Not even going to focus on another miracle play by (insert team) to beat us so let me ask about Voytik. He wasn't great last year but he was a big step up from Tino and I was hoping for a kinda breakout year from him this fall. Amazingly, he has looked awful - can't throw the ball downfield at all. What gives?? The regression in my opinion is startling.
Any reason for Voytik's miserable start??
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They aren't giving him a chance to throw the ball downfield.
They just call pitch plays and handoffs when he is in the game.
He was 1 for 2 on Saturday.
If there is regression blame the QB coach. Chaney is a joke.
They just call pitch plays and handoffs when he is in the game.
He was 1 for 2 on Saturday.
If there is regression blame the QB coach. Chaney is a joke.
The former staff made a decision at about the midway point of last year to simplify the offense for Chad's benefit. They stopped asking him to read the entire field and instead just asked him to be a one or two reads and go guy. They also started featuring him on a bunch of QB sweeps and other designed runs too. Basically, they really protected him and he did play - not great, just okay - with that protection.
This year, he has not progressed and the Tennessee transfer has looked substantially better because, well, he's a more talented football player.
I would not give up on Chad just yet but his clock is definitely ticking and it is time for things to click if he is to fulfill his aspirations.
This year, he has not progressed and the Tennessee transfer has looked substantially better because, well, he's a more talented football player.
I would not give up on Chad just yet but his clock is definitely ticking and it is time for things to click if he is to fulfill his aspirations.
It's pretty obvious now that he fit much better in Chryst's offensive scheme.But, I do have to agree he's hardly had a chance to display what he can really do so far.Peterman was going to be the number one all along or it looks like it at least.
I think that is very good explanation and may I add...Chad also is a perfectionist and gets upset if one small thing is missed, and can lose his focus as well as stare down another Teammate that might have made mistakes. Chad should still be used in every game as QB Runner and Trick plays and start and finish some Games, just to get the other Defense guessing more and that requires more snaps at practice?
I still see this Coaching Staff still learning about the talents, skills, and attitude of all the players. It takes time adjusting and learning to and from each other?
Yet, they look further ahead than Chryst, Graham or Wannstedt ever did in their first year, in my opinion.
Recruits are going to start to see the improvements, discipline, speed and hitting, in this Coaching Staff and will start coming to Pitt if this continues all year!
Chad and Whitehead on offense a few plays a game will do wonders as soon as the coaching thinks it is able to incorporate it. I would be putting Whitehead in there just to learn and get comfortable if something happens to Boyd. Still, that takes time from the Coaches knowing that is tough for a Freshmen to learn all those plays and Defense too!
Coaches and Players are learning just the plays, systems and game planning that players can execute, and learning what the limits are among each other takes more time too!
Game by Game will be the measurements now, but i love to see Half-Time Adjustments something I did not see from Wannstedt until his Third Year and that was rare afterwards too.
Learning what Voytik could do and adjust to on the Running Plays took Chryst/Rudolph 4 Games last year and 2 of them losses?
Graham never was able ti implement his No Huddle much and blamed his Players more than his Coaches?
I see Coach Pat & Staff far ahead of Wannstedt, Graham, and Chryst at least in these 3 Games with all 3 Units of Offense, Defense and Special Teams compared to their first year and often 3rd years at Pitt?
Chryst, Wannstedt & Harris often had inconsistency all year long as they lost a few games late in the season on bone head coaching calls and horrible judgment from their own Game Calling and Planning???
Harris in 2000 lost 5 of his last 8 games, then in 2001 lost 5 of his first 6 games, in 2002 he lost to A&M, Notre Dame, Miami, and WVU by 7 points or less, and early, and mid-season, and 2 of last 3 games? On some bone head coaching calls? Harris showed the same inconsistency of his Team losing more near the end of the season than at the start in 2003 too?
Wannstedt needed 3 seasons just to get his Team to learn how to win in his 4th season and in 2008 blew the Bowling Green, Cincy & Oregon State Games, in 2009 he won 10 games but lost ti UNC, WVU, and UCincy by less than 7 points and 2 of those games happen near the end of the year, and in 2010 Utah, ND, and UConn was lost by a few points as Miami and WVU blew Pitt out as Wannstedt was ousted by Pederson!
Graham & Staff comes in and blows Iowa and ND early Games, and then blowouts by Rutgers and Utah then later that season lost close one to UCincy and WVU, so much for end of year improvements?
