Anyone else watch the ESPN 30 for 30 OJ documentary?

[pitt-girl]

I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed, but wow, I was blown away. If you have the time (even if you don't), watch this. Fascinating. Horrifying. Heartbreaking. It truly captures the celebrity of sports and its relationship with our society. Very, very well done.

 

[PhPanther1]

The interviews were amazing and as most of the espn shows...well done. After I watched the 3rd one, i had to stay up and watch the last 2.

I grew up during the trial, but wow, to look back now at what happened and how it all played out knowing what we know today....you couldn't ask for a bigger cluster funk top to bottom. If what those 2 jurors said was true, the entire jury should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

worst Judge of all time?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

It was one of the best things on TV. And it really shows us where we are today in society. We hear "FERGUSON" and all of this racial stuff, well it goes both ways. I found a couple of things really interesting.

1) How they turned OJ from OJ the celebrity, into another black victim being railroaded by "the man".
2) How the day before the jury was brought to tour OJ's house (crime scene), they took down all of the photos w/OJ and white people, and replaced them with photos of OJ with black people.
3) How to this day, unapologetic Carl Douglas (Cochran firm and one of the lawyers) was about the trial.
4) How frustrated Marcia Clark was and still is, knowing what was happening and not being able to do anything about it.
5) How obvious the riots of the Rodney King cops acquittal affected the tone and overall direction of this trial.
6) Marc Furhman. Perfect example of how the old adage of "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt us" is now completely reversed. You can commit murder, or a double murder, and the media and society will break you and persecute you more if you utter the "N" word.
7) Post Trial OJ.

I have to admit, I got OJ'd out, so after this trial and the civil trial, I steer cleared of the OJ news and tabloids. I didn't realize that OJ literally did turn into a "black man", a caricature of himself, almost morphing into Flava Flav in many cases with strippers and behavior.

It was well done, and a real shame. What also is a shame is OJ was so likeable and charming. Who knew? Who knew how he really was. He was also the biggest narcissist in the world.

 

[pittdan77]

It was one of the best things on TV. And it really shows us where we are today in society. We hear "FERGUSON" and all of this racial stuff, well it goes both ways. I found a couple of things really interesting.

1) How they turned OJ from OJ the celebrity, into another black victim being railroaded by "the man".
2) How the day before the jury was brought to tour OJ's house (crime scene), they took down all of the photos w/OJ and white people, and replaced them with photos of OJ with black people.
3) How to this day, unapologetic Carl Douglas (Cochran firm and one of the lawyers) was about the trial.
4) How frustrated Marcia Clark was and still is, knowing what was happening and not being able to do anything about it.
5) How obvious the riots of the Rodney King cops acquittal affected the tone and overall direction of this trial.
6) Marc Furhman. Perfect example of how the old adage of "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt us" is now completely reversed. You can commit murder, or a double murder, and the media and society will break you and persecute you more if you utter the "N" word.
7) Post Trial OJ.

I have to admit, I got OJ'd out, so after this trial and the civil trial, I steer cleared of the OJ news and tabloids. I didn't realize that OJ literally did turn into a "black man", a caricature of himself, almost morphing into Flava Flav in many cases with strippers and behavior.

It was well done, and a real shame. What also is a shame is OJ was so likeable and charming. Who knew? Who knew how he really was. He was also the biggest narcissist in the world.

I think the answer to your question is money. OJ was a cash cow and his real legal problems didn't start to haunt him until his value had already slipped away.

 

[ratking17]

It was great stuff. I was in high school during the trial and my friends and I would play baseball until noon and then eat lunch and watch a few hrs and then go back outside and then watch the final few hours around dinner.

Here are my thoughts. I think oj clearly did it. DNA don't lie. However I would still have voted not guilty even to this day based upon the trial. Fuhrman is huge in my book, along with when schnek showed the blood being collected at the scene by someone wearing no gloves. The drop of blood on the gate that showed up after the collection of evidence tells me they were sloppy.

I agree with the one defense attorney that spoke about oj being railroaded for the armed robbery in Vegas as the judge making up for murder case, but guess what? I don't care.

The last thing that will stick with me is the pain ron's dad went through and how clearly the murder of his son still bothers him today (and rightfully so).

