Beat VT and Lose to Wake, still win Coastal if:

[Sean Miller Fan]

UVa loses at GT that day, which they probably will.

Miami loses either at GT on Saturday or at VT on 11/17.

Basically, as long as we beat VT, we can lose to Wake and still clinch the Coastal that day.

 

[wbrpanther]

UVa loses at GT that day, which they probably will.

Miami loses either at GT on Saturday or at VT on 11/17.

Basically, as long as we beat VT, we can lose to Wake and still clinch the Coastal that day.

I have no interest in losing to Wake.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

UVa loses at GT that day, which they probably will.

Miami loses either at GT on Saturday or at VT on 11/17.

Basically, as long as we beat VT, we can lose to Wake and still clinch the Coastal that day.

I have no interest in losing to Wake.

Yea, just saying, its pretty much locked up with a W on Saturday. Like I'd sit V'lique the last 2 if we win and play him in Charlotte

 

[wbrpanther]

Yea, just saying, its pretty much locked up with a W on Saturday. Like I'd sit V'lique the last 2 if we win and play him in Charlotte

Yeah. I’d save him for Charlotte and the Bowl game.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Yea, just saying, its pretty much locked up with a W on Saturday. Like I'd sit V'lique the last 2 if we win and play him in Charlotte

I think I already know the answer to this question, but do post-season games (bowls, conference championships) count toward the four game rule?

 

[California Panther]

I think I already know the answer to this question, but do post-season games (bowls, conference championships) count toward the four game rule?

Chris asked Duzz this in a press conference recently and Duzz said YES, bowl games count towards the 4.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yea, just saying, its pretty much locked up with a W on Saturday. Like I'd sit V'lique the last 2 if we win and play him in Charlotte

Yeah. I’d save him for Charlotte and the Bowl game.

Cant do both:

1. Duke
2. UVa
3. VT

If we beat VT:
4. ACCCG

The Sun Bowl is just an exhibition. Nice to win but its possible to win without Carter anyway. Not worth giving up a year

 

[pittbb80]

Just win out. No reason this Pitt team can’t do that.

 

[SSS811]

If we beat VT, I feel pretty good about our chances of winning out.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Why are people still worried about preserving redshirts?

There is no bonus .

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Why are people still worried about preserving redshirts?

There is no bonus .

If by "people" you mean coaches all over the country who are doing the smart thing and playing freshman four games to use the rule to their advantage? The bonus for the vast majority of players who don't go pro early is you get to play a 22/23 year old in their athletic prime with more game experience,

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

If by "people" you mean coaches all over the country who are doing the smart thing and playing freshman four games to use the rule to their advantage? The bonus for the vast majority of players who don't go pro early is you get to play a 22/23 year old in their athletic prime with more game experience,

No I mean posters here , who have no reason to worry about the Issue.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why are people still worried about preserving redshirts?

There is no bonus .

Would you stop it. If we beat VT, there is a 90% chance we win the Coastal, there is no need waste a year of Carter's eligibility to play him in unnecessary games. I mean its not like its impossible to win without him.

If we beat VT, we are going to win the Coastal even if we lose to Wake and if we cant beat Wake without him, then we don't deserve it.

And if we clinch the Coastal without playing him vs Wake, why waste a year to play him in a meaningless game vs Miami or the Sun Bowl?

 

[BuffetParrothead]

UVa loses at GT that day, which they probably will.

Miami loses either at GT on Saturday or at VT on 11/17.

Basically, as long as we beat VT, we can lose to Wake and still clinch the Coastal that day.

Why allow others to control your destiny.
That's not the way winners look at things!
Win out!
PITT is in control of where they end up.
-ACC Coastal Winners
-ACC Championship Game
-Good Bowl Game

If PITT wins out there'll be more positive Buzz surrounding the PITT football program than the Nitter program by season end.
Franklin and the Nitters are in damage control mode at this time.
Expectations were set to high which can be a disasterous!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Would you stop it. If we beat VT, there is a 90% chance we win the Coastal, there is no need waste a year of Carter's eligibility to play him in unnecessary games. I mean its not like its impossible to win without him.

