Blake Hinson- 27% shooting the last 6 games, 24% from 3

[Vader_Storm]

Ive read some of the comments on here about Capel, Fede, Carrington is now overrated, the team lacks talent, etc.. Lets not even bring up Dior or Kante or anything else here.



This is the guy that is supposed to be carrying Pitt and the captain of this team. His offensive play has turned into the freshmen version of Gerald Drumgoole and has completely fallen off a cliff the last 6 games.


Look at the ORTG power ratings the last 6 games. 55, 67, 67, 112, 107, 67. This includes a 2-10 shooting performance against Purdue Fort Wayne who cant beat anybody right now. The collapse of this team starts with him and his shooting because if he isn't making shots, he is a liability with his defense and poor rebounding ability for a power forward.



Hinson is our starting power forward and he is 7th on our own team in shooting percentage in ACC Conference play at 33% which is disturbingly terrible. 7th!!!!!! This guy was supposed to be all conference in the preseason.


Zach Austin is shooting 47% in acc play for example. Jaland Lowe is shooting 42% as a freshmen for example. This is a Hinson problem. And Ive commented many times that he has had wide open looks and just didn't make them, not counting last game as I wasn't able to watch it.

Anyway, there are a number of things to blame here with the losses piling on. But it starts with this guy right here. He can forget about the NBA, its not happening.

 

[DT_PITT]

Ive read some of the comments on here about Capel, Fede, Carrington is now overrated, the team lacks talent, etc.. Lets not even bring up Dior or Kante or anything else here.



This is the guy that is supposed to be carrying Pitt and the captain of this team. His offensive play has turned into the freshmen version of Gerald Drumgoole and has completely fallen off a cliff the last 6 games.


Look at the ORTG power ratings the last 6 games. 55, 67, 67, 112, 107, 67. This includes a 2-10 shooting performance against Purdue Fort Wayne who cant beat anybody right now. The collapse of this team starts with him and his shooting because if he isn't making shots, he is a liability with his defense and poor rebounding ability for a power forward.



Hinson is our starting power forward and he is 7th on our own team in shooting percentage in ACC Conference play at 33% which is disturbingly terrible. 7th!!!!!! This guy was supposed to be all conference in the preseason.


Zach Austin is shooting 47% in acc play for example. Jaland Lowe is shooting 42% as a freshmen for example. This is a Hinson problem. And Ive commented many times that he has had wide open looks and just didn't make them, not counting last game as I wasn't able to watch it.

Anyway, there are a number of things to blame here with the losses piling on. But it starts with this guy right here. He can forget about the NBA, its not happening.

Don’t disagree. He hasn’t been good at all and he’s our lead dog. He’s fallen off a cliff.

 

[TD_6082]

Ive read some of the comments on here about Capel, Fede, Carrington is now overrated, the team lacks talent, etc.. Lets not even bring up Dior or Kante or anything else here.



This is the guy that is supposed to be carrying Pitt and the captain of this team. His offensive play has turned into the freshmen version of Gerald Drumgoole and has completely fallen off a cliff the last 6 games.


Look at the ORTG power ratings the last 6 games. 55, 67, 67, 112, 107, 67. This includes a 2-10 shooting performance against Purdue Fort Wayne who cant beat anybody right now. The collapse of this team starts with him and his shooting because if he isn't making shots, he is a liability with his defense and poor rebounding ability for a power forward.



Hinson is our starting power forward and he is 7th on our own team in shooting percentage in ACC Conference play at 33% which is disturbingly terrible. 7th!!!!!! This guy was supposed to be all conference in the preseason.


Zach Austin is shooting 47% in acc play for example. Jaland Lowe is shooting 42% as a freshmen for example. This is a Hinson problem. And Ive commented many times that he has had wide open looks and just didn't make them, not counting last game as I wasn't able to watch it.

Anyway, there are a number of things to blame here with the losses piling on. But it starts with this guy right here. He can forget about the NBA, its not happening.

If he can't shoot, and he's a liability on defense and on the boards, why does he continue to get so much playing time?

Ultimately, it's the fault of the head coach. Jeff Capel is paid well over $3 mil a year to be more than a neutral bystander.

 

[str61166]

I thought after either the first Syracuse game or the UNC game that he would get back to form. And I was wrong. Last year I didn’t have an issue with him taking so many 3’s and from so far out, because usually he would start making them, even later in the game when they needed it.

Now, after 6 straight games of this, I don’t even know. Obviously the supporting cast isn’t there and that doesn’t help matters too - like maybe he got more open looks and didn’t need to be as focused on since they had Burton and other more serious shooting threats - but still, he’s even been missing a bunch of open looks.

That said, I still hold on to hope he’ll bounce back and have a few more huge performances. It’s a long season. I thought the same about Bub Means during the football season too, and he did end up with some big games after a rough start. Unfortunately, similar to Means, they may just end up coming in more losing efforts than we’d hope.

