Did you compare the fact Pitt has 6-8 years of success between 35+ years of failure to Alabama, FSU, and ND? Good Lord.
Are we really complaining
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You missed the point dufus! They are saying that not me. Go and look on their message board fool. FSU still complains that if they had a decent kicker they would have won 3 more national titles. Even they complain! Yes on a different plain of existence but they get frustrated too.
Your other comment shows more ignorance; ND, Alabama, USC, went years in mediocrity because of bad coaching hires. Even with a the money and prestige they still couldn't get it right.
Also, consideration this as well:
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Pitt has played 4 current top 25 teams. In the top 25 only Wisconsin has played as many. 20 of the 25 have played 0-2 teams in top 25.
So quit your damn whining and man up!!!!
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Because their are quite alot of douche bags on here
Doesn't teams like NCST, BC, Virginia, Rutgers, and another 80 other teams deserve a winner as well????
No! They don't want to win! On top of that, they have had no history of success in football!!!
Quit your whining and act like a man...
More facts for you whiny bitches:
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Oklahoma has lost 2 games and have played just one team currently in the top 25, but are currently No. 12.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
No. 10 Florida and No. 17 Western Michigan have not played a team currently in the Top 25.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Nebraska has played one team in the top 25, lost to them, and is No. 9 in the country.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
WVU played one game against a top 25 team, lost to them by 17, and is No. 14 in the country.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Pitt has played 4 current top 25 teams. In the top 25 only Wisconsin has played as many. 20 of the 25 have played 0-2 teams in top 25.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Oklahoma has lost 2 games and have played just one team currently in the top 25, but are currently No. 12.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
No. 10 Florida and No. 17 Western Michigan have not played a team currently in the Top 25.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Nebraska has played one team in the top 25, lost to them, and is No. 9 in the country.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
WVU played one game against a top 25 team, lost to them by 17, and is No. 14 in the country.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Pitt has played 4 current top 25 teams. In the top 25 only Wisconsin has played as many. 20 of the 25 have played 0-2 teams in top 25.
So what? Who cares? We should be in a position to carp about the issues on that list.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
As of now it looks like Pitt could play 5 top 25 teams this year while WVU could play 3 and PSU could play 2. Makes a huge difference.
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
@tsnmike my point was more that if Pitt had a schedule like most top 25 teams they'd be in top 25, too, & fans would see things differently.
Facts... Facts.... Well said by Dokish. If you get out of your cocoon, you night see the light.
Those are facts. It is you who doesn't know what a FACT is because it messes up your narrative...
Of the things that were listed by Dokish, which ones are not factual? This should be entertaining....
Well, I consider my season tickets to be a great investment this year. If you've been to Pitt home games you certainly can't say that you haven't been entertained. Yeah, the pass defense is atrocious, I get that. But the offense, even with a mediocre passing game, has been a joy to watch. And nobody can say that this team gives less than their best effort. Maybe outclassed at times but I like the direction this program is headed.
You live in a vacuum if don't see how the previous 35 years don't make some people have a "believe it when I see it" mindset. And 13-8 and 3 star recruiting classes isn't seeing it, yet.
You're right, dsappointments on different levels do happen all the time. Pitt's disappointments are on a much higher level and seemingly happen all the time.
And when 40k show up for our games, yeah he would be missed.
Using Dokish to make an argument automatically disqualifies you, but I'll play along. .
@tsnmikemy pointwas more that if Pitt had a schedule like most top 25 teams they'd be in top 25, too, & fans would seethingsdifferently
That is an opinion. Fact.
Narduzzi doesn't seem too happy with losing either. Nobody is content with losing. Pitt lost three games that easily could have been wins with a change in our defensive strategy
I think if Pitt were clearly inferior to the teams they lost to it would be easier to take. This may be the best offensive team Pitt has had, and it has been wasted. Because we put our corners in a position to fail. Or we haven't coached our corners well enough to play the type of defense Narduzzi demands.
The Pitt whiners would say it is now time for a coaching change at Florida State.
He has lost it.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Pitt is Pitts own worst enemy, we just got rid of two stooges, hopefully this new group is the right group
Weak...So it doesn't matter what the facts are, it depends on who's saying it? If it's someone you don't like it automatically is bogus?
LOL!
Ok, I'll play... Take each one of Dokish's tweets and tell us where he is not factual. If you can't, then your whole post is bogus and you are wrong...
Yinzers like to Yinz..... best offensive team Pitts ever had? Not sure about that but the best in 20 years? Yep I agree.... and to further prove my original point Yinzers were yinzing about what early in? Oh yeah Matt Canada...LOL....
