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Are we done recruiting for next season?

gary2

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And if we are not, what position gets added to?

Nike and Gueye will be departing seniors? (Basing this on the PSN Gueye story)

13th and 14th scholarships currently infilled.

That means we currently have 3 to give for 22? Nike, Gueye and one of the opens?
 
Hood-Schifino is visiting on the 16th. Not sure if that would be for this season reclass though.
 
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And if we are not, what position gets added to?

Nike and Gueye will be departing seniors? (Basing this on the PSN Gueye story)

13th and 14th scholarships currently infilled.

That means we currently have 3 to give for 22? Nike, Gueye and one of the opens?
What?

Pitt is going to have 3-4 players transfer. Everyone will. Pitt should and will sign as many 2022 recruits as they can. If they can get 6 good players, they'll sign 6 with the anticipation of significant transfers. College basketball is forever changed. Everyone is essentially a 1 year player/free agent now
 
What?

Pitt is going to have 3-4 players transfer. Everyone will. Pitt should and will sign as many 2022 recruits as they can. If they can get 6 good players, they'll sign 6 with the anticipation of significant transfers. College basketball is forever changed. Everyone is essentially a 1 year player/free agent now
Currently was the operative word
 
The truly bad thing about tne new transfer rule is that any freshman who doesn't get to start immediately will transfer. There will be no opportunity for player development. The NCAA should change the rule to not allow the no strings transfer until the end of a player's sophmore year.
I don’t know if it’ll necessarily be that severe: I think avoiding that will be more about effective communication during the recruiting process. Previously, any coach could say to every recruit, “we see you contributing as a freshman and playing a ton right away,” and when that inevitably didn’t happen, the kid didn’t really have as many options even if he felt like the coach he committed to wasn’t truthful to him and his family during the recruiting process. Now they have an option and an amount of recourse.

I think you can still recruit a roster of quality high schoolers by being honest with them about what you envision for them, their role as a freshman, and ceiling. It might lock you out of some kids during the recruiting process who will go with the coaches who tell them exactly what they want to hear, but I think it’ll probably end up benefiting you from a longer term roster turnover perspective with the kids that you do get.
 
I don’t know if it’ll necessarily be that severe: I think avoiding that will be more about effective communication during the recruiting process. Previously, any coach could say to every recruit, “we see you contributing as a freshman and playing a ton right away,” and when that inevitably didn’t happen, the kid didn’t really have as many options even if he felt like the coach he committed to wasn’t truthful to him and his family during the recruiting process. Now they have an option and an amount of recourse.

I think you can still recruit a roster of quality high schoolers by being honest with them about what you envision for them, their role as a freshman, and ceiling. It might lock you out of some kids during the recruiting process who will go with the coaches who tell them exactly what they want to hear, but I think it’ll probably end up benefiting you from a longer term roster turnover perspective with the kids that you do get.
I still think you're going to see 25% of players transfer for a good while.
 
We're gonna have 5 or so new players for the season starting in October 2022. We've recruited this high school class heavily and there will be transfers. For instance, if max or Noah do not develop this year, they will transfer down.

For the season starting in October 2021 we may add to the roster. No emergency positions, but if we can add quality depth we will. Bonus of it's a one year grad transfer that we won't carry on the roster for years.
 
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We've recruited this high school class heavily and there will be transfers. For instance, if max or Noah do not develop this year, they will transfer down.
It wont just be a guy who doesn't develop and transfers down. We'll have 1-2 starters transfer. Everyone will. Any kid who thinks the offense isnt being run through him so he can make the NBA will transfer.
 
The truly bad thing about tne new transfer rule is that any freshman who doesn't get to start immediately will transfer. There will be no opportunity for player development. The NCAA should change the rule to not allow the no strings transfer until the end of a player's sophmore year.
Why would they do that? They have a perfect system for allowing the big schools to get rid of their dead weight and go recruit the smaller schools better developed players.
 
Of course the NCAA isn’t motivated that way. That’s the point. The NCAA ought not to being in the business of advantaging the bigger name schools over the others.
 
From another site, 6' 10" Center Bretner Mutombo has Pitt, Georgia St & East Tenn St as Warm interest. However rivals.com has Auburn as 54% Fanfuture cast.
 
The truly bad thing about tne new transfer rule is that any freshman who doesn't get to start immediately will transfer. There will be no opportunity for player development. The NCAA should change the rule to not allow the no strings transfer until the end of a player's sophmore year.
I suspect this will depend on the recruiting strategies of any particular program. If playing time is promised, especially immediate playing time, during the recruiting pitch, and then that PT doesn't happen, then transfers will happen as you say. If long term development is pitched, then I imagine transfers, if they happen, will come later. And, those transfers would have happened with or without the rule change. Coaching staffs are going to have to be more honest, and I think they're going to have to qualify their recruits more thoroughly. On the other hand, I think it's worth noting that around half of Coach Bennett's recruits at UVa have transferred out of the program. Most of those transfers occur after the second year. In a number of instances, they were prospects with whom the staff took a chance. Bennett has stated that he never asks a player to leave and that he never begs a player to stay, and by the post-season evaluations after the second year, I think everyone knows what their prospects of future playing time will be. Most of the transfers have moved to programs where they have played more significant roles, and it has opened up scholarships for the staff to use. In these instances, I think it is a "win" for everyone. The downside of the new rule will come from when the less-than-ethical coaches out there start poaching from mid majors. I am a bit skeptical of how effective this will be. Regardless, for these latter considerations, I don't like the new rule.
 