 

[Pitt2006]

There is no team leader this year. Last year there was a players only meeting I feel. When they got eliminated, Blake was like Eyor in his response to media. He needs someone to fuel him. No one has stepped up to be a leader. Lowe seems to be the only one improving, but not sure he can command that respect from teammates yet.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

I said last year that the degree of difficulty on his shots was ridiculous and probably not sustainable... especially once some guys leave, spacing becomes an issue, and Hinson starts chucking up even more ridiculous shots. I realize he is missing some open ones, too, but he might as well just punt the ball into the stands with some of the garbage he's throwing up. Six years into the Capel Era and the most success we've had was Hinson being white hot for 2-3 months and making shots most defenses would beg you to take. Is that the formula you want to depend on?

It's just sloppy basketball. The opponent gets better looks than we do almost every game. They're not going to fall every night, but the team that gets better looks is usually the better team.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

His play of late has been sadly horrible , with the falloff of Bub’s scoring I think the pressure of carrying the team has affected his decision making and play .

It’s easy to blame the coach on loses , but when your two best players are shooting in the 20% range you’re going to lose …..period

Last yrs team had multiple guys that could keep the team in games with their offense and that’s just not the case this yr .

 

[HailToPitt1985]

There is no team leader this year. Last year there was a players only meeting I feel. When they got eliminated, Blake was like Eyor in his response to media. He needs someone to fuel him. No one has stepped up to be a leader. Lowe seems to be the only one improving, but not sure he can command that respect from teammates yet.

With the exception of Lowe, none of the players including Hinson have improved during the season so far. And Lowe is doing his improving in spite of Capel. A coach has a lot to do with player development and improvement. Capel doesn't have a system that nurtures player development and improvement. Unless you're a top 100 or top 50 player caliber, Capel's system won't do a thing for you. That includes Hinson.

Hinson excelled last year because the pressure was off of him with Cummings and Burton on the floor, essentially coaches on the floor. They aren't there this year and here we are.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Ive read some of the comments on here about Capel, Fede, Carrington is now overrated, the team lacks talent, etc.. Lets not even bring up Dior or Kante or anything else here.



This is the guy that is supposed to be carrying Pitt and the captain of this team. His offensive play has turned into the freshmen version of Gerald Drumgoole and has completely fallen off a cliff the last 6 games.


Look at the ORTG power ratings the last 6 games. 55, 67, 67, 112, 107, 67. This includes a 2-10 shooting performance against Purdue Fort Wayne who cant beat anybody right now. The collapse of this team starts with him and his shooting because if he isn't making shots, he is a liability with his defense and poor rebounding ability for a power forward.



Hinson is our starting power forward and he is 7th on our own team in shooting percentage in ACC Conference play at 33% which is disturbingly terrible. 7th!!!!!! This guy was supposed to be all conference in the preseason.


Zach Austin is shooting 47% in acc play for example. Jaland Lowe is shooting 42% as a freshmen for example. This is a Hinson problem. And Ive commented many times that he has had wide open looks and just didn't make them, not counting last game as I wasn't able to watch it.

Anyway, there are a number of things to blame here with the losses piling on. But it starts with this guy right here. He can forget about the NBA, its not happening.

He never gets a clean look. We run no actions to get him open. There's no screens. No penetrate and kick. The offense is painful to watch. There doesn't seem to be a point to it.

 

[Upg bobcat]

Being declared All American by this board was certainly the kiss of death.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

With the exception of Lowe, none of the players including Hinson have improved during the season so far. And Lowe is doing his improving in spite of Capel. A coach has a lot to do with player development and improvement. Capel doesn't have a system that nurtures player development and improvement. Unless you're a top 100 or top 50 player caliber, Capel's system won't do a thing for you. That includes Hinson.

Hinson excelled last year because the pressure was off of him with Cummings and Burton on the floor, essentially coaches on the floor. They aren't there this year and here we are.

Why is Lowe’s improved play not a function of coaching while you blame the coaching for the other players struggling ?

It’s nice to believe that everyone should improve with coaching , but it’s not always the case and it happens in every sport ? How many high draft picks in NBA and the NFL are busts ? Is that poor coaching or poor scouting. ? What about 4& 5* coming in that never play any meaningful minutes . Some players just never get better , some regress and yes some do get better and IMO a majority of that improvement lies with the athletes work ethic and potential and not solely coaching .

Hinson was draining them from mid court and Bub looked like a world beater and future lottery pick so somehow within 1 month JC and his staff have taught them how to miss their open shots and force up off balanced shots . Sometimes the blame needs to be put where it belongs and it’s on the poor play of the players .

 

[PittPoker]

I thought after either the first Syracuse game or the UNC game that he would get back to form. And I was wrong. Last year I didn’t have an issue with him taking so many 3’s and from so far out, because usually he would start making them, even later in the game when they needed it.

