Basketball vs Business

[Fsgolfdr]

If evaluating Pitts current bb situation let's separate the play on the court from the business side and let's see where you end up
Basketball : since joining the ACC Pitts program has been trending down trying to play and recruit ACC style ball and players. While as a member of the BE Pitt was a contender year in year out. As a member of the ACC Pitt at best has been a middle of the pack program. Can this change competing with Duke ,UNC and Louisville , with the programs at Virginia and Miami improving greatly then you still have Syracuse ( which somehow Pitt beats like a drum ) . Can anyone really envision Pitt consistently beating the top three programs plus Virginia ? Everyone would agree that they can't do it without better talent ,but can anyone attract that level of talent to Pitt ? Is another coach working under the same constraints as currently exist going to attract the talent needed ? To be able to compete at the top of the ACC in bb I think everyone would agree you need to be a top 10 team that can win the NCAA. The only period in Pitt sports (modern ) history when Pitt competed for national championships was in Fb with Johnny Majors 1 and Jackie Sherrill with the assistance of THE GOLDEN PANTHERS. In bb the players started rolling in under Chipman and continued under early Evans with the help of THE GOLDEN PANTHERS. Unfortunately Evans couldn't coach because the talent was here to win the NCAA . Once the Golden Panthers were disbanded Pitt was never able to attract enough top talent to seriously compete for national championships in either sport. Under JD with a mature team adding Blair gave Pitt a chance. But none of JDs teams ever had the talent of Smith ,Lane ,Shorter ,Gore etc.teams. Some people don't seem to care if Pitt returned to the days of buying players and that's the only way I could see attracting the type of players needed to elevate Pitt to the level needed to compete in the ACC ,but unfortunately for you the administration isn't in your corner . The only way I see to compete is to play a different style of ball then Duke & UNC etc play Pitt BE style ball and Pitt currently has as its coach the winningest % coach in BE history. Jamie needs to go back to his roots tough Physcial mature teams and occasionally land a Blair or a Sam Young . Conclusion if you want to play BE style ball we have the right coach ,he hasn't shown the ability to recruit well enough to play and beat the ACC elite teams so if you think we can beat Duke ,UNC ,Louisville, Virginia at their game he has to go.
Business: Decreasing attendance means decreasing revenue and donations. If Pitt decided to change coaches because fan interest ($ ) the move would have to be cash positive. Firing JD would cost many millions ,hiring a name coach would cost 4/5 million / yr . So let's do the math let's say there's 3000 season tickets to sell at $1000 ( face value + donation ) that's 3 million dollars more revenue add in concessions and parking another 250k . Not enough to cover your expenses ,hire an unknown up and comer who flops now your really in the hole.
Conclusion $tay put.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Ever hear of paragraphs?---typical "settler"

Not in English class.
Not a settler realistic . I'd love to see Duke or Kentuckey talent wearing Pitt jerseys ,but it's not going to happen and those of you that think it will are delusional .

 

[Piranha]

If evaluating Pitts current bb situation let's separate the play on the court from the business side and let's see where you end up
Basketball : since joining the ACC Pitts program has been trending down trying to play and recruit ACC style ball and players. While as a member of the BE Pitt was a contender year in year out. As a member of the ACC Pitt at best has been a middle of the pack program. Can this change competing with Duke ,UNC and Louisville , with the programs at Virginia and Miami improving greatly then you still have Syracuse ( which somehow Pitt beats like a drum ) . Can anyone really envision Pitt consistently beating the top three programs plus Virginia ? Everyone would agree that they can't do it without better talent ,but can anyone attract that level of talent to Pitt ? Is another coach working under the same constraints as currently exist going to attract the talent needed ? To be able to compete at the top of the ACC in bb I think everyone would agree you need to be a top 10 team that can win the NCAA. The only period in Pitt sports (modern ) history when Pitt competed for national championships was in Fb with Johnny Majors 1 and Jackie Sherrill with the assistance of THE GOLDEN PANTHERS. In bb the players started rolling in under Chipman and continued under early Evans with the help of THE GOLDEN PANTHERS. Unfortunately Evans couldn't coach because the talent was here to win the NCAA . Once the Golden Panthers were disbanded Pitt was never able to attract enough top talent to seriously compete for national championships in either sport. Under JD with a mature team adding Blair gave Pitt a chance. But none of JDs teams ever had the talent of Smith ,Lane ,Shorter ,Gore etc.teams. Some people don't seem to care if Pitt returned to the days of buying players and that's the only way I could see attracting the type of players needed to elevate Pitt to the level needed to compete in the ACC ,but unfortunately for you the administration isn't in your corner . The only way I see to compete is to play a different style of ball then Duke & UNC etc play Pitt BE style ball and Pitt currently has as its coach the winningest % coach in BE history. Jamie needs to go back to his roots tough Physcial mature teams and occasionally land a Blair or a Sam Young . Conclusion if you want to play BE style ball we have the right coach ,he hasn't shown the ability to recruit well enough to play and beat the ACC elite teams so if you think we can beat Duke ,UNC ,Louisville, Virginia at their game he has to go.
Business: Decreasing attendance means decreasing revenue and donations. If Pitt decided to change coaches because fan interest ($ ) the move would have to be cash positive. Firing JD would cost many millions ,hiring a name coach would cost 4/5 million / yr . So let's do the math let's say there's 3000 season tickets to sell at $1000 ( face value + donation ) that's 3 million dollars more revenue add in concessions and parking another 250k . Not enough to cover your expenses ,hire an unknown up and comer who flops now your really in the hole.
Conclusion $tay put.