Chryst's Head Coaching Tuition happen in 2012 when he and his Staff got beat by YSU & UCincy looking like a Kid lost on the sidelines, after taking months to find his Coaching Staff that was not all completed until May of that Year???? Add in close losses to Cuse & ULou near Mid-End-Season and his Head Coaching learning on Special Teams cost those games ND & UConn near the end of season???
In 2013, Chryst's Own Coaching Of Only His Special Teams blew Navy, GT, UNC and Miami Games, followed by bad calls in Iowa, UVA, Duke and UNC poor calls and Special Teams, followed by Houston Bowl Game in 2014?
So, we shall see how Coach Pat & Staff all year long too, with a very tough schedule that gets tougher later in the season and cannot afford anymore key injuries?
I don't really see Voytik engineering that last TD drive like Peterman did. Peterman hasn't looked like a world beater (yet) but I attribute a lot of his early season scuffling to rust and learning the new system. Hopefully what he flashed at the end of the game was his true talent and not merely an aberration. Voytik has had the same flashes of greatness, too.
Not at that point in the game, if he hadn't seen much of any action. I think the defense would have been able to stack the line with little threat of him throwing there. Peterman was hitting on all of the short stuff, I think he would have at least kept the D semi-honest.
Wannstedt needed 3 seasons just to get his Team to learn how to win in his 4th season and in 2008 blew the Bowling Green, Cincy & Oregon State Games, in 2009 he won 10 games but lost ti UNC, WVU, and UCincy by less than 7 points and 2 of those games happen near the end of the year, and in 2010 Utah, ND, and UConn was lost by a few points as Miami and WVU blew Pitt out as Wannstedt was ousted by Pederson!
Graham & Staff comes in and blows Iowa and ND early Games, and then blowouts by Rutgers and Utah then later that season lost close one to UCincy and WVU, so much for end of year improvements?
Chryst's Head Coaching Tuition happen in 2012 when he and his Staff got beat by YSU & UCincy looking like a Kid lost on the sidelines, after taking months to find his Coaching Staff that was not all completed until May of that Year???? Add in close losses to Cuse & ULou near Mid-End-Season and his Head Coaching learning on Special Teams cost those games ND & UConn near the end of season???
In 2013, Chryst's Own Coaching Of Only His Special Teams blew Navy, GT, UNC and Miami Games, followed by bad calls in Iowa, UVA, Duke and UNC poor calls and Special Teams, followed by Houston Bowl Game in 2014?
So, we shall see how Coach Pat & Staff all year long too, with a very tough schedule that gets tougher later in the season and cannot afford anymore key injuries?[/QUOTE]
Great points on where the coaches are at this point. Pitt fans should be more concerned about how this team is prepared to play, how they play, and how they respond from week to week.
So far pretty good. Yeah I wanted the win badly but the fools on this board with no patience should stick to the fantasy leagues. Channey is OK and I expect doing the best he can without JC. Chad is not his fault. I will be satisfied if Pitt is in every game as they were in Iowa.
Hail to Pitt
Graham & Staff comes in and blows Iowa and ND early Games, and then blowouts by Rutgers and Utah then later that season lost close one to UCincy and WVU, so much for end of year improvements?
Chryst's Head Coaching Tuition happen in 2012 when he and his Staff got beat by YSU & UCincy looking like a Kid lost on the sidelines, after taking months to find his Coaching Staff that was not all completed until May of that Year???? Add in close losses to Cuse & ULou near Mid-End-Season and his Head Coaching learning on Special Teams cost those games ND & UConn near the end of season???
In 2013, Chryst's Own Coaching Of Only His Special Teams blew Navy, GT, UNC and Miami Games, followed by bad calls in Iowa, UVA, Duke and UNC poor calls and Special Teams, followed by Houston Bowl Game in 2014?
So, we shall see how Coach Pat & Staff all year long too, with a very tough schedule that gets tougher later in the season and cannot afford anymore key injuries?[/QUOTE]
Great points on where the coaches are at this point. Pitt fans should be more concerned about how this team is prepared to play, how they play, and how they respond from week to week.
So far pretty good. Yeah I wanted the win badly but the fools on this board with no patience should stick to the fantasy leagues. Channey is OK and I expect doing the best he can without JC. Chad is not his fault. I will be satisfied if Pitt is in every game as they were in Iowa.
Hail to Pitt
I would say it is more like Chryst was willing/forced to adjust his game plan to fit Voytik's strengths.
Chaney doesn't have to taylor his game plan to voytik because he has more options beyond Voytik.
If you look at voytik's stats last year, he threw the ball downfield sometimes, but really not all that often. In the last 6 games, his long pass were 53, 23, 48, 59, 49, and 40 yards. That's pretty impressive. The unimpressive part is that those long passes usually account for an alarming amount of his total passing yards for the game.