It would be interesting to know how his kids feel about the juice today.

 

[Piranha]

OJ = Psychopath (Fits the definition like a glove). Speaking of the glove - what a dumb decision to have him try it on, with latex gloves no less.

 

[Swervin27]

Its really as simple as OJ had to be let go, for the betterment of everyone.. OJ gets sent up the river, or is it down the river, anyways, he gets a guilty verdict, every black person in this country riots, every city in America gets destroyed.. It really was that racially divided, the pcp guy getting pulled over and walloped in LA was still fresh on everyone's minds.. Sad for the victim, the white dude Goldman I think, he was an innocent victim.. the wife was banging everyone including marcus allen, not a good thing to do when your husband is a phsycho..

 

[TD_istheman]

Biggest mistake was allowing OJ, COCHRAN to use minorities and black women, to get him off! That trial should have never happened in the city. This was a political move, as usual they work out for the worst!

 

[TD_istheman]

Gil garcetti sp? Was a political jackass, and he should be in jail. Hiring Marsha Clark when their own mock jurors hated her. OJ said when he saw the jury, if you can't get me off with them, then I definitely did the crime

 

[BBrown]

It was great stuff. I was in high school during the trial and my friends and I would play baseball until noon and then eat lunch and watch a few hrs and then go back outside and then watch the final few hours around dinner.

Here are my thoughts. I think oj clearly did it. DNA don't lie. However I would still have voted not guilty even to this day based upon the trial. Fuhrman is huge in my book, along with when schnek showed the blood being collected at the scene by someone wearing no gloves. The drop of blood on the gate that showed up after the collection of evidence tells me they were sloppy.

I agree with the one defense attorney that spoke about oj being railroaded for the armed robbery in Vegas as the judge making up for murder case, but guess what? I don't care.

The last thing that will stick with me is the pain ron's dad went through and how clearly the murder of his son still bothers him today (and rightfully so).

It would be interesting to know how his kids feel about the juice today.

I can clearly understand how the jury voted after seeing how the cops completely blew the forensic and blood evidence. Jesus who takes the viles of blood from the
prime suspect back to the scene of the crime? or home with them for the weekend? Just ridiculous.

yea there were a lot of "jaw dropping", for me moments but none bigger than this.
OJ's agent asking OJ about that night and OJ saying "if Nicole hadn't answered the door with a knife she'd be alive today"

I wanted to reach through the screen and slap the older black female juror. She was straight ghetto.
And how does the prosecution miss that that the juror that gave the black power salute after the verdict was read was a former
black panther?

Really fascinating and well done.
Oh and Carl Douglas is still an Ahole.

 

[BBrown]

OJ = Psychopath (Fits the definition like a glove). Speaking of the glove - what a dumb decision to have him try it on, with latex gloves no less.

I know Darden got blasted for that but I don't know if mattered. The defense knew it wasn't going to fit so even if Darden hadn't fallen for the F. Lee Baily taunt I think they would have had OJ try on the glove. It just was more dramatic when the prosecution did it. JMO.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Again, unfortunately Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were given up as sacrificial to keep peace in our nation and prevent a late 60's riots.

It could have been avoided if it was a murder trial, but the defense quickly moved it to a race trial.

 

[ratking17]

It was brilliant legal strategy by the defense. That is what they are paid to do.

Anyone see that oj took a paternity test over the weekend to see if he is the dad of the homely Kardashian girl?

 

[BigZeke]

I can clearly understand how the jury voted after seeing how the cops completely blew the forensic and blood evidence. Jesus who takes the viles of blood from the
prime suspect back to the scene of the crime? or home with them for the weekend? Just ridiculous.

yea there were a lot of "jaw dropping", for me moments but none bigger than this.
OJ's agent asking OJ about that night and OJ saying "if Nicole hadn't answered the door with a knife she'd be alive today"

I wanted to reach through the screen and slap the older black female juror. She was straight ghetto.
And how does the prosecution miss that that the juror that gave the black power salute after the verdict was read was a former
black panther?

Really fascinating and well done.
Oh and Carl Douglas is still an Ahole.

