Big government coming for hairstyles now

[Sean Miller Fan]

I think we all agree that the old Republican Party is gone. This new MAGA Party believes in government control over every aspect of your life. This is an Arkansas bill but it makes hair stylists liable if they give an underage girl a boy-style haircut if that youth tells them they are transitioning to become a boy. I guess if the girl went in for the haircut and didn't say anything about transitioning and just wanted short hair, it's fine. But if the girl tells the stylist they are transitioning and want a short haircut, the stylist will go to prison.

I mean there has to be a line somewhere. If a 16 year old kid walks into a salon, nothing that happens there should be illegal. This isn't an abortion clinic or some other medical facility. This is a haircut. Come on.

GOP proposes bill that would punish supporting trans youth through new names and haircuts

A bill in Arkansas would allow lawsuits against people who use trans kids' preferred names or give them gender nonconforming haircuts.

www.yahoo.com

 

[NCPitt]

I think we all agree that the old Republican Party is gone. This new MAGA Party believes in government control over every aspect of your life. This is an Arkansas bill but it makes hair stylists liable if they give an underage girl a boy-style haircut if that youth tells them they are transitioning to become a boy. I guess if the girl went in for the haircut and didn't say anything about transitioning and just wanted short hair, it's fine. But if the girl tells the stylist they are transitioning and want a short haircut, the stylist will go to prison.

I mean there has to be a line somewhere. If a 16 year old kid walks into a salon, nothing that happens there should be illegal. This isn't an abortion clinic or some other medical facility. This is a haircut. Come on.

GOP proposes bill that would punish supporting trans youth through new names and haircuts

A bill in Arkansas would allow lawsuits against people who use trans kids' preferred names or give them gender nonconforming haircuts.

www.yahoo.com

The kid or their parents can sue. While that seems extreme to you, parents should have a say about what happens to their underage kids.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

That's a bit extreme. But this day and age when school nurses cannot give a child a Tylenol without parent's consent, to play this "hide and seek" game with kids who are confused is criminal.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The kid or their parents can sue. While that seems extreme to you, parents should have a say about what happens to their underage kids.

We are talking about haircuts. Haircuts! I know you are a big government guy but if a girl walks into a salon with $30 and says "I want to be a boy, give me a short haircut," you can't be suing the hair stylist. That is North Korea-level extreme. You must admit that. I'm not talking about school decisions or medical decisions. I'm talking about a haircut.

 

[pittbb80]

That's a bit extreme. But this day and age when school nurses cannot give a child a Tylenol without parent's consent, to play this "hide and seek" game with kids who are confused is criminal.

Yeah. The intent of the law is good but the way it’s written appears to be flawed.

 

[NCPitt]

We are talking about haircuts. Haircuts! I know you are a big government guy but if a girl walks into a salon with $30 and says "I want to be a boy, give me a short haircut," you can't be suing the hair stylist. That is North Korea-level extreme. You must admit that. I'm not talking about school decisions or medical decisions. I'm talking about a haircut.

I'm the smallest govt guy you will ever know.

It doesn't take this law to sue a hairstylist, btw.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'm the smallest govt guy you will ever know.

It doesn't take this law to sue a hairstylist, btw.

You can sue anybody you want anytime you want. This law makes it illegal for a hair stylist to give a girl a boy-style haircut if the girl mentions something to the hair stylist about wanting to be a boy. As I said, Big government, which you are very much for, wants to control everything about you. This is just too much. If a 13 year old girl wants a boy haircut, the hair stylist shouldn't face criminal penalties no matter what the girl tells her. It's just hair. What's next: parental permission for haircuts?

Texas has a bill outlawing furries in schools. Listen, I think furries are weird. But they aren't hurting anyone. If you want to wear a dog collar at school and bark at your friend in the hallway, whatever. It's weird but whatever. They want to control everything about you. Are they going to ban kids from wearing sports game jerseys and pretending like they are dunking a basketball in the hallway? Again, this is just too much. Big government needs to let these kids be kids no matter how weird they are.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

You can sue anybody you want anytime you want. This law makes it illegal for a hair stylist to give a girl a boy-style haircut if the girl mentions something to the hair stylist about wanting to be a boy. As I said, Big government, which you are very much for, wants to control everything about you. This is just too much. If a 13 year old girl wants a boy haircut, the hair stylist shouldn't face criminal penalties no matter what the girl tells her. It's just hair. What's next: parental permission for haircuts?