Cap--I do think it would be a good idea to get Whitehead on the field for some offensive snaps. He's that talented and after Boyd we don''t have his equal on the offensive side.
CV looks very uncomfortable right now when he comes into the game. He actually looks kind of stressed to me, like maybe he's trying to hard and/or he's not completely comfortable yet with the new offense. This may translate into Chaney being super conservative when CV is in the game.
Whatever it is, we can't afford to have a QB come in for two super conservative possessions. We need to go to NP being the guy and come up a creative package of plays for CV to run whenever he may come in -- including some CV running plays -- to give the defense something else to worry about.
Go Pitt.
Whatever it is, we can't afford to have a QB come in for two super conservative possessions. We need to go to NP being the guy and come up a creative package of plays for CV to run whenever he may come in -- including some CV running plays -- to give the defense something else to worry about.
Go Pitt.
Voytik is short for a QB; therefore, his vision from the pocket is limited.. Chryst was willing to work with him and design a game plan for him. Chaney and Narduzzi do not appear to be as accommodating. They seem to need/desire a prototypical Big 10 / SEC QB to run the current offense.
Another issue may be this years O-Line may not be opening up passing lanes like last years.
Another issue may be this years O-Line may not be opening up passing lanes like last years.
Agreed. It seems as though Chad's learning curve isn't what this coaching staff would like it to be.
And apparently Chryst & Co. felt the same way, since they modified the offense at mid-season.
I don't know how you could say he's looked better or is a much better player.
Chad hasn't been given a chance this year. Eight passes at Akron and two passes at Iowa.
All Peterman has done is throw 3 INTs in 3 games.
I just think Peterman looks much better throwing the football. His throws have much more velocity and look more accurate too.
He has thrown a few interceptions. The interception in the end zone the other night was a poor decision by him.
I just think the offense looks more dynamic with him under center. It looks more vertical and it stretches the defense all over the field because of his superior arm strength.
Remember too that while we are counting the interceptions, we should also be counting touchdown passes. Peterman has made some throws this year that Voytik has never made in his entire career here.
Please understand that I am a big Chad fan. He seems like a great kid and is obviously a good leader. I don't think his book has been completely written just yet.
Also, I don't think Peterman is the next Dan Marino by any means. Hell, I'm not sure if he's the next John Turman. I think he's a mediocre Division I quarterback. I just happen to think that the guy that he's competing with is a lesser quality player than that.
As for the chances Chad has been given by the staff, there's probably some truth to that. They have not exactly opened up the playbook for the kid.
Then again, what has Chad done to deserve that? Personally, I haven't seen it. What I saw last year was a poor player in the first half of the season and a mediocre player in the second half. I had hoped to see some progression this year and clearly that has not happened. So enter Nate. It's just that simple.
The priority is Pitt, not Chad.
I don't think any of us knows how either player has looked in practice. However, based on what I had heard from the people who were watching Pitt's preseason practices, and who were willing to share their thoughts with me, Peterman looked like the significantly better talent. Better arm, better accuracy, better player.
I do know that what I've seen so far in the games, I too would have chosen Peterman over Voytik. Also, if I'm being entirely honest with you, I think it is much more likely that barring injury, Chad will likely see fewer opportunities going forward than he has in the first three games.
He has thrown a few interceptions. The interception in the end zone the other night was a poor decision by him.
I just think the offense looks more dynamic with him under center. It looks more vertical and it stretches the defense all over the field because of his superior arm strength.
Remember too that while we are counting the interceptions, we should also be counting touchdown passes. Peterman has made some throws this year that Voytik has never made in his entire career here.
Please understand that I am a big Chad fan. He seems like a great kid and is obviously a good leader. I don't think his book has been completely written just yet.
Also, I don't think Peterman is the next Dan Marino by any means. Hell, I'm not sure if he's the next John Turman. I think he's a mediocre Division I quarterback. I just happen to think that the guy that he's competing with is a lesser quality player than that.
As for the chances Chad has been given by the staff, there's probably some truth to that. They have not exactly opened up the playbook for the kid.
Then again, what has Chad done to deserve that? Personally, I haven't seen it. What I saw last year was a poor player in the first half of the season and a mediocre player in the second half. I had hoped to see some progression this year and clearly that has not happened. So enter Nate. It's just that simple.
The priority is Pitt, not Chad.
I don't think any of us knows how either player has looked in practice. However, based on what I had heard from the people who were watching Pitt's preseason practices, and who were willing to share their thoughts with me, Peterman looked like the significantly better talent. Better arm, better accuracy, better player.