Last time I checked UConn and SU were in the same conference as us when they won about 5 national titles combined over a 15 year stretch or so. Guess what - we won a good amount of games against them and were an upper echelon team. We already proved we could do it over a 10 yr stretch.

 

[Delpanther]

Not in English class.
Not a settler realistic . I'd love to see Duke or Kentuckey talent wearing Pitt jerseys ,but it's not going to happen and those of you that think it will are delusional .

Yopu don't have to worry about Kentucky ot Duke talent playing at Pitt so long ass Pitt has a coach stuck in 1950 style offense. If Calioari were at Pitt, we'd win a antional championship in 4 years. Pitt's shortcoming have everything to do with the coaching staff and absolutely NOTHING endemic to Pitt the institution. Quit setting up flawed logic trees that lead to the inexorable, sole conclusion that Pitt can only succeed in BB with Dixon.

 

[Piranha]

How about simply getting back to where Xavier, Virginia, Miami, VCU, Nova, Iowa St are as programs right now or where we were from 2002-2010.

 

[PittPoker]

If evaluating Pitts current bb situation let's separate the play on the court from the business side and let's see where you end up
Basketball : since joining the ACC Pitts program has been trending down trying to play and recruit ACC style ball and players. While as a member of the BE Pitt was a contender year in year out. As a member of the ACC Pitt at best has been a middle of the pack program. Can this change competing with Duke ,UNC and Louisville , with the programs at Virginia and Miami improving greatly then you still have Syracuse ( which somehow Pitt beats like a drum ) . Can anyone really envision Pitt consistently beating the top three programs plus Virginia ? Everyone would agree that they can't do it without better talent ,but can anyone attract that level of talent to Pitt ? Is another coach working under the same constraints as currently exist going to attract the talent needed ? To be able to compete at the top of the ACC in bb I think everyone would agree you need to be a top 10 team that can win the NCAA. The only period in Pitt sports (modern ) history when Pitt competed for national championships was in Fb with Johnny Majors 1 and Jackie Sherrill with the assistance of THE GOLDEN PANTHERS. In bb the players started rolling in under Chipman and continued under early Evans with the help of THE GOLDEN PANTHERS. Unfortunately Evans couldn't coach because the talent was here to win the NCAA . Once the Golden Panthers were disbanded Pitt was never able to attract enough top talent to seriously compete for national championships in either sport. Under JD with a mature team adding Blair gave Pitt a chance. But none of JDs teams ever had the talent of Smith ,Lane ,Shorter ,Gore etc.teams. Some people don't seem to care if Pitt returned to the days of buying players and that's the only way I could see attracting the type of players needed to elevate Pitt to the level needed to compete in the ACC ,but unfortunately for you the administration isn't in your corner . The only way I see to compete is to play a different style of ball then Duke & UNC etc play Pitt BE style ball and Pitt currently has as its coach the winningest % coach in BE history. Jamie needs to go back to his roots tough Physcial mature teams and occasionally land a Blair or a Sam Young . Conclusion if you want to play BE style ball we have the right coach ,he hasn't shown the ability to recruit well enough to play and beat the ACC elite teams so if you think we can beat Duke ,UNC ,Louisville, Virginia at their game he has to go.
Business: Decreasing attendance means decreasing revenue and donations. If Pitt decided to change coaches because fan interest ($ ) the move would have to be cash positive. Firing JD would cost many millions ,hiring a name coach would cost 4/5 million / yr . So let's do the math let's say there's 3000 season tickets to sell at $1000 ( face value + donation ) that's 3 million dollars more revenue add in concessions and parking another 250k . Not enough to cover your expenses ,hire an unknown up and comer who flops now your really in the hole.
Conclusion $tay put.