Texas has a bill outlawing furries in schools. Listen, I think furries are weird. But they aren't hurting anyone. If you want to wear a dog collar at school and bark at your friend in the hallway, whatever. It's weird but whatever. They want to control everything about you. Are they going to ban kids from wearing sports game jerseys and pretending like they are dunking a basketball in the hallway? Again, this is just too much. Big government needs to let these kids be kids no matter how weird they are.

Ok. Furries are weird. But here is what happens. Then they will want special considerations for bathrooms. Or whatever. Maybe they want Fire Hydrants to be located in hallways so they can piss on them. That's the problem with all of these identity groups, then they think it should allow them special rights.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Ok. Furries are weird. But here is what happens. Then they will want special considerations for bathrooms. Or whatever. Maybe they want Fire Hydrants to be located in hallways so they can piss on them. That's the problem with all of these identity groups, then they think it should allow them special rights.

thanks, I got a good laugh out of that one.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Ok. Furries are weird. But here is what happens. Then they will want special considerations for bathrooms. Or whatever. Maybe they want Fire Hydrants to be located in hallways so they can piss on them. That's the problem with all of these identity groups, then they think it should allow them special rights.

Yea, they are weird but it's simple. They don't get special bathrooms or litter boxes or fire hydrants. We don't need to get crazy. Let's use common sense. If you want to act and dress like a dog, that it's fine. But you aren't a dog so you don't get special bathrooms. The government shouldn't tell you how to dress or if you can pretend to scratch your furry friend. We can just all agree it's weird and move on. BTW, I never knew this was even a thing in schools until recently.

 

[NCPitt]

You can sue anybody you want anytime you want. This law makes it illegal for a hair stylist to give a girl a boy-style haircut if the girl mentions something to the hair stylist about wanting to be a boy. As I said, Big government, which you are very much for, wants to control everything about you. This is just too much. If a 13 year old girl wants a boy haircut, the hair stylist shouldn't face criminal penalties no matter what the girl tells her. It's just hair. What's next: parental permission for haircuts?

Texas has a bill outlawing furries in schools. Listen, I think furries are weird. But they aren't hurting anyone. If you want to wear a dog collar at school and bark at your friend in the hallway, whatever. It's weird but whatever. They want to control everything about you. Are they going to ban kids from wearing sports game jerseys and pretending like they are dunking a basketball in the hallway? Again, this is just too much. Big government needs to let these kids be kids no matter how weird they are.

There is nothing that says it is illegal in that article.

Please name one big-govt program that I favor.

Schools can't have dress codes anymore?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There is nothing that says it is illegal in that article.

Please name one big-govt program that I favor.

Schools can't have dress codes anymore?

The government banning books

The government banning furries

The government paying for your kid's private education when a free one is provided

The government telling women what they can do with their body

The government telling you to buy Teslas.

The government telling schools what they can and can't teach, taking the authority away from local school districts and local voters.

I could go on and on.

Buddy, I am sorry, but you are Big government as long as you agree with it.

 

[NCPitt]

I could go on and on.

Buddy, I am sorry, but you are Big government as long as you agree with it.

The government banning books- Nope, not me. I want parents to ensure that age-appropriate books are in the classroom of their kids. I want no books banned, including the Bible.

The government banning furries - Nope, not me. I want schools to have dress codes.

The government paying for your kid's private education when a free one is provided - Nope, not me. I want school choice using currently available funding.

The government telling women what they can do with their body - Nope, not me. I oppose murder. That's no more big government than telling you that you can't shoot someone.

The government telling you to buy Teslas. - Nope, not me. I have no idea where this even came from. I don't even want subsidies for Tesla.

The government telling schools what they can and can't teach, taking the authority away from local school districts and local voters. - Nope not me. I want parents to ensure that their kids get taught what the parents want.

Try harder.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The government banning books- Nope, not me. I want parents to ensure that age-appropriate books are in the classroom of their kids. I want no books banned, including the Bible.

The government banning furries - Nope, not me. I want schools to have dress codes.

The government paying for your kid's private education when a free one is provided - Nope, not me. I want school choice using currently available funding.

The government telling women what they can do with their body - Nope, not me. I oppose murder. That's no more big government than telling you that you can't shoot someone.

The government telling you to buy Teslas. - Nope, not me. I have no idea where this even came from. I don't even want subsidies for Tesla.

The government telling schools what they can and can't teach, taking the authority away from local school districts and local voters. - Nope not me. I want parents to ensure that their kids get taught what the parents want.

Try harder.