Now, after 6 straight games of this, I don’t even know. Obviously the supporting cast isn’t there and that doesn’t help matters too - like maybe he got more open looks and didn’t need to be as focused on since they had Burton and other more serious shooting threats - but still, he’s even been missing a bunch of open looks.

That said, I still hold on to hope he’ll bounce back and have a few more huge performances. It’s a long season. I thought the same about Bub Means during the football season too, and he did end up with some big games after a rough start. Unfortunately, similar to Means, they may just end up coming in more losing efforts than we’d hope.

He looks 20 pounds overweight, as heavy as I can remember him being at Pitt. First thing is he needs to be shedding those pounds quick. To me that's 1 factor as to why he ain't doing much lately in games.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Why is Lowe’s improved play not a function of coaching while you blame the coaching for the other players struggling ?

It’s nice to believe that everyone should improve with coaching , but it’s not always the case and it happens in every sport ? How many high draft picks in NBA and the NFL are busts ? Is that poor coaching or poor scouting. ? What about 4& 5* coming in that never play any meaningful minutes . Some players just never get better , some regress and yes some do get better and IMO a majority of that improvement lies with the athletes work ethic and potential and not solely coaching .

Hinson was draining them from mid court and Bub looked like a world beater and future lottery pick so somehow within 1 month JC and his staff have taught them how to miss their open shots and force up off balanced shots . Sometimes the blame needs to be put where it belongs and it’s on the poor play of the players .

Lowe's excellent play, as I said before, is in spite of Capel. He's that good that he can overcome the coaching deficiencies. I'll give Capel credit for putting Lowe in and giving him more minutes, that's it.

The rest of what you said is a function of subjective evaluations of supposed "experts" not getting evaluations right. 4* and 5* doesn't mean squat in many cases, because it's an evaluation by a self-proclaimed expert that is probably wrong anyhow. Remember Dante Taylor? 5* stud? Even Dixon couldn't get that kid playing adequately and consistently. That was a classic example of a total miss on his evaluation by experts.

It's already been proven that coaching helps even mediocre players get a lot better. Dixon and Howland proved it over and over. And yes, work ethic and hard work helps a lot, but a coach sometimes has to push that at the kids. Capel apparently isn't doing that. They appear to never be prepared to play or able to play.

What about the crappy defense we have on this team? There are a couple of decent defensive players....Jeffress, Lowe. But poor defensive schemes is a function of poor coaching. When Pitt tried to run a zone defense against 'Cuse, they looked lost and totally inept. Don't keep blaming the players when it's the coaches not being able to coach a defense. And no matter how many points we score, on most nights we won't win if we play lousy defense and don't rebound. That's just a known constant in basketball.

I credit Cummings and Burton for much of the success of Hinson last year. Those 2 guys were coaches on the floor and helped Hinson get his shots and spread the floor. This year, there is no coach on the floor.

I agree that the blame doesn't rest solely with the coach. The players as paid athletes must do better and perform. The coach can either be someone who enhances their abilities or lets them stagnate or get worse. Capel hasn't done much of the former and a lot of the later.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Ive read some of the comments on here about Capel, Fede, Carrington is now overrated, the team lacks talent, etc.. Lets not even bring up Dior or Kante or anything else here.



This is the guy that is supposed to be carrying Pitt and the captain of this team. His offensive play has turned into the freshmen version of Gerald Drumgoole and has completely fallen off a cliff the last 6 games.


Look at the ORTG power ratings the last 6 games. 55, 67, 67, 112, 107, 67. This includes a 2-10 shooting performance against Purdue Fort Wayne who cant beat anybody right now. The collapse of this team starts with him and his shooting because if he isn't making shots, he is a liability with his defense and poor rebounding ability for a power forward.



Hinson is our starting power forward and he is 7th on our own team in shooting percentage in ACC Conference play at 33% which is disturbingly terrible. 7th!!!!!! This guy was supposed to be all conference in the preseason.


Zach Austin is shooting 47% in acc play for example. Jaland Lowe is shooting 42% as a freshmen for example. This is a Hinson problem. And Ive commented many times that he has had wide open looks and just didn't make them, not counting last game as I wasn't able to watch it.

Anyway, there are a number of things to blame here with the losses piling on. But it starts with this guy right here. He can forget about the NBA, its not happening.

Vader Cycle - every recruit is the best, wait until next year, oh if this kid hadn't committed a crime, oh actually this kid sucks, wait for the next guy.

Just so we're clear, Blake Hinson is the same player as last year. He is in his 6th year of college. Not sure why anyone would expect him to be different. However, last year he was not the first scoring option. Last year, defenses had to collapse on adult guards who could get to the rim, were crafty and finish. Last year, we had another shooter and a couple other guys who could knock down shots besides the shooter to give him space. Last year, he was in a role that suited what he is capable of.