May I suggest more paragraphs and some spaces between your post. It is hard to read.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Last time I checked UConn and SU were in the same conference as us when they won about 5 national titles combined over a 15 year stretch or so. Guess what - we won a good amount of games against them and were an upper echelon team. We already proved we could do it over a 10 yr stretch.

playing BE style ball

Yopu don't have to worry about Kentucky ot Duke talent playing at Pitt so long ass Pitt has a coach stuck in 1950 style offense. If Calioari were at Pitt, we'd win a antional championship in 4 years. Pitt's shortcoming have everything to do with the coaching staff and absolutely NOTHING endemic to Pitt the institution. Quit setting up flawed logic trees that lead to the inexorable, sole conclusion that Pitt can only succeed in BB with Dixon.

it's not that I don't think Pitt can't find another coach who could be successful but hiring a proven big time coach would require an amount of $$$$$ that Pitt isn't going to invest, hiring an unknown is a risk. If an unknown mid major coach comes in here and flops now where do you go.Remember Duquense use to be the big dog in town now after years of losing no one cares . Plus I'm not saying if things don't start improving stay put. The team needs to show improvement next year before I'd give serious consideration to make a change. Two years of the same changes need to be made at the top.

 

[paulbl99]

How about simply getting back to where Xavier, Virginia, Miami, VCU, Nova, Iowa St are as programs right now or where we were from 2002-2010.

Not ever have called for JD to be fired

But nobody on this board has ever given one good reason that Pitt can't do better ....
Shouldn't be doing better than the direction of recent seasons

If JD should leave maybe Pitt would screw the pooch replacing him and goodness knows there is history.

But he's not irreplaceable by this University that is silly to believe

 

[Fsgolfdr]

How about simply getting back to where Xavier, Virginia, Miami, VCU, Nova, Iowa St are as programs right now or where we were from 2002-2010.

I don't think anyone even the " settlers" are happy about where the program is. Pitt was successful in a very tough BE and going to the ACC isn't the problem . The problem is trying to play ACC style ball without the ability to out recruit your rivals. You have to play your game not someone else's . Do you really think any coach coming in here without paying for recruits can out recruit Duke or UNC ?

 

[Piranha]

playing BE style ball
it's not that I don't think Pitt can't find another coach who could be successful but hiring a proven big time coach would require an amount of $$$$$ that Pitt isn't going to invest, hiring an unknown is a risk. If an unknown mid major coach comes in here and flops now where do you go.Remember Duquense use to be the big dog in town now after years of losing no one cares . Plus I'm not saying if things don't start improving stay put. The team needs to show improvement next year before I'd give serious consideration to make a change. Two years of the same changes need to be made at the top.

playing BE style ball
it's not that I don't think Pitt can't find another coach who could be successful but hiring a proven big time coach would require an amount of $$$$$ that Pitt isn't going to invest, hiring an unknown is a risk. If an unknown mid major coach comes in here and flops now where do you go.Remember Duquense use to be the big dog in town now after years of losing no one cares . Plus I'm not saying if things don't start improving stay put. The team needs to show improvement next year before I'd give serious consideration to make a change. Two years of the same changes need to be made at the top.

Duquesne plays in the Atlantic 10, gets about 2k people a game, their facilities are bad, and I cannot remember the last they made the Big Dance. Pitt has every advantage over them, and JD is the 21st highest paid HC in the country. Do u think Duquesne would have better results if they spent this much $?

 

[Piranha]

I don't think anyone even the " settlers" are happy about where the program is. Pitt was successful in a very tough BE and going to the ACC isn't the problem . The problem is trying to play ACC style ball without the ability to out recruit your rivals. You have to play your game not someone else's . Do you really think any coach coming in here without paying for recruits can out recruit Duke or UNC ?

We never out recruited SU or UConn, but we beat them on the court. Who recruits and develops the players? Who hires the assistant coaches?

 

[paulbl99]

I don't think anyone even the " settlers" are happy about where the program is. Pitt was successful in a very tough BE and going to the ACC isn't the problem . The problem is trying to play ACC style ball without the ability to out recruit your rivals. You have to play your game not someone else's . Do you really think any coach coming in here without paying for recruits can out recruit Duke or UNC ?

Which school in the previous group of schools can out recruit Duke UNC....but teams have won the ACC regular season or tourney or other recently ...
Not named Duke UNC!!

Imo most here are just searching for someway JD could take Pitt close to there but struggle with what is in front of them...

Again Pitt won't fire JD and he isn't leaving and that's still a good thing

 

[Fsgolfdr]

We never out recruited SU or UConn, but we beat them on the court. Who recruits and develops the players? Who hires the assistant coaches?