So you are against DeSantis taking the power from local school districts to make their own decision.

And I'm not going to go down the school choice rabbit hole again. That's the biggest example of your preference or big government. Wanting to use PUBLIC money for a private education ESPECIALLY if you live in an area with an elite public school district is as big government as it gets. The government shouldn't be paying your tuition at Central Catholic if you live in Upper St Clair or Mount Lebanon. If you want to go to CC, that's on you to pay because your school district offers an elite education whether you like it or not. Those schools produce an unlimited supply of doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.

 

[NCPitt]

So you are against DeSantis taking the power from local school districts to make their own decision.

And I'm not going to go down the school choice rabbit hole again. That's the biggest example of your preference or big government. Wanting to use PUBLIC money for a private education ESPECIALLY if you live in an area with an elite public school district is as big government as it gets. The government shouldn't be paying your tuition at Central Catholic if you live in Upper St Clair or Mount Lebanon. If you want to go to CC, that's on you to pay because your school district offers an elite education whether you like it or not. Those schools produce an unlimited supply of doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.

No, I don't oppose DeSantis. I'm all for state's rights. States' actions are not "big govt". Federal actions are big govt.

School choice finding is simple. The public money allocated to each student's education should follow that student wherever he chooses to go.

 

[pittbb80]

No, I don't oppose DeSantis. I'm all for state's rights. States' actions are not "big govt". Federal actions are big govt.

School choice finding is simple. The public money allocated to each student's education should follow that student wherever he chooses to go.

Better idea. Take government out of it completely and eliminate public financing of schools all together.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No, I don't oppose DeSantis. I'm all for state's rights. States' actions are not "big govt". Federal actions are big govt.

School choice finding is simple. The public money allocated to each student's education should follow that student wherever he chooses to go.

Public money is public money. It shouldn't pay for private education. Public money is supposed to go for the greater good, ie the local public school district. If you live in an elite school district like USC or Lebo or PR or NA but, for political or religious reasons, you want your kid to get a worse education at a private school, there is no way taxpayers should pay for that unless you are a big government fan like yourself.

Big government is big government. You support it a Governor telling a local school district what to do when that school has a board elected by its peers to make local decisions. Do you not believe in local municipalities' rights?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I think we all agree that the old Republican Party is gone. This new MAGA Party believes in government control over every aspect of your life. This is an Arkansas bill but it makes hair stylists liable if they give an underage girl a boy-style haircut if that youth tells them they are transitioning to become a boy. I guess if the girl went in for the haircut and didn't say anything about transitioning and just wanted short hair, it's fine. But if the girl tells the stylist they are transitioning and want a short haircut, the stylist will go to prison.

I mean there has to be a line somewhere. If a 16 year old kid walks into a salon, nothing that happens there should be illegal. This isn't an abortion clinic or some other medical facility. This is a haircut. Come on.

GOP proposes bill that would punish supporting trans youth through new names and haircuts

A bill in Arkansas would allow lawsuits against people who use trans kids' preferred names or give them gender nonconforming haircuts.

www.yahoo.com

This isn’t big government.

 

[NCPitt]

Better idea. Take government out of it completely and eliminate public financing of schools all together.

How do poor kids get an education?

 

[NCPitt]

Public money is public money. It shouldn't pay for private education. Public money is supposed to go for the greater good, ie the local public school district. If you live in an elite school district like USC or Lebo or PR or NA but, for political or religious reasons, you want your kid to get a worse education at a private school, there is no way taxpayers should pay for that unless you are a big government fan like yourself.

Big government is big government. You support it a Governor telling a local school district what to do when that school has a board elected by its peers to make local decisions. Do you not believe in local municipalities' rights?

The greater good is education. It doesn't matter whether it is private or government.

I support states' rights and their interventionist role is entirely up to them. I'm a Constitutionalist and that is exactly the way it is supposed to work. So, no, I do believe in municipalities' rights. They are a subsidiary of the state.

None of that says I agree with what every state does. I always believed that government closest to the people is more efficient and accountable. There are some states that do that better than others. I would never live in those states that are interventionist extremists.

 

[BPKY]

No, I don't oppose DeSantis. I'm all for state's rights. States' actions are not "big govt". Federal actions are big govt.

School choice finding is simple. The public money allocated to each student's education should follow that student wherever he chooses to go.

Dude....why do you choose to continue when he's impervious to nuance?

 

[NCPitt]

Dude....why do you choose to continue when he's impervious to nuance?