This year, he is the main scoring threat. This year, he is being asked to make the same shots with less space. This year, he is being asked to move further out because we run nothing to get him open and our guards are too weak and pose no threat at the rim. This year, no one else could hit an open 3 when called upon.

This year is the same as year 1 - 2 -3 -4. It is not the same as year 5. It is another mismatched group, with no cohesion in recruiting, philosphy or coaching. In short, there is no idenity. They aren't tough. They aren't talented. They aren't disciplined. They aren't running good stuff. They don't run a good defensive scheme. That is 100 percent on coaching. This year, like years 1-4 is Capel's fault alone.

To blame Blake for being the same player he was last year sans help, which btw falls on the staff a bit to develop, is such a cowardice and lame move.

I'm being serious when I ask this, are you getting paid by Capel to keep dumping on the team he recruits and coaches? Why do people after 6 years of shit have such an affinity to defend a coach and dump on the young men who chose to be here... and not for 3.6 million.

 

[pittbb80]

Vader Cycle - every recruit is the best, wait until next year, oh if this kid hadn't committed a crime, oh actually this kid sucks, wait for the next guy.

Just so we're clear, Blake Hinson is the same player as last year. He is in his 6th year of college. Not sure why anyone would expect him to be different. However, last year he was not the first scoring option. Last year, defenses had to collapse on adult guards who could get to the rim, were crafty and finish. Last year, we had another shooter and a couple other guys who could knock down shots besides the shooter to give him space. Last year, he was in a role that suited what he is capable of.


This year, he is the main scoring threat. This year, he is being asked to make the same shots with less space. This year, he is being asked to move further out because we run nothing to get him open and our guards are too weak and pose no threat at the rim. This year, no one else could hit an open 3 when called upon.

This year is the same as year 1 - 2 -3 -4. It is not the same as year 5. It is another mismatched group, with no cohesion in recruiting, philosphy or coaching. In short, there is no idenity. They aren't tough. They aren't talented. They aren't disciplined. They aren't running good stuff. They don't run a good defensive scheme. That is 100 percent on coaching. This year, like years 1-4 is Capel's fault alone.

To blame Blake for being the same player he was last year sans help, which btw falls on the staff a bit to develop, is such a cowardice and lame move.

I'm being serious when I ask this, are you getting paid by Capel to keep dumping on the team he recruits and coaches? Why do people after 6 years of shit have such an affinity to defend a coach and dump on the young men who chose to be here... and not for 3.6 million.

I agree with much of this but when Blake is open, and he is getting some decent looks every game even those are not falling. Do you think thats because of the pressure of having to carry the offensive load? Are he and Bub (of for the cuse) pressing too much?

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I agree with much of this but when Blake is open, and he is getting some decent looks every game even those are not falling. Do you think thats because of the pressure of having to carry the offensive load? Are he and Bub (of for the cuse) pressing too much?

He's probably not equipped mentally to all of a sudden be THE guy. He knows if he doesn't make an inordinate amount of 3's, we get blown out. That's a lot of pressure for actual great players.

 

[pittbb80]

He's probably not equipped mentally to all of a sudden be THE guy. He knows if he doesn't make an inordinate amount of 3's, we get blown out. That's a lot of pressure for actual great players.

Agreed. Thats the point I made about JB in another thread where someone claimed he had improved under this staff. My point was JBs improvement was more due to surrounding him with other good players who took the pressure off. As we saw down the stretch where it appeared that he was "the guy" who made the engine run, he pressed a bit and forced things more than he did earlier.

Without an actually offensive system to create scoring opportunities more pressure is put on individual play. That works when you have multiple guys to carry the load but not so much when its one or two guys.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Vader Cycle - every recruit is the best, wait until next year, oh if this kid hadn't committed a crime, oh actually this kid sucks, wait for the next guy.

Just so we're clear, Blake Hinson is the same player as last year. He is in his 6th year of college. Not sure why anyone would expect him to be different. However, last year he was not the first scoring option. Last year, defenses had to collapse on adult guards who could get to the rim, were crafty and finish. Last year, we had another shooter and a couple other guys who could knock down shots besides the shooter to give him space. Last year, he was in a role that suited what he is capable of.


This year, he is the main scoring threat. This year, he is being asked to make the same shots with less space. This year, he is being asked to move further out because we run nothing to get him open and our guards are too weak and pose no threat at the rim. This year, no one else could hit an open 3 when called upon.

This year is the same as year 1 - 2 -3 -4. It is not the same as year 5. It is another mismatched group, with no cohesion in recruiting, philosphy or coaching. In short, there is no idenity. They aren't tough. They aren't talented. They aren't disciplined. They aren't running good stuff. They don't run a good defensive scheme. That is 100 percent on coaching. This year, like years 1-4 is Capel's fault alone.