Both won national championships both got put on probation

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Duquesne plays in the Atlantic 10, gets about 2k people a game, their facilities are bad, and I cannot remember the last they made the Big Dance. Pitt has every advantage over them, and JD is the 21st highest paid HC in the country. Do u think Duquesne would have better results if they spent this much $?

Missing the point Pitt wasn't in the picture it was all Duqusene in the 60's . Pitt sucked if you wanted to go see college bb when I was a kid you went to see the Dukes play. My dad was a Pitt grad and he took me to Duqusene games not Pitt .The towns interest in Pitt bb is disappearing so what happens if they hire another Willard and there's 4/5 years of losing the Pete will be empty. If someone wants to bankroll JDs buyout and put up another 20 mil or so to get a great coach here I'm all in. Call when you find the guy!
I'm willing to give him two years ,next season needs to show improvement and development followed by a good recruiting class. Year two needs to be a entertaining competitive team.

 

[Piranha]

Both won national championships both got put on probation

LOL - come on man! Do the banners still hang in the rafters? Do the players and coaches still have their rings? Are they still listed as national championships? Have u ever bragged about our 1976 football title? If you have, then you would be a hypocrite if you think we followed all the rules.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Which school in the previous group of schools can out recruit Duke UNC....but teams have won the ACC regular season or tourney or other recently ...
Not named Duke UNC!!

Imo most here are just searching for someway JD could take Pitt close to there but struggle with what is in front of them...

Again Pitt won't fire JD and he isn't leaving and that's still a good thing

Winning an occasional championship isn't out of the question. Once every 8-10 yrs yes consistently no

 

[Piranha]

Missing the point Pitt wasn't in the picture it was all Duqusene in the 60's . Pitt sucked if you wanted to go see college bb when I was a kid you went to see the Dukes play. My dad was a Pitt grad and he took me to Duqusene games not Pitt .The towns interest in Pitt bb is disappearing so what happens if they hire another Willard and there's 4/5 years of losing the Pete will be empty. If someone wants to bankroll JDs buyout and put up another 20 mil or so to get a great coach here I'm all in. Call when you find the guy!
I'm willing to give him two years ,next season needs to show improvement and development followed by a good recruiting class. Year two needs to be a entertaining competitive team.

1960's - Seriously? I get what you are trying to say but you are not even close to the target. Times are constantly changing, and u need to keep evolving to keep up. Just look at technology for example. The same thing can be applied to your job, life in general, sports, etc.. JD is not evolving as a coach.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

LOL - come on man! Do the banners still hang in the rafters? Do the players and coaches still have their rings? Are they still listed as national championships? Have u ever bragged about our 1976 football title? If you have, then you would be a hypocrite if you think we followed all the rules.

I was there when they won in 76 ,it was great.
I don't know if your aware of this ,but I don't happen to make the decisions on which rules to follow at Pitt. As a fan I have no say if my school wants to play by the rules or hire hookers. Now if Pitt is cheating then their just not very good at it ,but I don't think they do. Knowing this I have to adjust my expectations which I have done while others no names be mentioned don't seem able to grasp the concept. Part of me says bring back the Golden Panthers get great players here but it just doesn't matter what I think. I get it.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

1960's - Seriously? I get what you are trying to say but you are not even close to the target. Times are constantly changing, and u need to keep evolving to keep up. Just look at technology for example. The same thing can be applied to your job, life in general, sports, etc.. JD is not evolving as a coach.

You still don't get it this can happen to Pitt . Fire a coach hire someone fire him till no one cares. Hell there's not 10000 people in WPa interested enough to go to games now.

 

[Cap pitt]

Which school in the previous group of schools can out recruit Duke UNC....but teams have won the ACC regular season or tourney or other recently ...
Not named Duke UNC!!

Imo most here are just searching for someway JD could take Pitt close to there but struggle with what is in front of them...

Again Pitt won't fire JD and he isn't leaving and that's still a good thing

From what I understand, he's gone

 

[Las Panteras]

From what I understand, he's gone

agreed.

TCU canned their coach weeks ago. Today, CBS reports an offer is extended. Enough time to negotiate, and finalize a deal.

This deal was made before Pitt lost Friday night.

i will miss Jamie, personally. id like him to finish his career at Pitt.

 

[Piranha]

agreed.

TCU canned their coach weeks ago. Today, CBS reports an offer is extended. Enough time to negotiate, and finalize a deal.

This deal was made before Pitt lost Friday night.

i will miss Jamie, personally. id like him to finish his career at Pitt.

I guess that explains ANO getting all those mins. No coach in their right mind could possibly think that was a good idea.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

May I suggest more paragraphs and some spaces between your post. It is hard to read.

Give the guy a break hes posting to a message board not writing a thesis!
If I can work thru it so can you! Lol!