3 tough losses to top 25 talent and Pitt is playing a tougher schedule than many of these ranked teams....truth. And no I don't think it's fair to carry over anger at the older coaching staffs and players from decades ago and judge today's team through that Yinzing jaundiced eye....you aren't being rational if you do that...I'm sorry
3 tough losses to top 25 talent and Pitt is playing a tougher schedule than many of these ranked teams....truth. And no I don't think it's fair to carry over anger at the older coaching staffs and players from decades ago and judge today's team through that Yinzing jaundiced eye....you aren't being rational if you do that...I'm sorry
In order to see things in blue and gold, you have to see them through bruised, jaundiced eyes! It's the only way!
So the season is over? No one will accept Pitt winning all of their remaining games except Clemson which would make Pitt 8-4? What if Pitt wins out, including Clemson and ends up 9-3? How about if Pitt beats Clemson and craps the bed against say Miami, the week before Clemson, or say a let down game after beating Clemson and still ends up 8-4? Nothing less than 10-2 for a second year coach even though no coach Pitt has had since Foge Fazio?
Coach 1st Year, 2nd Year
Johnny Majors (1973) 6-5-1 , 7-4
Jackie Sherrill 9-2-1 , 8-4
Foge Fazio 9-3 , 8-3-1
Mike Gottfried 5-5-1 , 8-4
Paul Hackett 8-3 , 3-7-1
Johnny Majors 3-8 , 3-8
Walt Harris 6-6 , 2-9
Dave Wannstedt 5-6 , 6-6
Todd Graham 6-7 , NA
Paul Chryst 6-7 , 7-6
Pat Narduzzi 8-5 , 5-3
I realize that some of these coaches came in with more than others, but Narduzzi came in with virtually no one on defense, Chryst loaded up on offense while he was here.
But who has done better so far than Narduzzi? Not even Johnny Majors did this well his first two years the first time and he had a lot less restrictions.
Coach 1st Year, 2nd Year
Johnny Majors (1973) 6-5-1 , 7-4
Jackie Sherrill 9-2-1 , 8-4
Foge Fazio 9-3 , 8-3-1
Mike Gottfried 5-5-1 , 8-4
Paul Hackett 8-3 , 3-7-1
Johnny Majors 3-8 , 3-8
Walt Harris 6-6 , 2-9
Dave Wannstedt 5-6 , 6-6
Todd Graham 6-7 , NA
Paul Chryst 6-7 , 7-6
Pat Narduzzi 8-5 , 5-3
I realize that some of these coaches came in with more than others, but Narduzzi came in with virtually no one on defense, Chryst loaded up on offense while he was here.
But who has done better so far than Narduzzi? Not even Johnny Majors did this well his first two years the first time and he had a lot less restrictions.
I'm disappointed in how this season has played out so far but realistically this team is better than I thought it would be. Maybe why I am a little disappointed is because Pitt has lost 3 games by 11 points combine and have been in every game. And the offense for the most part has been 10 times better than I thought. Prior to the season looking at the brutal schedule, I predicted a step back with a 7-5 record. Doesn't mean Pitt isn't on the right track. Pitt does lose a lot of starters on D next year but based on how they have been playing is that such a bad thing?
All. I even bolded the key words for you.
You can't be that stupid. The entire quoted tweet was Dokish's (an extreme homer) opinion about how if Pitt's schedule was "like most" (which is again complete conjecture with a loose set of guidelines) then fans would feel differently. Trying to gauge hypothetical opinions of others based on loose and incomplete criteria is literally the loosest opinion possible. It isn't even remotely close to a fact.
The two You bolded are in fact opinions at this point. But you conveniently ignored the others because as you say if it comes from Dokish it automatically should be disqualified....Brilliant! I'll help you with the others:
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Oklahoma has lost 2 games and have played just one team currently in the top 25, but are currently No. 12.
Questions: Has Oklahoma played only one top 25 to date???? Yes or no? Are they presently in they presently ranked? Yes or no?
Fellow posters: Is this a fact or not??
All I have to look at is their schedule and compare it to the current top 25....
FACT JACK!
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
No. 10 Florida and No. 17 Western Michigan have not played a team currently in the Top 25.
Questions: Based on the current each team's current schedule and the current top 25, Has Florida or Western Michigan played a top 25 team to date?? Are they currently ranked??? Yes or No???
Fellow posters: Is this a fact or not??
FACT!
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
Nebraska has played one team in the top 25, lost to them, and is No. 9 in the country.
Questions: To date, Nebraska has played only one team in the top 25. Is this statement a FACT? Did they lose? Are they currently ranked? Yes or No?
Fellow posters: Is this a fact or not??
FACT FOOL!
Chris Dokish @ChrisDokish
WVU played one game against a top 25 team, lost to them by 17, and is No. 14 in the country.