To blame Blake for being the same player he was last year sans help, which btw falls on the staff a bit to develop, is such a cowardice and lame move.

I'm being serious when I ask this, are you getting paid by Capel to keep dumping on the team he recruits and coaches? Why do people after 6 years of shit have such an affinity to defend a coach and dump on the young men who chose to be here... and not for 3.6 million.

He's been open a lot of the season.



Do I need to post screenshots from the actual games of this to prove you wrong?


He cant make shots period. Hell, besides the Louisville game he cant even make free throws. Take the Louisville game out he is shooting 50% from the free throw line in the last 6 games. Im sure you will come up with some crazy fantasy of how that is on Capel too.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

He's probably not equipped mentally to all of a sudden be THE guy. He knows if he doesn't make an inordinate amount of 3's, we get blown out. That's a lot of pressure for actual great players.

The thing with Blake is he gets so few open looks that he cant get into a rhythm. He will shoot 3 or 4 contested 3s and miss and then we expect him to drain the next open one he gets. He's a rhythm shooter. A streak shooter. He cant get going because teams keying on him and not helping off. Pitt is so easy to defend. Put your top wing defender on Hinson and tell them to face-guard him. If he doesnt make 6 3's, its almost impossible for Pitt to win. Bub cant beat you on 17 foot pull-ups. And we have no post-game. Leggett had been a disappointment in ACC play

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Don’t disagree. He hasn’t been good at all and he’s our lead dog. He’s fallen off a cliff.

Early on, when he would miss a couple of shots, I didn't mind if he kept on shooting no matter how bad of a shot. I had such confidence in him to shoot himself out of it. That has completely gone. Now you even see Blake afraid to take shots. As he goes, Pitt goes. And he is gone, and so is Pitt.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

What is this absolving Capel for the poor performance of this team? Yes, the players aren't doing their jobs. Capel is a major reason why they're not prepared, don't have a real offensive system, don't know how to play defense, and have no real schemes and minimal ball movement. This is 6 years in and he had 1 year of acceptable performance. In any job in corporate America, that guy would be fired with no severance.

 

[Vader_Storm]

The thing with Blake is he gets so few open looks that he cant get into a rhythm. He will shoot 3 or 4 contested 3s and miss and then we expect him to drain the next open one he gets. He's a rhythm shooter. A streak shooter. He cant get going because teams keying on him and not helping off. Pitt is so easy to defend. Put your top wing defender on Hinson and tell them to face-guard him. If he doesnt make 6 3's, its almost impossible for Pitt to win. Bub cant beat you on 17 foot pull-ups. And we have no post-game. Leggett had been a disappointment in ACC play

Here is the North Carolina game.

1520 mark. Came off a screen, clean look from 3, missed

1433- Wide open 3 point look, missed

1425 Mark- No one within 10 feet of Hinson, wide open, missed again

715 mark- Wide open clean look from 3, missed again

1421 2nd half- decent look, missed

901 mark- wide open clean look, missed it again


Lets not even talk about the 3 circus shots he put up in this game trying to drive the ball and jack up a terrible shot trying to draw a foul, which he got the reward zero times.


How many clean looks does this guy need in a game to make a few 3s? How about this, instead of players we have a chair that doesn't move trying to guard him. Because those looks above would have been buried by any type of decent consistent 3 point shooter in college basketball as long as that player wasn't having an off game.

The issue is Hinson, who cant make open looks or even shoot free throws for pete sake.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

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Here is the North Carolina game.

1520 mark. Came off a screen, clean look from 3, missed

1433- Wide open 3 point look, missed

1425 Mark- No one within 10 feet of Hinson, wide open, missed again

715 mark- Wide open clean look from 3, missed again

1421 2nd half- decent look, missed

901 mark- wide open clean look, missed it again


Lets not even talk about the 3 circus shots he put up in this game trying to drive the ball and jack up a terrible shot trying to draw a foul, which he got the reward zero times.


How many clean looks does this guy need in a game to make a few 3s? How about this, instead of players we have a chair that doesn't move trying to guard him. Because those looks above would have been buried by any type of decent consistent 3 point shooter in college basketball as long as that player wasn't having an off game.

The issue is Hinson, who cant make open looks or even shoot free throws for pete sake.

Yeah it's Hinson's fault. He goes out there and shoots from the logo without permission then continues to play the rest of the game because he checks himself in and out. If it wasn't permissable, he would be removed from the game. I know you HAVE to be smarter than absolving the head coach of all blame.

If Tom Izzo coached Blake Hinson and he took a shot he didn't like, do you think Blake could just trot up and down the court the rest of the game doing the same thing? I mean it's honestly insanity the lengths you're going to defend the guy at this point.

