, to name two) could really lay the ball out there in front of a streaking WR. But I don't think Peterman can hit Weah with a true long pass, which is unfortunate since Weah has the speed to go deep.
I agree with you on the deep ball. Still given time he has shown the ability to throw strikes.
My only grip with Peterman is he seems to tighten up on big 3rd downs. He doesn't seem to have that confidence when the game is on the line. Or when its a must to convert on a big 3rd down.
I call that the IT FACTOR. Some kids have it. Some kids don't.
Hoping one day Pitt finds that QB that thrives in situations like that. When we do. Expect big things to happen
Good point. ^^^What you said^^, and Peterman's tendency for "tunnel vision": he rarely looks-off his primary receiver, and I can't recall a play where he pump-faked one way, then threw another.
Sometimes, though, I don't know whether it's "him" on 3rd-down, or was it the play selection? If you notice, his numbers got much better when he started throwing on first down more often.