I do know that what I've seen so far in the games, I too would have chosen Peterman over Voytik. Also, if I'm being entirely honest with you, I think it is much more likely that barring injury, Chad will likely see fewer opportunities going forward than he has in the first three games.
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For me the bottom line is though I was obviously disappointed in the end result, I also came out of Saturday evening's game more confident about Pitt's quarterback situation than I have since Tom Savage graduated.
Now, that probably says more about Pitt than it does Peterman. However, at the end of the day that's all semantics. You have to play with the hand you're dealt and I think Narduzzi has settled on the better of the two quarterbacks.
Let's be real though, we are talking about the Pitt Panthers. Do you really expect Peterman to escape the season uninjured? I certainly do not. I expect to lose him at the most critical juncture possible, thrusting Voytik into emergency action. Hopefully he takes advantage of that opportunity when it invariably presents itself.
Now, that probably says more about Pitt than it does Peterman. However, at the end of the day that's all semantics. You have to play with the hand you're dealt and I think Narduzzi has settled on the better of the two quarterbacks.
Let's be real though, we are talking about the Pitt Panthers. Do you really expect Peterman to escape the season uninjured? I certainly do not. I expect to lose him at the most critical juncture possible, thrusting Voytik into emergency action. Hopefully he takes advantage of that opportunity when it invariably presents itself.
Not my Pay Grade & Not my call, and re-runs of miss opportunities that could turn out to be bigger mistakes or great payoffs is not my thing.
I just saw Pitt Players play tougher and all game long on Offense, Defense, and Special Teams and still was in the Game in the last minute, and mistakes were made by both Teams and Coaches and Players!
All I know is it sure beast watching UNC, Duke, and Houston Games being loss after the Offense played great all game long, and then Defense falling apart and the Coaches stupid Special Teams poor coaching let down those Players and Fans!
I am not going to cry or complain about what might have been if this call was made, or this play was taken, or this kick was made that that was the second longest in over 100 year Iowa History!
Especially when the Pitt Players did not quit all game long on all 3 Units?
"KennyTheKangaroo, post: 342230, member: 2602"]I would say it is more like Chryst was willing/forced to adjust his game plan to fit Voytik's strengths.
Good point, and Chaney was using Connor on Third Downs and catching balls, but that put him in harms way and unlike Chryst would use Connor up sooner with more plays versus not using him on third downs as often, we will never know if that was going to play out a s well as those changes were made since Connor got hurt and I am not blaming Chaney, just saying we will never know, unless Connor comes back before the season ends??
Chaney doesn't have to taylor his game plan to voytik because he has more options beyond Voytik.
Another good point and Boyd is a year stronger and bigger and faster along with Two Great Tight Book Ends with another of experience under their belts!!
If you look at voytik's stats last year, he threw the ball downfield sometimes, but really not all that often. In the last 6 games, his long pass were 53, 23, 48, 59, 49, and 40 yards. That's pretty impressive. The unimpressive part is that those long passes usually account for an alarming amount of his total passing yards for the game.
Yet, Chad scramble abilities often resulted in bug plays and big drives being kept alive and his running abilities that Chryst did not see until after 2 losses?
Chryst was building an OL along with having Connor & Boyd, and Chaney has had some injuries on the OL and Connor, but has a a Back-Up QB that can pass too. Chaney had more options on the offense this year than Chryst had last year, until losing Connor!
This is a big difference and we will have to see how it plays out the rest of the year? Plus, a whole new Coaching Staff???
Good point, and Chaney was using Connor on Third Downs and catching balls, but that put him in harms way and unlike Chryst would use Connor up sooner with more plays versus not using him on third downs as often, we will never know if that was going to play out a s well as those changes were made since Connor got hurt and I am not blaming Chaney, just saying we will never know, unless Connor comes back before the season ends??
Chaney doesn't have to taylor his game plan to voytik because he has more options beyond Voytik.
Another good point and Boyd is a year stronger and bigger and faster along with Two Great Tight Book Ends with another of experience under their belts!!
If you look at voytik's stats last year, he threw the ball downfield sometimes, but really not all that often. In the last 6 games, his long pass were 53, 23, 48, 59, 49, and 40 yards. That's pretty impressive. The unimpressive part is that those long passes usually account for an alarming amount of his total passing yards for the game.
Yet, Chad scramble abilities often resulted in bug plays and big drives being kept alive and his running abilities that Chryst did not see until after 2 losses?
