bowl season...

[runthewildcat]

Does anyone truely believe there is a greater than 10% chance we play in the Russell athletic bowl?
I want everyone to think of these teams: LSU, VTECH, Louisville, and Miami.
All of these teams either travel better, are a bigger market nationally or both.
It's quite foolish and extremely biased to think Pitt would be in that mix.
Granted, I would love for that to happen, but let's be realistic.

 

[UPitt '89]

Does anyone truely believe there is a greater than 10% chance we play in the Russell athletic bowl?
I want everyone to think of these teams: LSU, VTECH, Louisville, and Miami.
All of these teams either travel better, are a bigger market nationally or both.
It's quite foolish and extremely biased to think Pitt would be in that mix.
Granted, I would love for that to happen, but let's be realistic.

What the hell does LSU have to do with anything?

The SEC doesn't have a tie-in with the RABowl.

 

[runthewildcat]

What the hell does LSU have to do with anything?

The SEC doesn't have a tie-in with the RABowl.

Meant they will be in citrus...honest mistake...
Are you going to answer the question or just be that guy?

 

[UPitt '89]

Meant they will be in citrus...honest mistake...
Are you going to answer the question or just be that guy?

I've answered it multiple times in other threads, but let's do this again.

If WVU represents the B12 in the RABowl, then there is *ZERO* chance that VT is there. Why? Two reasons... VT and WVU play each other in the first game of 2017, and VT is playing in Orlando this week and their administration and fans won't want to go to the same city twice in a month.

VT, as Coastal winners, has first dibs on the RABowl - but they will opt for the Belk bowl - a short drive for the 40,000 of their fans that will show up to see them play an SEC team.

That leaves the RAB for Pitt, Miami, GT, or UNC. UNC played in it last year, and the RABowl has a policy against having same team twice in a row, so they're out.

That leaves just Pitt, Miami, or GT.

What do PItt, Miami, and GT have in common? They are all city schools that have a fanbase known for not travelling to bowl games. Miami sent less than 1000 fans to last year's Sun Bowl.

So the RABowl people have to decide which of these matchups is MOST enticing to them:

Pitt-WVU
Miami-WVU
GT-WVU

I guarantee you they are not interested at all in GT-WVU. So that makes it down to Pitt or Miami.

I believe that Miami might rather play in the Taxslayer/Gator against an SEC team - but they may want to go to the RABowl. We'll see. But Miami has a worse reputation for travelling than Pitt does - but that is helped by the fact that Orlando is drivable for Miami's small fan base.

So I would put it like this:

Miami 50%
Pitt 35%
GT 10%
Other 5%

Is it the likeliest possibility for Pitt? No. But it is far from a non-starter.

 

[runthewildcat]

I've answered it multiple times in other threads, but let's do this again.

If WVU represents the B12 in the RABowl, then there is *ZERO* chance that VT is there. Why? Two reasons... VT and WVU play each other in the first game of 2017, and VT is playing in Orlando this week and their administration and fans won't want to go to the same city twice in a month.

VT, as Coastal winners, has first dibs on the RABowl - but they will opt for the Belk bowl - a short drive for the 40,000 of their fans that will show up to see them play an SEC team.

That leaves the RAB for Pitt, Miami, GT, or UNC. UNC played in it last year, and the RABowl has a policy against having same team twice in a row, so they're out.

That leaves just Pitt, Miami, or GT.

What do PItt, Miami, and GT have in common? They are all city schools that have a fanbase known for not travelling to bowl games. Miami sent less than 1000 fans to last year's Sun Bowl.

So the RABowl people have to decide which of these matchups is MOST enticing to them:

Pitt-WVU
Miami-WVU
GT-WVU

I guarantee you they are not interested at all in GT-WVU. So that makes it down to Pitt or Miami.

I believe that Miami might rather play in the Taxslayer/Gator against an SEC team - but they may want to go to the RABowl. We'll see. But Miami has a worse reputation for travelling than Pitt does - but that is helped by the fact that Orlando is drivable for Miami's small fan base.

So I would put it like this:

Miami 50%
Pitt 35%
GT 10%
Other 5%

Is it the likeliest possibility for Pitt? No. But it is far from a non-starter.

Once again you are making predictions the way you want them to unfold. Everyone thinks it's set in stone that WVU will make the RA bowl, well it's not! Ok st? Believe they played Pitt already didn't they? Well they are a great possibility .
So many things have to unfold on there favor then if they do, they still have to select them.
Historically every bowl that isn't driving distance away (I said that so you can't mention military bowl) has been an awful turnout for Pitt fans. What makes you think the committee with think otherwise?

 

[UPitt '89]

Once again you are making predictions the way you want them to unfold. Everyone thinks it's set in stone that WVU will make the RA bowl, well it's not! Ok st? Believe they played Pitt already didn't they? Well they are a great possibility .
So many things have to unfold on there favor then if they do, they still have to select them.
Historically every bowl that isn't driving distance away (I said that so you can't mention military bowl) has been an awful turnout for Pitt fans. What makes you think the committee with think otherwise?

Several points.

1. Since the B12 winner is almost certainly not going to the playoff, the winner of the OU-OKSt game gets the Sugar Bowl.