OJ Simpson is a despicable human being and anyone who cheered his acquittal should be ashamed of themselves and thank God every night it wasn't their daughter, brother, sister or son who were butchered by that entitled, narcissistic phony. A dark time in our nation's history for sure.

 

[upj87]

I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed, but wow, I was blown away. If you have the time (even if you don't), watch this. Fascinating. Horrifying. Heartbreaking. It truly captures the celebrity of sports and its relationship with our society. Very, very well done.

thought it was nice and in keeping with the courage award aspect of ESPN that out of the twenty helicopter crews filming the bronco chase they chose the transitioning pilot who looked like Owen Wilson as an ugly chick.

 

[Las Panteras]

Sports illustrated calls this the best 30 for 30 yet and it is hard to argue.

Episode 1 is useless until about 10 minutes left.....when he sees Nichole for the first time.

From then on.......truly riveting......

 

[Hero of the Oppressed]

OJ will be 69 in a few weeks and most likely released from prison when he is 70. He is an obese 300 pounds according to sources. He probably goes back to Florida or some other tax friendly state where he can live on his football pension and play golf.

The defense team was brilliant in the murder trial. Sheck crushed the forensic team and Bailey did the same to Furman. Shows what real money can buy. The murder scene photos were sickening. Blood everywhere. He butchered those people. I hope his last years on the planet are as lonely as can be. Of course he is an egotistical murderer and probably suffer the way most hope he will.

 

[ratking17]

Disagree about episode 1 being useless. Great football highlights, but most importantly you saw how oj viewed race. He wanted to be accepted for his accomplishments and ignored his opportunity to be a civil rights leader in the 60s. I understand both sides of that argument

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Who is a bigger narcissist, OJ or Trump?

 

[Swervin27]

Who is a bigger narcissist, OJ or Trump?

Jim Brown

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Who is a bigger narcissist, OJ or Trump?

I say OJ. I think he is/was so bad he came to believe he was invincible. Particularly after he got away with murder. Thankfully he finally found out differently albeit way too late for the 2 he killed.

 

[Swervin27]

These 30/30 docs are starting to get out of hand. Not this OJ one, but others. Starting to turn into any fanboy out there wanting to praise his team, makes one of these things.. THe U I liked but now we got one on Orlando Magic, we got on on the Colorado buffs, didn't we have one on the pacers? The U I get, there was a story there, even the SMU one, again, there was a story there. GIve me a break with the Magic though. yeah, they were decent with Penny and Shaq but still a far fetch from the Knicks and Bulls though.

Is being a runner up documentary worthy? I loved the Atlanta hawks back then too, don't think they should have a documentary. The buffs was at least hidden as one about the head coach's faith and Aunese dying, I mean there was a story there, it just wasn't told. 30 seconds of Sal battling cancer, 60 seconds of the coach praising Jesus and 58 minutes of Eric Bienemy and Darrien Hagen highlights. Again, good team but they really didn't accomplish anything. That one was a shame too. They had a truly great story with Sal, the coach's daughter and him having a child together, inspiration for dying team member and they completely glossed over it to talk about hagen fumbling the ball against Nebraska. something no one on this planet remembers or cares about.

These docs are starting to overuse "great" teams description on decent teams. Cant wait for the 2014 Pittsburgh Pirates documentary..

 

[drunkinoakland]

I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed, but wow, I was blown away. If you have the time (even if you don't), watch this. Fascinating. Horrifying. Heartbreaking. It truly captures the celebrity of sports and its relationship with our society. Very, very well done.

I've watched 1 and 2 so far.

It's interesting because the TV show tried to paint OJ as bordering developmentally disabled but this seems like it is painting him as intelligent.

 

[ratking17]

I've watched 1 and 2 so far.

It's interesting because the TV show tried to paint OJ as bordering developmentally disabled but this seems like it is painting him as intelligent.

Cuba Gooding Jr effect

 

[upj87]

I've watched 1 and 2 so far.

It's interesting because the TV show tried to paint OJ as bordering developmentally disabled but this seems like it is painting him as intelligent.

Cuba Gooding Jr effect

That Radio film sticks with you....

 

[ratking17]

That Radio film sticks with you....