To date, has WVU played only one top 25 team? Yes or No? Did they lose to them by 17 points? Yes or no? Are they currently ranked? Yes or No?
Fellow posters: Is this a fact or not??
FACT FRANCIS!
Now that I have schooled you, I hope that helps you be more objective when judging Narduzzi at this point in his tenure.
BTW: I think you and PittPoker are neck and neck in the intelligence department....
Pitt fans need to get it out of their head that either major program will ever be, over the long term, a national player. That is the issue here...it isn't anything Pitt is doing, it is your absurd expectations that Pitt needs to be a top 15 team and contend for the playoffs. Seriously...follow bama or OSU if that is your expectation.
People are trying to run off narduzzi...which doesn't surprise given that they wanted to run off the most successful coach this school has had in the last 35 years in any sport.
Stop having images of grandeur and delusion, and accept Pitt for what it is. I'm hoping basketball doesn't go in the rank with stallings and return to its historical norms, and football fans should feel very lucky after all the coaching changes that Pitt wasn't going 3-9 consistently.
It could be SOOOOO much worse.
People are trying to run off narduzzi...which doesn't surprise given that they wanted to run off the most successful coach this school has had in the last 35 years in any sport.
Stop having images of grandeur and delusion, and accept Pitt for what it is. I'm hoping basketball doesn't go in the rank with stallings and return to its historical norms, and football fans should feel very lucky after all the coaching changes that Pitt wasn't going 3-9 consistently.
It could be SOOOOO much worse.
Actually, I didn't say that. Also, perhaps you don't understand how quoting works, but when someone quotes your post or a portion of your post, that is what they are responding to, not everything you have ever said in a thread or on a message board. Amazing you don't even grasp that. That is Message Board 101.
This is what I quoted and replied to:
And, again, neither of those tweets are facts, despite you saying (and I quoted you saying it, so don't say you didn't) they were. You would have to be an absolute dimwit to have thought those were facts
Are you still confused by what is and isn't a fact? You question someone else's intelligence and call names left and right, yet, you can't follow who is making posts, which posts they quoted, and have absolutely no clue what a fact is. Solid.
I don't know, not everyone who has experienced the Pitt losing years has come out of it disgruntled and grumpy. I've been a fan since I came to Pitt during the depths of Majors 2. When I look back at the last 20+ years, I don't see failure and incompetence....though there has most definitely been that. I mainly remember the many positive moments...I must be an optimist. There have been trying to flat our embarrassing times to be a Pitt fan (the Haywood/Graham coaching carousel being the worst) but they haven't made me into the grizzled and pessimistic fan some seem to be.
LOL You're dumber than I thought! A blithering idiot! You are the one that is confused fool. What Dokish wrote are indeed facts as of today.
LOL! You're too much!
Has Pitt, at any point in modern history, ever had a 7 game stretch where they put up a minimum of 36 points in each game? I don't even think the offense put up these kinds of numbers during the Jackie Sherrill era, could be wrong though
ETA: 1977 Pitt team averaged 36.8 points a game. The Villanova game may prevent this team from beating out the 77 team
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Not sure why you would criticize Barnes for hyping the 2016 season? He did have tickets to sell for a season and did set a record for season ticket sales--so I'd say you have to tip your cap to the job he did this season--even if people choose not to use those tickets. I'd say he is going to have a much TOUGHER job selling 2017 tickets...but that is a year away and can be worried about then. Hail to Pitt!
Can you not read what I quoted? Are you that deficient? It literally is just about following conversation.
You're still in denial. Comparing Pitt's downturn of about 35 years to the "downtown" of Alabama is laughable. What was USC's downtown? A string of 6 years when they didn't win a conference title? Yep. That's just like Pitt (sarcasm). I won't even mention ND.
Yes, Pitt has played 4 current top 25 teams, but lost to three of them, and Penn State was fixin to win if their rookie QB didn't throw that jump ball.
Yes. You referenced the wrong poster and started discussing other tweets, which I was not and never did reference. You erroneously called them facts. They weren't even close to facts. You can click those arrows next to "xxxxposter said:" and it will take you to the message, which was quoted. Things are set up to make it very, very easy to follow conversation and track who is saying what and which posts they are quoting and responding to.
"Penn State was fixin to win if their rookie QB didn't throw that jump ball."
Still having trouble with the facts I see? The FACT is they didn't win. Pitt won.
You have reading comprehension issues as well. I said every school has disappoints on different levels. For the teams I mentioned who's resources are much greater than Pitt's it's a monumental failure to be mediocre for even 5 years. Take a look at what's going on at Texas for exhibit A.
You failed AGAIN.
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