If we beat VT, we are going to win the Coastal even if we lose to Wake and if we cant beat Wake without him, then we don't deserve it.

And if we clinch the Coastal without playing him vs Wake, why waste a year to play him in a meaningless game vs Miami or the Sun Bowl?

I don’t give years of eligibility a second thought and neither should you.

If he can help us win- play him in every game.
Worry about replacing him in 3 Years

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Don't redshirt any kid who can help you win games.

That's what recruiting is for.

Redshirting is to develop a kid into someone who can help you win games.

 

[pittbb80]

You play to win the game. If a kid can help you win any game then he should play. Programs get in trouble when they place more value in peripheral issues like preserving a redshirt over winning

 

[WiseAndGlorious]

The Miami game and Bowl aren't meaningless from a program standpoint though. If they win the next three, lose in the ACCCG and then win a bowl, they finish 9-5. The difference between 8 and 9 wins?

• It would set a new high water mark for HCPN.
• Pitt hasn't had that many wins since 2009.
• It likely means they finish ranked, something that we haven't done since 2009.
• In the last ten years, only one team that doesn't play in the SEC West has finished in the Top 25 with less than 9 wins.

To do that the offense needs every playmaker that it can get. Play the kid.

 

[RoguePanther]

 

[Pittx9]

I don’t give years of eligibility a second thought and neither should you.

If he can help us win- play him in every game.
Worry about replacing him in 3 Years

I do think we could use the 4 game rule to our advantage. But depending on the player you also gotta consider they can leave for the draft 3 years removed from HS.... junior or RS sophomore it doesn’t matter. So that rule could backfire if said kid becomes a really great one. You could potentially sit him for most of his first year, only to see him leave after his next two full seasons.

 

[Pitt79]

Why do think we lose to Wake? They aren't very good.

 

[RoguePanther]

In how many games has Salahuddin played? I only saw him @ UCF. One would think he could do what Carter does with his speed.

 

[WiseAndGlorious]

I do think we could use the 4 game rule to our advantage. But depending on the player you also gotta consider they can leave for the draft 3 years removed from HS.... junior or RS sophomore it doesn’t matter. So that rule could backfire if said kid becomes a really great one. You could potentially sit him for most of his first year, only to see him leave after his next two full seasons.

Worrying about it 2 games into his career is pointless. Everyone was clamoring for Hamlin to play as a freshman. Then lamenting that Pitt wasted his RS. Now in his 3rd year, is anyone worrying about him leaving early?

If he is that good that he can get drafted after his junior or RS soph season, then that is a good problem to have. Either way, you need to recruit more like him.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The Miami game and Bowl aren't meaningless from a program standpoint though. If they win the next three, lose in the ACCCG and then win a bowl, they finish 9-5. The difference between 8 and 9 wins?

• It would set a new high water mark for HCPN.
• Pitt hasn't had that many wins since 2009.
• It likely means they finish ranked, something that we haven't done since 2009.
• In the last ten years, only one team that doesn't play in the SEC West has finished in the Top 25 with less than 9 wins.

To do that the offense needs every playmaker that it can get. Play the kid.

Here's what you guys don't understand:

It is possible to win games without Carter playing. He does not guarantee victory.

You can actually have it both ways. It is possible that we can beat Wake Forest, Miami, and the bowl game without him and then he has another year. It is also possible that we lose all 3 with him and you completely wasted a year.

 

[WiseAndGlorious]

Here's what you guys don't understand:

It is possible to win games without Carter playing. He does not guarantee victory.

You can actually have it both ways. It is possible that we can beat Wake Forest, Miami, and the bowl game without him and then he has another year. It is also possible that we lose all 3 with him and you completely wasted a year.