 

[PittPoker]

Yeah it's Hinson's fault. He goes out there and shoots from the logo without permission then continues to play the rest of the game because he checks himself in and out. If it wasn't permissable, he would be removed from the game. I know you HAVE to be smarter than absolving the head coach of all blame.

If Tom Izzo coached Blake Hinson and he took a shot he didn't like, do you think Blake could just trot up and down the court the rest of the game doing the same thing? I mean it's honestly insanity the lengths you're going to defend the guy at this point.

Remember in the Syracuse game he could have dribbed to the 3 point line(no Syracuse player was anywhere close to him)yet he decides to shoot the ball from 40 feet smh. Ridiculous

 

[Vader_Storm]

Yeah it's Hinson's fault. He goes out there and shoots from the logo without permission then continues to play the rest of the game because he checks himself in and out. If it wasn't permissable, he would be removed from the game. I know you HAVE to be smarter than absolving the head coach of all blame.

If Tom Izzo coached Blake Hinson and he took a shot he didn't like, do you think Blake could just trot up and down the court the rest of the game doing the same thing? I mean it's honestly insanity the lengths you're going to defend the guy at this point.

There are certain things to blame on Jeff Capel. Blake Hinson not being able to make wide open shots or foul shots for that matter isnt one of them.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

There are certain things to blame on Jeff Capel. Blake Hinson not being able to make wide open shots or foul shots for that matter isnt one of them.

Look at the bright side, his ORTG is at a career high!

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

There are certain things to blame on Jeff Capel. Blake Hinson not being able to make wide open shots or foul shots for that matter isnt one of them.

IF YOURE TALKING ABOUT HIS SHOT SELECTION, ITS ON CAPEL. He is in charge of the offense and allows what happens on offense.

Blaming a guy who helped save Capel’s terrible career for another year is a terrible look

 

[Vader_Storm]

IF YOURE TALKING ABOUT HIS SHOT SELECTION, ITS ON CAPEL. He is in charge of the offense and allows what happens on offense.

Blaming a guy who helped save Capel’s terrible career for another year is a terrible look

Did you even watch the North Carolina tape I posted above? I don't think so.

Better shot selection overall as a team is on Capel, that I agree with. That still has nothing to do with Blake Hinson getting gorgeous looks from 3 and making none of them.

 

[pittbb80]

Yeah it's Hinson's fault. He goes out there and shoots from the logo without permission then continues to play the rest of the game because he checks himself in and out. If it wasn't permissable, he would be removed from the game. I know you HAVE to be smarter than absolving the head coach of all blame.

If Tom Izzo coached Blake Hinson and he took a shot he didn't like, do you think Blake could just trot up and down the court the rest of the game doing the same thing? I mean it's honestly insanity the lengths you're going to defend the guy at this point.

Well Id add that Izzo doesnt just roll the ball out on the court and encourage one on one streetball. Capel has admitted that he has to live with Blakes crazy shots because he makes others. Maybe that was OK last year but this team is totally different.

Conversely Blake would be taking shots within the structure of the offense..............something that doesnt exist with Capel or hed be riding the pine as you indiacated

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Did you even watch the North Carolina tape I posted above? I don't think so.

Better shot selection overall as a team is on Capel, that I agree with. That still has nothing to do with Blake Hinson getting gorgeous looks from 3 and making none of them.

1) we lost by 13 and got zero points from Austin, 4 from leggett and 2 from Fede. So the supporting pieces aren't nearly as good as last year when Blake could be strictly a shooter. Bad recruiting and evaluation.

2) I for one am shocked that a 3 point shooter, who does nothing else well, who did nothing else well last year, who has had games where he was unconscious like WVU, is struggling because his coach recruited no other veteran options to score. He is pressing, he is streaky and he can't be because the roster was so ineffectively built. It's really the sixth time it was poorly constructed, but because Hugley ate himself off the team the space and pace actually worked. Had he not, we would've been much worse last year.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well the point is you can't be fooled again. You keep getting fooled.

Any post not saying Capel's gotta go is wrong.

 

[PittPanther44]

Our problem is we have nothing that comes easy.

So there is nothing to take the pressure off Hinson. And when your goto is basically keep taking crazy shots, it all snowballs negatively. Last year we had a more experienced PG, AND a couple other streaky shooters.

At the point, the pressure should be off. We aren’t going to the tourney. He isn’t making ACC. Just play ball. His shot should come back.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Lowe's excellent play, as I said before, is in spite of Capel. He's that good that he can overcome the coaching deficiencies. I'll give Capel credit for putting Lowe in and giving him more minutes, that's it.

The rest of what you said is a function of subjective evaluations of supposed "experts" not getting evaluations right. 4* and 5* doesn't mean squat in many cases, because it's an evaluation by a self-proclaimed expert that is probably wrong anyhow. Remember Dante Taylor? 5* stud? Even Dixon couldn't get that kid playing adequately and consistently. That was a classic example of a total miss on his evaluation by experts.