He's impervious to the obvious as well.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The greater good is education. It doesn't matter whether it is private or government.

I support states' rights and their interventionist role is entirely up to them. I'm a Constitutionalist and that is exactly the way it is supposed to work. So, no, I do believe in municipalities' rights. They are a subsidiary of the state.

None of that says I agree with what every state does. I always believed that government closest to the people is more efficient and accountable. There are some states that do that better than others. I would never live in those states that are interventionist extremists.

So no matter the issue, you believe that the state government has the right to come in and tell you what your town can and can't do?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The greater good is education. It doesn't matter whether it is private or government.

Right. Public money creates a "free" education system for the town for the greater good. If that school isn't good enough for you, you have every right to spend your own money for a private school but money that is taken away from the public school harms the school and harms the students. And I know the answer: if the school was good enough, we wouldn't need to go private. But how do they measure schools: test scores. How are test scores determined: parental involvement and DNA.

You wanting the government to pay for private school is as crazy a big government idea as there ever can be.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This isn’t big government.

Nothing is when it's your team. Just like Russia's authoritarian rule isn't big government, right?

 

[Richard A]

You can sue anybody you want anytime you want. This law makes it illegal for a hair stylist to give a girl a boy-style haircut if the girl mentions something to the hair stylist about wanting to be a boy. As I said, Big government, which you are very much for, wants to control everything about you. This is just too much. If a 13 year old girl wants a boy haircut, the hair stylist shouldn't face criminal penalties no matter what the girl tells her. It's just hair. What's next: parental permission for haircuts?

Texas has a bill outlawing furries in schools. Listen, I think furries are weird. But they aren't hurting anyone. If you want to wear a dog collar at school and bark at your friend in the hallway, whatever. It's weird but whatever. They want to control everything about you. Are they going to ban kids from wearing sports game jerseys and pretending like they are dunking a basketball in the hallway? Again, this is just too much. Big government needs to let these kids be kids no matter how weird they are.

What the hell is happening in this country. If a 13 year old girl maybe wants a short hair cut because she plays sports and doesn’t want her hair in her eyes or better yet she she’s a singer or actress with short hair and wants that style haircut. When I was 15 I wanted to look the Beatles. Back then if you had long hair you were a communist. Don’t these politicians have better things to do?

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Nothing is when it's your team. Just like Russia's authoritarian rule isn't big government, right?

This is a state issue. That’s not big government. It’s how it was intended. And if the people in Arkansas don’t like it, they can do something about it.

 

[pittbb80]

How do poor kids get an education?

I was being a bit carcastic since dopey was making the argument about government control.

 

[NCPitt]

So no matter the issue, you believe that the state government has the right to come in and tell you what your town can and can't do?

Yes. Though I would hope they would not do so except under extreme circumstances.

You really need to take civics classes.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Free to organize themselves locally, the states have created various municipal sub-divisions such as counties, cities, townships, library boards, and special taxing districts. The relationship of these sub-divisions between each other and the state, and the authority each sub-division possesses are subjects of state constitutions and statutes.

A prime example was the governor of NY threatening to remove the mayor of NYC.

The US Constitution and Local Government

 

[BPKY]

Right. Public money creates a "free" education system for the town for the greater good. If that school isn't good enough for you, you have every right to spend your own money for a private school but money that is taken away from the public school harms the school and harms the students. And I know the answer: if the school was good enough, we wouldn't need to go private. But how do they measure schools: test scores. How are test scores determined: parental involvement and DNA.

You wanting the government to pay for private school is as crazy a big government idea as there ever can be.

Seriously, how do you equate the state taxing you to pay for your kid's education to getting a free education.

And how am I taking money away from the public school when they are taking MY money?

The leftist mindset simply believes that 5 poor parents who can't afford to educate their kids can vote to take money from four other people to pay for your kids' education.

And this is what Dems call dEmOcrAcY.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This is a state issue. That’s not big government. It’s how it was intended. And if the people in Arkansas don’t like it, they can do something about it.

Government is Government. Are you in favor of the state government trying to control hairstyles and which books to read

 

[NCPitt]

Government is Government. Are you in favor of the state government trying to control hairstyles and which books to read

No state government is doing either of those things.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

No…and school districts set curriculums. As it should and we the tax payers have every right to question our elected school board members who allow filth to be taught to 2nd graders.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

No state government is doing either of those things.

He doesn’t understand much.

 

[pittbb80]

No…and school districts set curriculums. As it should and we the tax payers have every right to question our elected school board members who allow filth to be taught to 2nd graders.

