Basketball Analytics

[rockypanther]

I have been super busy coaching all my basketball teams. Two of them are finishing up this week. I have a lot of general basketball information and observations I have been making from my own research and coaching and what I have seen in the games so far from Pitt. I will be posting a lot next week.

I am going to post a lot about articles with analytics and other data I have found.

I am wondering if there are any data/math posters on here to help clarify and explain data that I have found collected not on Pitt specifically but about things like areas with different percentages of making the shot and the difference in shooting percentage for a shooter when he catches to shoot rather than taking a dribble or two dribbles to shoot. Much of this is now being collected and displayed for the NBA on NBA.com. @shrugginatlas

 

[Ski11585]

@thirteenNINE

 

[thirteenNINE]

Oh hey @rockypanther, I know more than a few things about that particular topic. Anything in particular that you're looking for regarding catch and shoot vs. pull up? Because I actually sat in on a great talk at Sloan a few years ago about just that data, I'll try to find a pdf when I get home.

 

[rockypanther]

Oh hey @rockypanther, I know more than a few things about that particular topic. Anything in particular that you're looking for regarding catch and shoot vs. pull up? Because I actually sat in on a great talk at Sloan a few years ago about just that data, I'll try to find a pdf when I get home.

Hey. I have a few wonderings. I will message you.

 

[shrugginatlas]

i don't know nearly as much about basketball analytics as @thirteenNINE, or lots of other people, but do feel free to message me, too, for what little it's worth.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

The thing about analytics is that is doesn't exactly make a game better. Take baseball, it is much more boring and not the same as it was before, because everything is analytics driven.

In basketball I am afraid it is going to either go dunk it or three, nothing else is worth it. Which again will make for a less enjoyable sport.

 

[shrugginatlas]

The thing about analytics is that is doesn't exactly make a game better. Take baseball, it is much more boring and not the same as it was before, because everything is analytics driven.

In basketball I am afraid it is going to either go dunk it or three, nothing else is worth it. Which again will make for a less enjoyable sport.

well, that's where analytics end and strategy begins. if everybody is going to dunk it or take a three, then players/coaches will evolve, and there may be new opportunities for other tactics. analytics cannot tell you the appropriate strategy to take; they can only help to inform good strategic decision-making by resolving uncertainty.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

The thing about analytics is that is doesn't exactly make a game better. Take baseball, it is much more boring and not the same as it was before, because everything is analytics driven.

In basketball I am afraid it is going to either go dunk it or three, nothing else is worth it. Which again will make for a less enjoyable sport.

Recruits--I think you are making it too simplistic. Things are messier. Everyone won't go 100% 3-ball or dunk/layup. Shot clock pressure will continue to force other shots to be taken. In addition, the nature of shooting ability/talent of individuals on rosters will mess with any attempt to be totally 3-balls and dunks. Just look at Pitt's current roster makeup as one example.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

well, that's where analytics end and strategy begins. if everybody is going to dunk it or take a three, then players/coaches will evolve, and there may be new opportunities for other tactics. analytics cannot tell you the appropriate strategy to take; they can only help to inform good strategic decision-making by resolving uncertainty.

You mean like.......when baseball has the switch on and has all its defenders on the 1B/RF side of the field to try and punch the ball down the line of 3B/LF? Because they haven't figured that out yet.

 

[rockypanther]

Those are very basic analytics. Those aren’t the types of analytics teams are using to make decisions.

 

[rockypanther]

These types of analytics are the ones to determine situational play calls. offensive systems, spacing, rotations, player positions on the floor, what type of defense and pressures give the best probability to reduce points and the possessions of others offenses and even recruiting.
https://coachingtoolbox.net/basketball-drills/dribble-dribble-dribble-miss.html

 

[PittFamily2]

For a change this is actually a good thread hopefully some of the summary data will be posted along key assumptions, analytical interpretations and resulting conclusions.

 

[shrugginatlas]

You mean like.......when baseball has the switch on and has all its defenders on the 1B/RF side of the field to try and punch the ball down the line of 3B/LF? Because they haven't figured that out yet.

right. and for a long time, defenses didn’t figure out to put more linebackers in against the wishbone. but tattonement wins out eventually, else you get fired.