It's already been proven that coaching helps even mediocre players get a lot better. Dixon and Howland proved it over and over. And yes, work ethic and hard work helps a lot, but a coach sometimes has to push that at the kids. Capel apparently isn't doing that. They appear to never be prepared to play or able to play.

What about the crappy defense we have on this team? There are a couple of decent defensive players....Jeffress, Lowe. But poor defensive schemes is a function of poor coaching. When Pitt tried to run a zone defense against 'Cuse, they looked lost and totally inept. Don't keep blaming the players when it's the coaches not being able to coach a defense. And no matter how many points we score, on most nights we won't win if we play lousy defense and don't rebound. That's just a known constant in basketball.

I credit Cummings and Burton for much of the success of Hinson last year. Those 2 guys were coaches on the floor and helped Hinson get his shots and spread the floor. This year, there is no coach on the floor.

I agree that the blame doesn't rest solely with the coach. The players as paid athletes must do better and perform. The coach can either be someone who enhances their abilities or lets them stagnate or get worse. Capel hasn't done much of the former and a lot of the later.

When I’m at practice and seeing what is done and discussed is when I would know what is being done and not being done .

Do I believe that JC is master at devising schemes , no I do not . But one thing I’ll tell you is that he knows more about bb than any of us including several posters who believe that they know absolutely everything .

As a matter of fact everyone of his assistants also knows more about bb than any of us !

His teams have been picked at the bottom of all the ACC preseason polls in everyone of his yrs here , maybe that should tell you something about the talent level of his teams .

His biggest asset was supposed to be his recruiting abilities , does that tell you something about how hard it is to recruit at Pitt .

Pitt could use a Donte Taylor this yr .

We all want Pitt to be a top dog in the ACC and it’s never going to happen unless a group of wealthy boosters make it their mission in life .

 

[TD_6082]

His play of late has been sadly horrible , with the falloff of Bub’s scoring I think the pressure of carrying the team has affected his decision making and play .

It’s easy to blame the coach on loses , but when your two best players are shooting in the 20% range you’re going to lose …..period

Last yrs team had multiple guys that could keep the team in games with their offense and that’s just not the case this yr .

Coaches always get credit or blame for losses. That's nothing new.

In your scenario, based on what we've seen lately, the solution for the best two players having cold shooting nights is for them to just keep shooting. The real kicker is they aren't running any sets to get them open looks or better shots, they just keep jacking it up from wherever.

Pretty much takes away any chance of winning or remaining competitive until some of those shots start falling.

 

[pittbb80]

When I’m at practice and seeing what is done and discussed is when I would know what is being done and not being done .

Do I believe that JC is master at devising schemes , no I do not . But one thing I’ll tell you is that he knows more about bb than any of us including several posters who believe that they know absolutely everything .

As a matter of fact everyone of his assistants also knows more about bb than any of us !

His teams have been picked at the bottom of all the ACC preseason polls in everyone of his yrs here , maybe that should tell you something about the talent level of his teams .

His biggest asset was supposed to be his recruiting abilities , does that tell you something about how hard it is to recruit at Pitt .

Pitt could use a Donte Taylor this yr .

We all want Pitt to be a top dog in the ACC and it’s never going to happen unless a group of wealthy boosters make it their mission in life .

You don’t have to be an “expert”
At the game to observe the team over 6 years and conclude that he has no structured offensive system

You don’t have to be an expert to observe that the players he recruits generally don’t make significant improvements like they did under Dixon

The you can’t comment on the game or critique the staff because they know more than you is disingenuous at best.

Hell if commentary on coaching decisions had to be left to experts this board wouldn’t exist

The level of hubris in this statement reminds me of the propaganda that says doing your own research can be dangerous. Gotta trust the experts

 

[Vader_Storm]

Coaches always get credit or blame for losses. That's nothing new.

In your scenario, based on what we've seen lately, the solution for the best two players having cold shooting nights is for them to just keep shooting. The real kicker is they aren't running any sets to get them open looks or better shots, they just keep jacking it up from wherever.

Pretty much takes away any chance of winning or remaining competitive until some of those shots start falling.

I literally just proved this bullshit line completely wrong. Completely wrong 100%.

You guys simply want to blame Capel for everything and not hold any player accountable for anything. But if I post anything in regard to Dior or Kante, the same bunch of people come running to post how little they would contribute.

What a crock of shit. Blake Hinson cant make wide open shots right now. He cant make wide open free throws. The best coach of all time whoever you choose that person to be isnt going to help him make more shots when he simply cant make them for whatever reason. If you dont have a defensive player within a mile of you and you clank the shot off the front of the rim, the issue is the player, not the coach. Some of these looks are wide open.