Here is what you don't understand / willfully ignore: Play your best players and that gives you the best chance at winning.

 

[VolPanther]

Why do think we lose to Wake? They aren't very good.

Agree they are not good and lost their QB for the year so if we do lose to them we really don't deserve anything especially knowing whats at stake. Had we not lost to NC we would be clinching this weekend with a win. I'm glad we are playing Wake and not NC in a high stakes game as we all know NC has our number for whatever reason. I know our history is to play down to competition but if we get by VT which I don't think is a given by any means I think they will be focused on winning outright at Wake and making Miami a meaningless game other than it would be nice beating them again and with momentum going into Charlotte. Obviously the chances of surprising Clemson again are not good but you never know.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Would you stop it. If we beat VT, there is a 90% chance we win the Coastal, there is no need waste a year of Carter's eligibility to play him in unnecessary games. I mean its not like its impossible to win without him.

If we beat VT, we are going to win the Coastal even if we lose to Wake and if we cant beat Wake without him, then we don't deserve it.

And if we clinch the Coastal without playing him vs Wake, why waste a year to play him in a meaningless game vs Miami or the Sun Bowl?

Not that I think he will actually make that much difference between winning and losing(he didn't against VA) but I would much rather burn his redshirt and go 8-4 than keep it and go 7-5 or 6-6 even if we win the division regardless. 8-4 with a appearance in the ACC championship game is worth it to me, that's a season that the program can build off of. Maybe PN is able to use that to recruit 3 more guys of the same caliber.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Here is what you don't understand / willfully ignore: Play your best players and that gives you the best chance at winning.

This sounds like a good rule of thumb, especially in a year like this when we still have stuff on the line. But I do think there is a such thing as being dumb about burning a red shirt in meaningless games, and it seems like some of you don't want to stipulate that is ever possible.

 

[WiseAndGlorious]

This sounds like a good rule of thumb, especially in a year like this when we still have stuff on the line. But I do think there is a such thing as being dumb about burning a red shirt in meaningless games, and it seems like some of you don't want to stipulate that is ever possible.

Absolutely, there are dumb instances. If a kid isn't ready, or if there is already depth there and he isn't utilized I think that qualifies. But our offense is pretty one dimensional and even more so if Ollison is still dinged up. We need playmakers, so why would we not play the kid?

 

[TFloss]

It's funny you bring up Carter because I'd be way more interested in potentially preserving Danielson's redshirt.

We can find a jet sweep guy who is plug and play. I'd enjoy having a 5th year DT down the road.

 

[Jpripper88]

Here's what you guys don't understand:

It is possible to win games without Carter playing. He does not guarantee victory.

You can actually have it both ways. It is possible that we can beat Wake Forest, Miami, and the bowl game without him and then he has another year. It is also possible that we lose all 3 with him and you completely wasted a year.

But who cares, whether a guy who has 4 good carries redshirts? How is playing him in 3 more games wasting a year? He was a marginal recruit. He doesn't have a position. A best, his position is the most easily replaced via recruiting.

The fact anyone thinks we should sit him for 3 games, when the coaches obviously think he helps them win games is absolutely insane. I swear, some of you are absolutely terrified of winning football games.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Absolutely, there are dumb instances. If a kid isn't ready, or if there is already depth there and he isn't utilized I think that qualifies. But our offense is pretty one dimensional and even more so if Ollison is still dinged up. We need playmakers, so why would we not play the kid?

Fair enough. Narduzzi said he intends to red shirt him but may change his mind and play him too. I have fine with either decision as long as he plays if he's healthy in games that can help us win the ACC. I don't care what happens in bowl games, a lot of seniors already sit them out now anyway.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Has it occurred to anyone that Carter may not want to redshirt?

By all accounts he's been pushing the coaches for playing time, and wants to play. Now. His words, "Whatever it takes to get on the field." He asked to play on offense on the scout team to attempt to get in the games. This season. Not four years from now.