If the recruit is talented enough why not pitch immediate playing time? At worst you have that player for a year and if he is talented enough he will play. If not move on!
 
The truly bad thing about tne new transfer rule is that any freshman who doesn't get to start immediately will transfer. There will be no opportunity for player development. The NCAA should change the rule to not allow the no strings transfer until the end of a player's sophmore year.

Totally agree. And add to that....if a player transfers after 1 year, he has to pay back the scholarship for that year.

I think that players should be required to play for a minimum of 2 years, preferably 3, or they pay back the total value of that scholarship for how many years they used it to get a free education. I know it will never happen.
 
Totally agree. And add to that....if a player transfers after 1 year, he has to pay back the scholarship for that year.

I think that players should be required to play for a minimum of 2 years, preferably 3, or they pay back the total value of that scholarship for how many years they used it to get a free education. I know it will never happen.
And will coaches be held to a similar standard with regards to their contract?
 
The truly bad thing about tne new transfer rule is that any freshman who doesn't get to start immediately will transfer. There will be no opportunity for player development. The NCAA should change the rule to not allow the no strings transfer until the end of a player's sophmore year.

Shouldn't Collier and Jeffress have transferred already?
 
And will coaches be held to a similar standard with regards to their contract?
Depending on the competency of the school's lawyers who drawn up the employment contract, most coaches are already held to a similar standard. Buy-out clauses, doncha know!
 
Pitt Basketball Roster
PG- Femi Odukake, Jamarius Burton
SG- Nike Sibande, Ithiel Horton
SF- Will Jeffrees, Nate Santos
PF- Daniel Oladapo, Chris Payton, Noah Collier
C-John Hugley, Mo Gueye, Max Amadasun

We need to add another player or two. We have 2 ships to use since we get an additional one because of Nike.

Max isn’t ready to contribute. Is Burton definitely going to be cleared to play? And you always have injuries or the potential of someone leaving mid-year.
 
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Pitt Basketball Roster
PG- Femi Odukake, Jamarius Burton
SG- Nike Sibande, Ithiel Horton
SF- Will Jeffrees, Nate Santos
PF- Daniel Oladapo, Chris Payton, Noah Collier
C-John Hugley, Mo Gueye, Max Amadasun

We need to add another player or two. We have 2 ships to use since we get an additional one because of Nike.

Max isn’t ready to contribute. Is Burton definitely going to be cleared to play? And you always have injuries or the potential of someone leaving mid-year.
From what Capel said about Max, he's ready to contribute.
 
Depending on the competency of the school's lawyers who drawn up the employment contract, most coaches are already held to a similar standard. Buy-out clauses, doncha know!


The day that a coach's buyout clause says that if a coach leaves after the 4th year of a five year contract he owes the school for all four years worth of salary, that's the day that they will be similar.

For coaches, if they stay a year longer they owe the school less. What Hail is proposing is the opposite, that if a player stays a year longer they owe the school more. Those really aren't that similar at all.
 
From what Capel said about Max, he's ready to contribute.
Contribute is a very arbitrary word. If I contribute one dollar to a million dollar fund I contributed. But I think I know what Capel means. He can put him in for a few minutes at a time.
 
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Contribute is a very arbitrary word. If I contribute one dollar to a million dollar fund I contributed. But I think I know what Capel means. He can put him in for a few minutes at ou guys
You guys remember Pitt in the Big East, every year Pitt had a player who was Newcomer Of The Year, he was maybe a Soph or a Junior who worked his way on to court! That's the way I see Max developing every year to become a solid player! Maybe 8-10 points and 6-7 rebound by his Senior year! Gary McGhee comes to mind, 1st 2 years 1.5 points and 1.5 rebounds last 2 years 7 points and 6 rebounds!
 
You guys remember Pitt in the Big East, every year Pitt had a player who was Newcomer Of The Year, he was maybe a Soph or a Junior who worked his way on to court! That's the way I see Max developing every year to become a solid player! Maybe 8-10 points and 6-7 rebound by his Senior year! Gary McGhee comes to mind, 1st 2 years 1.5 points and 1.5 rebounds last 2 years 7 points and 6 rebounds!
McGhee was a 4 star recruit, Wanamaker was a 4 star recruit, Gray was 7-0 tall. Max is 6-8 and was a low 3 star recruit. I wouldn’t expect a whole lot from him.
 
You guys remember Pitt in the Big East, every year Pitt had a player who was Newcomer Of The Year, he was maybe a Soph or a Junior who worked his way on to court! That's the way I see Max developing every year to become a solid player! Maybe 8-10 points and 6-7 rebound by his Senior year! Gary McGhee comes to mind, 1st 2 years 1.5 points and 1.5 rebounds last 2 years 7 points and 6 rebounds!
Lol. He will be at a new school after this year
 
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I’m not saying that Max will ever become a quality ACC player ,but not everyone adapts or progresses at the same speed .

Least we not forget how good HOF Troy Polamalu was as rookie , I knew a guy who called him the pineapple kid because as a rookie he struggled .
 
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