Chryst was building an OL along with having Connor & Boyd, and Chaney has had some injuries on the OL and Connor, but has a a Back-Up QB that can pass too. Chaney had more options on the offense this year than Chryst had last year, until losing Connor!
This is a big difference and we will have to see how it plays out the rest of the year? Plus, a whole new Coaching Staff???
Great points on where the coaches are at this point. Pitt fans should be more concerned about how this team is prepared to play, how they play, and how they respond from week to week.
So far pretty good. Yeah I wanted the win badly but the fools on this board with no patience should stick to the fantasy leagues. Channey is OK and I expect doing the best he can without JC. Chad is not his fault. I will be satisfied if Pitt is in every game as they were in Iowa.
Hail to Pitt
PITT IS IT!
Yeah realistically we should all view this season (especially without Conner playing), as a transition year. I agree, if every game is like the Iowa game we've made real progress. It's just unfair to judge a first year head coach on purely the win-loss column.
Let's just hypothetically say Pitt does play as hard as they did against Iowa every game this season. Just imagine that style of play once Narduzzi puts together a team full of guys he and his staff personally scouted. I think we have a good bit of talent now, so we may compete in the ACC. But in a few years, we should really start seeing results. If we don't, we can make a judgement then.
Let's just hypothetically say Pitt does play as hard as they did against Iowa every game this season. Just imagine that style of play once Narduzzi puts together a team full of guys he and his staff personally scouted. I think we have a good bit of talent now, so we may compete in the ACC. But in a few years, we should really start seeing results. If we don't, we can make a judgement then.
Well, that confirms that the Aliquippa and Central valley Coaches are not wrong, because you have often given sound advice on Pitt Football, and proved me wrong on many occasions and I had no problem saluting you in educating me on some of those aspects!Just like last year, after seeing Chad Voytik come in and run, scramble, and win the Bowl Game when Savage went down, i kept complaining why Chryst & Staff could not see that that kind of playing actually helped Connor, Boyd, and other WideOuts and the Offensive Line open the Pitt up, and beat VT when they designed plays after losing to Akron and Virginia?
The Defense did not lose the Akron and UVA Games the Offense did in my opinion and that was due to Poor Game Planning by Chryst & Staff are not seeing Voytik's Strengths? Just Dumb Football Lack Of Observations Before Their Eyes.
Even worse, UNC, Duke and Houston Games were lost due to Poor Special Teams coverages after a great Offensive Effort as well as the Defense just quitting!
I dunno know if Coach Pat & Chaney are still settling in and maybe why Whitehead is not being used, but at some point, and especially in this upcoming VT, UVA, and GT games, maybe they will incorporate Whitehead on at least Critical Third Down to take some pressure and double teaming of Boyd, as well as open up Orndoff & Holtz????
"MajorMajors, post: 342341, member: 1140"]CV looks very uncomfortable right now when he comes into the game. He actually looks kind of stressed to me, like maybe he's trying to hard and/or he's not completely comfortable yet with the new offense. This may translate into Chaney being super conservative when CV is in the game.
It also may be due to Chad being a perfectionist and now lacking confidence and not having more running plays designed for him due to Chaney's way of thinking on offense??? I know it is hurting Chad;'s Confidence and you seem to be right, because he looks like he is more worried about making a mistake that yanks him, then just having fun and running, passing, and winning?
Whatever it is, we can't afford to have a QB come in for two super conservative possessions. We need to go to NP being the guy and come up a creative package of plays for CV to run whenever he may come in -- including some CV running plays -- to give the defense something else to worry about.
I agree, and the other problem is there are just 17 Hours to prepare for any game every week, and snaps count when developing a QB and preparing for a Game? When Voytik gets less snaps he is not effective and Peterman needs more snaps to prepare better every week too? Add in changing the rhythm of the game for OL & Offensive Players, and Coach Chaney has to solve how to do everything as Chaney is given the Offensive Run of things and clearly favors Peterman, and I'll leave that to him???
Yet, Whitehead can help and so can some trick and running plays by Voytik that can restore his confidence and way of playing to have fun and not worrying about making mistakes?
Plus, it drives the other team Defense crazy when having to adjust to such new schemes and plays that are not often panned but happen due to covering the run and pas, and then missing the QB Running Plays???
Last year Voytik ran many times and caught VT that beat Ohio State off guard and discombobulated them all game long!!!
Yet, Chaney is just wanting to devlop more consitency
Go Pitt.
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Who cares? Play Peterman if he's the better player, these guys aren't my friends or my brothers, so I don't care which one succeeds, or which one fails, as long as the piece of meat that fails is discarded with no emotion and the better player plays.
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