That you actually would be okay with Jeff Capel and his staff returning for another season because (how much worse can it get) just shows how far we have fallen, it’s embarrassing.
All of you who are so traumatized…
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Put down the Jim Beam, there will be hell to pay tomorrow, believe me I know.
Nice try on the joke, wasn’t funny, I don’t drink liquor, I drink lagunitas, anyway, now that your joke has failed, please inform me why you think Jeff should return?
Maybe wait until the season is over to make that judgement? And who is traumatized by anything having to do with college basketball?
They cant afford to keep him another year, they lose money every time the Petes lights come on.
I don't think he should return, where did you get that idea? He should not have been extended, but I am not being paid thousands of dollars to make that decision, and those who do appear to be very much in favor of his program.
Please inform me what indication that you see that he will be fired if he wins 5 or 5+ ACC games this year, it is not going to happen, IMO.
I am so traumatized that yea, I would rather take my chances with this lineup next year instead of having a buyout paid to hire whoever wins the CAA or SoCon
PG - transfer
SG - Burton
SF - Odukale
PF - transfer
C - Hugley
6th/7th - Horton/Sibande
If we get 2 good transfers and the other guys improve, that's a possible NCAAT team. I'd rather watch that next year and if Capel sucks again, you can get your MM coach in March 2023.
Yes it does but we got 2 good ones (and almost got highly sought-after West) when Capel had NOTHING to sell. With Hugley and the others, he can now sell a semi-realistic chance at the NCAAT.
Horton starts over Femi.
As to the OP, all factors have to be considered. Obviously, there is a case to be made to move on. But as I said in another thread (and SMF is pointing out here), I think we'd be in even worse shape with a new coach coming in. Unless that coach is bringing some players with him, our roster would be blown up. And I think we have some pieces - pieces with multiple years of eligibility left - that have the potential to grow together and get better the next couple of years. If JC can fill in the blanks, we could be good.
Then there's JC's contract. It'd be one thing if he only had a couple of years left. But he doesn't. The school's probably looking at a big buyout. If we take another step back next year, I think the school will have a better case to move on and have to pay out less money to do it.
It’s still a crap shoot in the portal when you can’t pull the best players in it. Also, you have no idea who’s returning next year, if you think everyone is, you are living a pipe dream.
Right. Its why I say you don't pay the massive buyout yet unless you get a "guarantee." A MM coach is going to go 3-17 in the ACC next year with a brand new roster of 12 new players and we'll be down to crowds of 500 instead of 1000.
We have suffered long enough. Give me Hugley and the guards and I'll take my chances next year. I DONT WANT ANOTHER REBUILD NEXT YEAR.
Okay but here’s the thing, there are no guarantees on the roster no matter who the coach is. I like Hugley a lot, but he too is replaceable. But I’m willing to wait and see how the rest of the year plays out. Given the body of work over his tenure here, Capel is not in a good position.
So basically Jeff Capel is awful but we’re scared that if we let him go we’ll be even more awful?
For 22-23, yes. A MM coach is going to be really bad next year with a new roster. Its a season where we all just have to go through the motions again and hope he can land some good recruits for the future. If Capel returns his best players, that will be a better team than a MM coach can assemble so you just have to wait one year, that's it for your MM guy. If we can get Pitino in 2 months, then by all means do it
If Chris Collins gets fired at Northwestern, I sure hope his buddy Capel hires him and Nance and Bui Buie both transfer to Pitt. This is how desperate I've become with Pitt hoops.
I was fully on board the fire capel train earlier this year. But I am in wait-and-see mode. I think the buyout factors in and I also think the ability to keep these players for another year factors in. Mark Whipple should have been fired before 2021 but kept his job because we wanted to keep Kenny Pickett. And that worked out well. It’s not exactly the same, but it could be similar for capel if that means keeping the key players.
There is no doubt it is a sad state of affairs when keeping a coach as unsuccessful as capel is is even a consideration. But I think the reality is it might not be worth pulling the plug on him after this year just yet.
I would still be willing to fire him though if key players transfer out after the year. Even if they are respectable down the stretch and win some games here. To me having a decent roster next year is critical and we could have that if key pieces stay.
