And all you do is try to be as negative as one could possibly be about anything about Pitt bb . Your everywhere when they lose and pretty hard to find when they win . Too bad they don’t win more !
Any chance at improvement rests with the portal, so..
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Agree. Too bad they don’t win more.
Maybe someone should do something to try and change that!
Lol wonder why that is…
I was here on the UNc game thread the entire time. You ignore any positive content from me.
there’s more negative because the program is a dumpster fire
4 year ACC record: 21-50
Overall: 51-65
2022-3 Recruits: 0
Overall: 51-65
2022-3 Recruits: 0
- John staying shouldn't be that difficult
- Replacing Gueye will be difficult but others have to produce more
- Replacing Onye and Jeffress will be a piece of cake as both are low major/NEC-type role players
Yea. He’s been such a dynamic recruiter, replacing those guys - nothing to it.
The roster that he built is full of guys who need to be replaced.
No , I give you kudos when I see them !
The programs a mess and like I just told Gary it all starts at the top . Until the big wigs really want to win Pitts going to be a tough job for anyone who’d take the job to be successful enough to please the fans spoiled by the good yrs of JD .
Correct. There is nothing to replacing Jeffress and Onye. They are low major D1 players. Anyone who enters the portal from Bryant or Morgan State are easy replacements. Replacing Gueye will be difficult.
BballinsiderfromPitt would have you believe the 2 kids at IUP and Cal are better and based on stats and projections, I would agree.
And if that's the case, then Capel has to go. He cannot be allowed to turn over a roster every year. If he was Musselman that would be one thing. But if he keeps getting 2 and done players but cant win, then what's the point?
Based on his history replacing anyone and upgrading to a player good enough will not be easy.
He gets credit for Gueye. But I’ll never ever believe anyone (including Capel or Gueye himself) ever would have thought he’d be what he is.
He got lucky with Gueye just like Forbes got lucky with Alondis Williams. Just like Dixon got lucky with Ontario Lett. A lot of this is luck
I know everyone thought Justin was a two yr guy !
Every kid on scholarship at Duke or Kentucky would be the highest rated recruit at Pitt ( or most schools ) funny how a lot of them are busts !
Every #1 draft is a stud , not !
Luck does play a part as does having an eye for talent .
ps … I’m sure Mo has exceeded expectations and Burton was a great get . Two or three players similar to Burton would make Pitt a pretty good team next season .
Every kid on scholarship at Duke or Kentucky would be the highest rated recruit at Pitt ( or most schools ) funny how a lot of them are busts !
Every #1 draft is a stud , not !
Luck does play a part as does having an eye for talent .
ps … I’m sure Mo has exceeded expectations and Burton was a great get . Two or three players similar to Burton would make Pitt a pretty good team next season .
Yikes! For some reason that thought did not cross my mind, but that maybe the one thing to drag him off in terms of going to another school, and of course$$$$$$
Why would he go somewhere that didn’t really want him in the first place ?
Is it impossible to believe that maybe he likes it at Pitt ?
It’s certainly possible he likes it at Pitt and will stay. But the “didn’t really want him in the first place” thing ain’t it. You think Gueye thought well Pitt never wanted me so eff them when Capel first contacted him? I’m sure kids end up in places where the coaches didn’t even know their names in high school nevermind just not wanting them.
Not at all, but there is another world out there. A world of top 20 teams, "Tournament Teams" , etc. I am not sure if JH ever followed Ohio State but there is a good chance that in his world OSU is a big deal to friends, family etc. Now if through back channels it is sent out that there is a need for his skills there, and that opportunity to play in that environment.....it is not as if John Hugley is going to stay in Pittsburgh a minute after the program has exhausted its usefulness to him.
The Portal giveth and the Portal taketh away.
Big John was a all state Ohio bb player . Mo never heard of Pitt !
In your scenario any good player not at a top 20 program will pick up and leave . Some will and some won’t .
I never suggested anyone was going to leave. If you read this:
I felt it was a stretch to think Hugley would leave, but I never thought of the allure of playing for a home school Goliath, hence my interjection of the term "Yikes."
Also if you read the post closely the term"maybe" is used, maybe (probably should be may be) Maybe- adverb 1. Used to indicate uncertainty or possibility.
I am not sure why you think I believe he is going anywhere, but as I stated, if OSU came calling it has an allure that is absent at Pitt right now, I don't know what else to say if you don't see that aspect.
Of course he can leave , I’m just saying maybe he’s happy in his current circumstances .
Fair enough but you’re assuming every kid is the same. I’m sure some would not go to schools that they feel spurned them. But I’m equally sure there would be some who would go in a heartbeat if it was a place they always wanted to play.
Certainly, but all things considered Pitt will be hard pressed to make NCAAT next year and that is where these kids want to be in March. 24 more months from now is a long time in the career of a college kid.
To me, the most telling thing in this whole thread is that a 6-14 conference record in his 4th season with zero recruits signed for next year is not seen by many as a “disaster.” That is how low the expectations for this program have gotten. A program that for a dozen years had Sweet Sixteen or better expectations each season.
Now, if he went 6-14 with a bunch of promising young players just getting their feet wet playing in the ACC and a recruiting class filled with promise, that would be one thing. But, the only promising young player on this roster is Hugley. Does anyone really care if Santos and Collier and Jeffress leave?
That we are even having this conversation illustrates what a sad state of affairs Pitt basketball has become.
Now, if he went 6-14 with a bunch of promising young players just getting their feet wet playing in the ACC and a recruiting class filled with promise, that would be one thing. But, the only promising young player on this roster is Hugley. Does anyone really care if Santos and Collier and Jeffress leave?
That we are even having this conversation illustrates what a sad state of affairs Pitt basketball has become.
Everything you said is correct and, as you say, telling. Another telling thing I find amazing is the thought, or more so the worry that if we cut loose JC, we’ll end up with something worse.
I guess that comes from the JC to KS fiasco but I don’t think that’s a good way to go about assessing future plans of action.
Who knows who’d have been hired if it wasn’t for Sonny Varraco finding Ben Howland for them , then when he left for UCLA after orchestrating an amazing turnaround Pitt was forced to hire an untested assistant because no one they wanted wanted the job . Thank goodness for that , because JD gave us the best best 10 yrs of bb we’ve ever seen at Pitt . When Pitt plateaued under JD the natives got restless and we ended up with KS and now JC . Replacing JC really has no downside except for the amount of cash it will cost , a cost that I don’t think the university wants to bare . Can Pitt do better than JC , absolutely , can Pitt do worse than JC absolutely , the problem is considering all these past decisions do I have any confidence that Pitt would make a good decision on whom to hire next , no I don’t . Plus I don’t think right now it’s a very attractive job regardless of the pay to attract any desirable coach . The three game winning streak bought them another yr of hoping JC rights the ship and Pitts going to take it .