 

[Jpripper88]

Fair enough. Narduzzi said he intends to red shirt him but may change his mind and play him too. I have fine with either decision as long as he plays if he's healthy in games that can help us win the ACC. I don't care what happens in bowl games, a lot of seniors already sit them out now anyway.

That just is not true.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

it is for running backs/nfl draft candidates.

also do people want a list of good fifth year seniors in Pitt history? because it seems like we've had a lot. And our opponents will likely be using the new rule to their advantage too.

The most extreme examples is Utah and BYU having so many older players because of Mormon missions.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Absolutely, there are dumb instances. If a kid isn't ready, or if there is already depth there and he isn't utilized I think that qualifies. But our offense is pretty one dimensional and even more so if Ollison is still dinged up. We need playmakers, so why would we not play the kid?

Fair enough. Narduzzi said he intends to red shirt him but may change his mind and play him too. I have fine with either decision as long as he plays if he's healthy in games that can help us win the ACC. I don't care what happens in bowl games, a lot of seniors already sit them out now anyway.

Beat VT. Figure out a way to beat almighty Wake Forest without him. Play the scout team vs Miami because the game doesn't matter. Play V'lique in the ACCCG even though its a loss but its a thrill for the kid and maybe he does some things to get his name out there and fans excited for next year. Sit him in the bowl game exhibition and figure out if its remotely possible to beat a 7-5 team without him. Hint: its possible

 

[Jpripper88]

it is for running backs/nfl draft candidates.

also do people want a list of good fifth year seniors in Pitt history? because it seems like we've had a lot. And our opponents will likely be using the new rule to their advantage too.

The most extreme examples is Utah and BYU having so many older players because of Mormon missions.

No, it isn't. A few people have sat out. It isn't even remotely close to "a lot". This kid has 4 good carries and doesn't have a position. He isn't in the same discussion as NFL draft candidates or players we can't recruit to replace.

The successful programs will play the best players they can and not worry about benching a player, who is actively contributing, for 3 games, because they want to save a redshirt. That is especially true for a coaching staff that is not even remotely guaranteed the next 2 years, let alone the next 4. Pitt hasn't been a good program. Pitt needs to win games, but even more, this Pitt coaching staff needs to win games.

Do you want a list of all the FR contributing around the country and for programs with far, far more talent than we have?

 

[Jpripper88]

Beat VT. Figure out a way to beat almighty Wake Forest without him. Play the scout team vs Miami because the game doesn't matter. Play V'lique in the ACCCG even though its a loss but its a thrill for the kid and maybe he does some things to get his name out there and fans excited for next year. Sit him in the bowl game exhibition and figure out if its remotely possible to beat a 7-5 team without him. Hint: its possible

This is unbelievably stupid and incredibly pathetic. You are petrified of winning. Pitt's program is in such good shape we should punt 2 games and a chance to be ranked to save the redshirt of a lowly recruited position less player with 4 good carries. Sometimes I really can't believe how sad the state of our program and fanbase is.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Do you want a list of all the FR contributing around the country and for programs with far, far more talent than we have?

It's probably a long list.
As is the list of coaches playing freshmen for four games then sitting them.

As coach said,
“We only get so many games with him,” Narduzzi said. “We got to pick and choose when it’s important to use him.” “You’d like to preserve it (the redshirt) if you could,” he continued. “I think we got other good players that can make plays happen. You’d like to preserve it.”

 

[Jpripper88]

It's probably a long list.
As is the list of coaches playing freshmen for four games then sitting them.

As coach said,
“We only get so many games with him,” Narduzzi said. “We got to pick and choose when it’s important to use him.” “You’d like to preserve it (the redshirt) if you could,” he continued. “I think we got other good players that can make plays happen. You’d like to preserve it.”

Can you provide some examples of similar players/situations? They are late season contributors, who were big parts of games and are going to be benched from game planned roles in multiple games?

Obviously HCPN's track record in this area is terrible, albeit with a different parameter.