What a novel concept. Allowing parents to decide what books they want their kids to see

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

No…and school districts set curriculums. As it should and we the tax payers have every right to question our elected school board members who allow filth to be taught to 2nd graders.

That's the point. Take it up locally. The state shouldn't tell them what they can and can't teach other than mandating a general curriculum of math, science, etc

Here's another big government example. Oklahoma wants to pass a bill to mandate that Social Studies courses teach that the 2020 election was rigged. Listen, if a local school board wants to do that, they have every right. But big government shouldn't tell them what to teach locally.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Seriously, how do you equate the state taxing you to pay for your kid's education to getting a free education.

And how am I taking money away from the public school when they are taking MY money?

The leftist mindset simply believes that 5 poor parents who can't afford to educate their kids can vote to take money from four other people to pay for your kids' education.

And this is what Dems call dEmOcrAcY.

I put free in quotation marks.

To answer your 2nd paragraph, the system is set up to create local public school districts. The more money you take out of it to send to private schools, the worse that school district becomes. The public money should stay with public schools. Or get rid of the public school system, which I know some would be for. If you want to get rid of property taxes and just have all private schools that you have to pay for (but no prop tax), fine, do it. But this hybrid system of using public money to pay for a private education is wacky as shit ESPECIALLY if you live in an elite school district OR are wealthy. Some of these folks believe that millionaires in Upper St. Clair should be able to use public money to send their kids to Central. That is frigging crazy. USC is elite and you can afford CC on your own.

 

[BPKY]

Yes. Though I would hope they would not do so except under extreme circumstances.

You really need to take civics classes.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Free to organize themselves locally, the states have created various municipal sub-divisions such as counties, cities, townships, library boards, and special taxing districts. The relationship of these sub-divisions between each other and the state, and the authority each sub-division possesses are subjects of state constitutions and statutes.

A prime example was the governor of NY threatening to remove the mayor of NYC.

The US Constitution and Local Government

FWIW, there a numerous legal scholars that disagree with Davis Shestokas on the 14th amendment privileges and immunities federalization, i.e. the doctrine of selective incorporation. I'll look for a link.

 

[BPKY]

I put free in quotation marks.

To answer your 2nd paragraph, the system is set up to create local public school districts. The more money you take out of it to send to private schools, the worse that school district becomes. The public money should stay with public schools. Or get rid of the public school system, which I know some would be for. If you want to get rid of property taxes and just have all private schools that you have to pay for (but no prop tax), fine, do it. But this hybrid system of using public money to pay for a private education is wacky as shit ESPECIALLY if you live in an elite school district OR are wealthy. Some of these folks believe that millionaires in Upper St. Clair should be able to use public money to send their kids to Central. That is frigging crazy. USC is elite and you can afford CC on your own.

Okay. We agree then that taxpayers pay the school district to educate their kids. What else should we tax people for the greater good? A public pool? Vaccines? The latest AI?

What is this word you use - "Public Money"? There is only currency. It's neither public nor private. The currency that school districts confiscate from property owners is taken from private individuals and transferred to a government program.

Americans have been placed under a spell. The nation founded by Christians and based upon the the axiom that the sole purpose of government is to protect the unalienable rights of individuals has moved to the left and accepts the notion that government exists to provide services to the people that politicians believe serve the greater good.

This concept was anthema to the founders.

And FWIW, the Founders would puke if anyone used the class or wealth status of individuals to limit or expand the privileges granted to them by the government. That rich guy in USC deserves the same considerations as the poor slacker in Freeport.

 

[NCPitt]

Okay. We agree then that taxpayers pay the school district to educate their kids. What else should we tax people for the greater good? A public pool? Vaccines? The latest AI?

What is this word you use - "Public Money"? There is only currency. It's neither public nor private. The currency that school districts confiscate from property owners is taken from private individuals and transferred to a government program.

Americans have been placed under a spell. The nation founded by Christians and based upon the the axiom that the sole purpose of government is to protect the unalienable rights of individuals has moved to the left and accepts the notion that government exists to provide services to the people that politicians believe serve the greater God.

This concept was anthema to the founders.

And FWIW, the Founders would puke if anyone used the class or wealth status of individuals to limit or expand the privileges granted to them by the government. That rich guy in USC deserves the same considerations as the poor slacker in Freeport.

I'm guessing that you're a Thomas Massie fan as I am. Its topic is unrelated but your post reminded me of an X post from him recently.