There is no doubt it is a sad state of affairs when keeping a coach as unsuccessful as capel is is even a consideration. But I think the reality is it might not be worth pulling the plug on him after this year just yet.
I would still be willing to fire him though if key players transfer out after the year. Even if they are respectable down the stretch and win some games here. To me having a decent roster next year is critical and we could have that if key pieces stay.
Well stated and more importantly:
You don't seem traumatized at all.
It seems that the posters who are traumatized are actually the ones who moan continuously. Everyone knows that this team is bad, but it's okay to be happy with a win, or be complimentary towards players that are improving or playing hard. It's okay to try to find a little joy in the midst of a bad situation.
I can envision some of you demanding to know why a poor or disabled person is smiling or laughing when you think their life obviously sucks.
For the sake of some of your wives or families, I hope constantly whining about a basketball team is some kind of release or coping mechanism that enables you to handle real life setbacks with some kind of equanimity.
As far as Capel returning, I'm content with Lyke watching the rest of the season and making a decision. I'm not a big donor or an alum, so maybe that is why I don't care as much as some of you. But if there is anything in my life I'm going to be embarrassed about, it's certainly not the state of Pitt basketball.
I can envision some of you demanding to know why a poor or disabled person is smiling or laughing when you think their life obviously sucks.
For the sake of some of your wives or families, I hope constantly whining about a basketball team is some kind of release or coping mechanism that enables you to handle real life setbacks with some kind of equanimity.
As far as Capel returning, I'm content with Lyke watching the rest of the season and making a decision. I'm not a big donor or an alum, so maybe that is why I don't care as much as some of you. But if there is anything in my life I'm going to be embarrassed about, it's certainly not the state of Pitt basketball.
Common sense on a message board is so uncommon.
Reasonable statement. You obviously don't belong here.
Saying burton can’t shoot is really a tad bit unfair. He isn’t the greatest shooter but does shoot 35% from three.
tell me you haven't watched a game this year without telling me you haven't watched a game this year
Shooting won't be as big of an issue next season. Burton is an average shooter and Horton and Sibande are above average. And perhaps the transfer PG can shoot.
There is enough talent on that team to make the NCAAT. Dixon got teams with less talent in.
That would mean accepting its reset to year 1. And Jeff had a longer learning curve at this than anyone expected. That's another tough sell for some folks.
Re-read my post and digest it all. I'm not convinced we will be awful. My post had an optimistic tone about some of the players we have. It will be on JC to get some other good players to fill our needs. I also said all factors have to be considered. That includes his contract situation.
I think if we fired him and a MM coach came in and landed transfers as good as Hugley, Femi, Burton, etc, we'd all be downright giddy....for a guy who we have no clue if he can coach or not. So the point is, we can have that roster WITH Capel and lets see how he does. Its his last chance and we save $3 million in buyout money.
Tell me you think Burton and Femi are 3 point weapons on the wing.
For the record, I really like Burton as a player. He and Huggy are carrying this team. But he's not exactly JJ Redick shooting the ball from deep.
Femi at the 3 is taking a knife to a gunfight. Kinda like having a first baseman that can't hit for power.
I think this is a very fair take. We have 11 games left. Our results should and will dictate Capel’s future. As much as I’m pleased with better results, it would not be sincere for me to suggest that I think the next 11 games will demonstrate something different than what we’ve already seen to this point. But I will wait for the actual evidence.
Yeah I think having a good showing the rest of the way is important. But I also think keeping key players is just as important. If we win five or six games but Hugely transfers I would consider moving on. Hugely is critical.
Your whole point comes down to you'd rather be mediocre or maybe if everything falls right a little better than medicore next year and then completely rebuild the year after next then just get on with it and start rebuilding next year.
And you are certainly entitled to that opinion, but in the long run it's a dumb way to run a program.
To be honest Joe, I don’t think any answer at this point makes more sense than any other. It’s something of a gamble in any direction we go.
Our Pitt Hoops life was so much less complicated when our biggest controversy was how high our NCAA tournament seed would be.
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