 

[pittbb80]

I literally just proved this bullshit line completely wrong. Completely wrong 100%.

You guys simply want to blame Capel for everything and not hold any player accountable for anything. But if I post anything in regard to Dior or Kante, the same bunch of people come running to post how little they would contribute.

What a crock of shit. Blake Hinson cant make wide open shots right now. He cant make wide open free throws. The best coach of all time whoever you choose that person to be isnt going to help him make more shots when he simply cant make them for whatever reason. If you dont have a defensive player within a mile of you and you clank the shot off the front of the rim, the issue is the player, not the coach. Some of these looks are wide open.

So why isn’t the coach sitting him ?

 

[Vader_Storm]

Here is a list of things you guys can blame Capel for.

1) Not recruiting enough guards on the team (even though the Dior ruling hurt us)

2) Not recruiting a powerful strong 5 that can rebound (Even though Kante injury hurt us)

3) Not recruiting enough upperclassmen

4) Not recruiting enough shooters

5) Not finding the right player combinations

6) Not utilizing timeouts better

7) Not energizing the team more as the team comes out flat too often

etc, etc, etc, You can go on and on with this list as you please.



You cannot blame the Coach for Blake Hinson not making wide open looks from the field and from the free throw line. This is as bad as a batter trying to blame the batting coach for going into a major slump and constantly striking out while making zero contact with the ball. The issue is the player 100%. And no, we are not going to bench Hinson for Jorge, who is shooting less than 10% in acc play.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Here is a list of things you guys can blame Capel for.

1) Not recruiting enough guards on the team (even though the Dior ruling hurt us)

2) Not recruiting a powerful strong 5 that can rebound (Even though Kante injury hurt us)

3) Not recruiting enough upperclassmen

4) Not recruiting enough shooters

5) Not finding the right player combinations

6) Not utilizing timeouts better

7) Not energizing the team more as the team comes out flat too often

etc, etc, etc, You can go on and on with this list as you please.



You cannot blame the Coach for Blake Hinson not making wide open looks from the field and from the free throw line. This is as bad as a batter trying to blame the batting coach for going into a major slump and constantly striking out while making zero contact with the ball. The issue is the player 100%. And no, we are not going to bench Hinson for Jorge, who is shooting less than 10% in acc play.

I blame Capel for allowing Dior back on the team but I dont blame him for being kicked out once he was allowed back. This is a massive loss.

I blame Capel for not closing Girard. Did he not want to compete with Dior for minutes?

I blame Capel for allowing Fede to go to Finland this summer though at the time I was fine with it.

I blame Capel for not getting a Greg Elliot or Nike Sibande from the portal

I blame Capel for choosing Jeffress over Santos though at the time I was ok with it.

Think about this lineup

PG - Dior
SG - Bub
SG - Girard
PF - Hinson
C - Fede with a summer in Pgh

Bench
Santos
Lowe
GDG
Leggett
Austin

That's a Top 25 team

 

[pittbb80]

Here is a list of things you guys can blame Capel for.

1) Not recruiting enough guards on the team (even though the Dior ruling hurt us)

2) Not recruiting a powerful strong 5 that can rebound (Even though Kante injury hurt us)

3) Not recruiting enough upperclassmen

4) Not recruiting enough shooters

5) Not finding the right player combinations

6) Not utilizing timeouts better

7) Not energizing the team more as the team comes out flat too often

etc, etc, etc, You can go on and on with this list as you please.



You cannot blame the Coach for Blake Hinson not making wide open looks from the field and from the free throw line. This is as bad as a batter trying to blame the batting coach for going into a major slump and constantly striking out while making zero contact with the ball. The issue is the player 100%. And no, we are not going to bench Hinson for Jorge, who is shooting less than 10% in acc play.

You forgot having no offensive philosophy or system (if you don’t want include playing one on one street ball) and not developing players

For sure Blake is missing shots he should make. But at the same time if he continues to take bad shots that’s on the staff As a team shot selection leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

So why isn’t the coach sitting him ?

Hinson's only ability seemed to be scoring and specifically scoring from 3. He can't play good, lockdown defense and he's an inconsistent rebounder. If he's not hitting his shots, he should be sitting. He has no value to the team at that point. Unless he can suddenly play good defense and rebound. Put him in for a short stretch and let him shoot some shots. If they start to fall, give him some rope. But let's not pretend he's a 30+ min./game guy any longer. Other than scoring, which he isn't doing, what value does he have?

As for defense and rebounding, that is mostly on Capel. Those things are coachable for the most part, with some talent and desire thrown in. But if Capel and his staff were actually competently coaching these kids, they would be playing much better defense. Look at how totally inept and lost they were when they went to the zone against 'Cuse! That's totally, 100% on Capel for lack of preparation.

This is year 6 of the Capel era, right? It's unacceptable to be tolerating this kind of poor coaching performance in year 6.