Haha. Cuba pushing a shopping cart for half of the movie

 

[paulbl99]

OJ will be 69 in a few weeks and most likely released from prison when he is 70. He is an obese 300 pounds according to sources. He probably goes back to Florida or some other tax friendly state where he can live on his football pension and play golf.

The defense team was brilliant in the murder trial. Sheck crushed the forensic team and Bailey did the same to Furman. Shows what real money can buy. The murder scene photos were sickening. Blood everywhere. He butchered those people. I hope his last years on the planet are as lonely as can be. Of course he is an egotistical murderer and probably suffer the way most hope he will.

why do you think he will be released??
They are in Las Vegas and all the glitter aside it is a cowboy town at heart.

Simpson could have probably gotten off with 2 yrs or less but the judge threw the book at him.
I mean big time.

Maybe you're right but that sentencing was deliberately done to hammer that murdering sob.
That was payback with a message to LA no question about it.....

He should be carried out of that prison not walk out.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

You know what the next big 30 for 30 docu series has to be?? Joe and Jerry, A story of Blind Faith Turning a Blind Eye

 

[BigZeke]

You know what the next big 30 for 30 docu series has to be?? Joe and Jerry, A story of Blind Faith Turning a Blind Eye

Nike & ESPN would never allow it to happen cause it would kill their Central Pa. ca$h cow aka the despicable JoeBots.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Nike & ESPN would never allow it to happen cause it would kill their Central Pa. ca$h cow aka the despicable JoeBots.

I don't think PSU has that kind of cache. Now, the NFL? Yes.

 

[Piranha]

Ric Flair is going to have one in the near future. WOO!!!

 

[7Fielder]

Who is a bigger narcissist, OJ or Trump?

Unnecessary troll in an otherwise great conversation. Why try to take the train off the tracks?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Unnecessary troll in an otherwise great conversation. Why to try and take the train off the tracks.

It's a valid question because they exhibit the same characteristics.

 

[pitt-girl]

It's a valid question because they exhibit the same characteristics.

OJ is a sociopath and a murderer. That is quite different from your average narcissist.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

I want a 30 for 30 on the 1984 Olympic hoops team with Knight, Jordan, Ewing and Mullin sitting around talking like in Survive and Advance. That was the last amateur hoops team to win gold.

Also would like one on Chaminade's upset of the Sampson-led Cavaliers and rehash Virginia's around-the-world travels before finishing in Hawaii and how here in the states we didn't really know about until a couple of days had passed. Tom Mees refused to report the score on Sportscenter because he thought it was a joke.

 

[Hero of the Oppressed]

I think I read where he is up for parole next year and has a good record in prison and should be candidate for release

 

[PhPanther1]

Just saw a commercial for the next 30 for 30. Doc Gooden and Daryl Strawberry. Two of my favorite players of all time. I might have to watch that one a few times.

 

[DruidTM]

I never understood the feeling sorry for Goldman but not Brown (as much) in 94... And still don't ...frankly it's disgraceful... The doc makes it pretty clear Simpson was running around on Brown long before anything with her happened...Simpson was and is a POS completely manufactured image...

People implying in any way Brown died because it was her own fault are just sad....

Its really as simple as OJ had to be let go, for the betterment of everyone.. OJ gets sent up the river, or is it down the river, anyways, he gets a guilty verdict, every black person in this country riots, every city in America gets destroyed.. It really was that racially divided, the pcp guy getting pulled over and walloped in LA was still fresh on everyone's minds.. Sad for the victim, the white dude Goldman I think, he was an innocent victim.. the wife was banging everyone including marcus allen, not a good thing to do when your husband is a phsycho..

 

[Swervin27]

I never understood the feeling sorry for Goldman but not Brown (as much) in 94... And still don't ...frankly it's disgraceful... The doc makes it pretty clear Simpson was running around on Brown long before anything with her happened...Simpson was and is a POS completely manufactured image...

People implying in any way Brown died because it was her own fault are just sad....

i can see that.. infidelity is not a justification for being slaughtered, if I communicated that, I apologize. Sounded like an abusive relationship, one in which she probably should have had enough sense in to not be seen around town with a boyfriend while a crazed husband with jealous rage was around. That's all im saying.. Maybe Goldman knew the situation but still took the chance, who knows? Men have made worse decisions to get into a woman's bed..