2, The second bowl in the B12 pecking order is the Alamo Bowl. The loser of OK-OkSt - which will have beaten WVU this year - will get the Alamo Bowl. That puts WVU squarely in the 3rd B12 bowl - The RABowl.

3. The "committee" doesn't pick the bowls after the NY6. The bowls, working with the teams and conferences, do.

4. Even Pitt's worst attended bowls have had more Pitt fans than Miami has sent to their bowls the past decade.

5. WVU might sell 30,000 tickets to the RAB to play Miami... but they'll send 40,000 if the opponent is Pitt.

6. Pitt might normally only send 4000 to the RAB (which is a good estimate, since that's what they sent over 5000 to the Fiesta in 2004)..... but would send double that to a game against WVU.

7. Pitt has a relatively large alumni base in Florida. And a pretty good-sized base in the Carolinas. Lots of them would go to a game in Orlando that wouldn't go to a game in the Southwest.

8. Orlando, unlike El Paso for instance, is very inexpensive to fly to from Pittsburgh. Very cheap.


Look.... Pitt is likely in the Sun Bowl. But there is a solid argument to make... and a not insignificant chance.... that Pitt goes to the RABowl.

 

[runthewildcat]

2. You think they'll get Alamo. Another hypothetical
3. All the people from the RA bowl who make the selections on who they take I would consider them to be a "committee". Would u not?

If these numbers add up how you say, why hasn't Pitt /wvu Pitt/psu ever played in the past 5 year when people just like you say it's going to happen?
You may have all the facts, but you forgot the main ingredient in the equation: common sense.

 

[UPitt '89]

2. You think they'll get Alamo. Another hypothetical
3. All the people from the RA bowl who make the selections on who they take I would consider them to be a "committee". Would u not?

If these numbers add up how you say, why hasn't Pitt /wvu Pitt/psu ever played in the past 5 year when people just like you say it's going to happen?
You may have all the facts, but you forgot the main ingredient in the equation: common sense.

Replies:

- It is probable that WVU gets the RABowl. Certainty? no. But very probable.

- Pitt/PSU only has one possibility for a bowl - Pinstripe. That's the only bowl that the ACC and B10 have a direct relationship too. The year PSU went to the Pinstripe, Pitt was too far down (6-6) to get into a Tier 1 bowl. Whoever said there was a possibility of Pitt/PSU in a bowl was not evaluating things logically.

- The only ACC/B12 bowl relationship is the RA Bowl. So a bowl against WVU can only happen in that bowl - unless someday they are both good enough to play in a NY6 bowl.

I don't know who you've talked to in past years... but there's never been a realistic opportunity for Pitt/PSU or Pitt/WVU in a bowl. Someday PItt/PSU might be in a Pinstripe bowl - in a year when Pitt is 8-4/7-5 and PSU is 7-5/6-6. We haven't had any of those yet. And the only PItt/WVU possibility *EVER* is the RABowl - there hasn't ever been another opportunity since we both switched conferences.

It's a possibility this year.... only a possibility, but not an insignificant one. It hasn't ever been a possibility before.

 

[UPitt '89]

2. You think they'll get Alamo. Another hypothetical
3. All the people from the RA bowl who make the selections on who they take I would consider them to be a "committee". Would u not?

If these numbers add up how you say, why hasn't Pitt /wvu Pitt/psu ever played in the past 5 year when people just like you say it's going to happen?
You may have all the facts, but you forgot the main ingredient in the equation: common sense.

ps. "common sense" would most definitely dictate a Pitt/WVU RABowl matchup. If it doesn't happen, it is not because of common sense. And this isn't pro-Pitt bias either - as several non-Pittsburgh media sources have indicated the logic and possibility of it.

For some reason, you are violently upset at the possibility. All I'm saying is that it is a not-insignificant possibility. We're likely in the Sun. But we could be in the RA or Pinstripe. Not sure why stating that makes you so angry. Relax, bud.

 

[runthewildcat]

ps. "common sense" would most definitely dictate a Pitt/WVU RABowl matchup. If it doesn't happen, it is not because of common sense. And this isn't pro-Pitt bias either - as several non-Pittsburgh media sources have indicated the logic and possibility of it.

For some reason, you are violently upset at the possibility. All I'm saying is that it is a not-insignificant possibility. We're likely in the Sun. But we could be in the RA or Pinstripe. Not sure why stating that makes you so angry. Relax, bud.

I haven't seen any major media outlets predict Pitt wvu. CBS, ESPN, fox sports.

I wouldn't say upset, I would go with annoyed.

Every year, individuals like yourself, go on here and map out how Pitt will make this great bowl yet it never happens. And like yourself, they give out all the reasons why THEY think it will happen yet it never does.

So to answer you question that's why I came off angry or upset.

Believe me, I'd love that bowl, but we are going to NY or El Paso.

 

[President Stache]

Kinda a silly post. First off, no one knows but to be honest this is UPitt showing a well thought out and reasoning how something he admittedly says isnt the most likely scenario play out vs the other guy saying "Pitt sucks, we wont get it"

Geez, relax. We will find out soon. I think it will be the Sun bowl as well, begrudgingly,