California NIL Almost There
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Great news! However, the NCAA can still have a rule that players cannot be paid. This would mean California schools would not be able to play in the NCAA.
True... California can’t control what the NCAA does. Wonder where this goes?
The NCAA kicking and screaming that they're going to ban California schools from competing in the post season then after other states pass similar laws they'll come up with some guidelines that will still screw over the athletes but won't really be challenged in court for a long time.
If you don't think politicians in Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma and so on will pass similar laws you're very naive.
Love how you guys want this to pass. It will end college sports as we know it and a school like pitt won’t stand a chance.
Yes, let’s root for this so we can engulf ourselves in steelers talk 24/7 without sny other distractions.
Yes, let’s root for this so we can engulf ourselves in steelers talk 24/7 without sny other distractions.
Talk about a recruiting advantage. I'm sure Saban has the Alabama legislature drafting a bill as we speak.
I want the athletes to be able to receive fair compensation. If it means the death of college sports as we know it, the NCAA only has itself to blame.
We have a major D1 football and hoops program. With what you guys are wishing for, very few schools could compete in that open market landscape. Pitt is not one of them.
You are wishing for college sports to end. I don’t get why.
Student athletes will get a piece of the pie.
The pie at Alabama, NotreDame, Ped State is a lot bigger than the pie at Pitt, Illinois, Purdue, wake Forrest.
Don’t know how this will workout but If I’m a recruit I’d hire an agent.
CA does not control the sporting side of things and should spend more time on their homeless problem. I was just in SF and the amount of homeless people really caught me off guard. SAD
Funny thing is that most in support of it are liberals and most against are conservatives, in the end what will happen is the exact opposite of what they expect. You will have a small group of elite athletes benefitting and a ton of middle of the pack ones who will end up losing scholarships. Think there aren't going to be schools that drop out after this your wrong also how it effects non revenue sports remains to be seen.
You have to be blind to not see how this will benefit the few blue bloods and leave everyone else far behind.
It would be suicide for college athletics.
But that’s how things are now. At least in football. Or do you expect some team other than Clemson or Alabama to be in the title game.
Not sure how this will work, but my understanding is the schools agree to compete under the NCAA. It's similar to any other collective bargaining agreement. So if the schools decide to allow the athletes to be compensated per state law, they will not be able to compete under NCAA rules.
Homeless isn't just a California issue or an American issue, goto places like Toronto and Tokyo and you'll just as many people living on the streets.
Don't forget that other cities put their homeless on busses to the Bay Area and some migrate their from cold weather cities since you can't freeze to death down by Fisherman's Warf in January. There's also the lack of affordable housing which is a big issue in all of the big cities in North America, Europe, Japan & South Korea that is causing the rise of "working homeless".
receive fair compensation..uh, thought that was tuition, room and awesome food? Until athletes have to meet (or come close) to the academic admission requirements for college entrance I will never support payment to them...let the pros open up a minor league and I'll watch college eligible kids play...
To be 100% honest, you're correct. But, from the NCAA's standpoint, someone is probably going to realize that it's easier to allow this than it will be to maintain this ridiculous charade that they are policing things and making sure that the rules are followed. We all know that the NCAA doesn't have the ability or the will to do that.
It's not "fair compensation" to the most talented players that could leave their sophomore year. They're prohibited, by rule, from making what they're worth.
They don’t enforce rules or police them very well. Which is weird because the money is there, to hire more investigators or whatever the job would be.
This isn’t like state Medicare where one person is responsible to investigate 10000 claims because the budget is tight.
You undermine your own point. These are “student” athletes in name only. They should be compensated fairly for what they do, not given scraps of tuition relative to how much money college football generates just to hold up the shame of amateurism.
The IRS is in even worse shape. If you look at the list of schools that have actual sanctions, they're all minor programs at smaller schools. You know why? Because those schools don't have the budget or the will to fight. So the NCAA maintains their "numbers" at lower levels. It's all a joke.
I undermined nothing in that I simply said college students should be required to meet college academic requirements and only academically eligible athletes should make up squads of an academic institution.....I am saying academically worthy athletes should be compensated in some way..These are “student” athletes in name only..I am saying things in that regard should change. "should" is a different word that "are" now isn't it?
btw...I am paying about 125 grand to get my kid (who earned his way academically) through 4 years at Pitt..you call this scraps (wonder how much this is in
"relative" terms to the money a 3rd string scholar-shipped cornerback or the six man on the ladies hoop team generates)...
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not sure how the ncaa or their university is prohibiting their departure to make a living...care to elaborate.
Yeah, isn't that the NFL setting the rule.
Any player can go to another professional league.
Isn't that an NFL constraint?
I've said all along that the NFL has been using these kids by getting three years after high school to evaluate talent, workout having to pay a dime to either the players, or the coaches.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Pitt doesn’t give a shit about your kid beyond the $125k that you are paying them. As an undergrad, your kid is worth exactly $125k to the university, there is no extra benefit or value to the university. That’s why your kid has to meet academic standards.And if your kid is one of the 0.00001% of undergrads that develops something of value while at the University, he is able to receive compensation for the value of his work.
A star football player is worth let’s say 2% of the $25million+ that the University makes off football annually. If he is there for 3 seasons, that's at least $1.5million. For basketball, this percentage is much higher per star player. This also says nothing of the effect successful sports programs have on increased student applications, which multiple studies have shown spike for years following successful seasons,and alumni support.
Except I don't think that thousands of teenagers should not be fairly compensated for their work and abilities just so I can pretend that Pitt has a chance to be a football/basketball powerhouse again.
did I say they did give a shit about my kid? I said 125 grand was not scraps....what I said is they (and every other university in the nation) should give a shit about academic integrity as that is supposed to be their mission and once that bar is met then compensate or allow personal profit using image....do you disagree? This is not a moon shot in 10 years this is simple sat scores and class rank metrics being applied to admission based on a student body or a national standard.
Once all academic requirements are met that star player is still worth 2% of that 25 million and should be compensated. Never a good starting point to lead with the exception (star player) and not the rule (kids on scholly getting everything for free and not generating much at all).
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sorry to break it to you but pitt football and basketball aren't going to be power houses again, regardless of paying kids..
Maybe it's because I rushed and my sentence is structured poorly, but I'm pretty sure that my intention was still clear. And you missed it.
I wonder if the NCAA would try to create some sort of compromise, i.e. allow California schools to continue to play and compete against NCAA schools but be ineligible for NCAA postseasons/championships.
I doubt it though because then those who lose would cry foul due to there being a competitive disadvantage, and rightly so.
I doubt it though because then those who lose would cry foul due to there being a competitive disadvantage, and rightly so.
no, im with you. i get your point, im just thinking about the trickle down effect that something like this will have on college football and hoops.
As far as the current compensation structure, i don't agree with you. i think that the value of a free education, the perks of top healthcare, and all of the ridiculous perks that a college athlete has is more than fair.. and playing college football and basketball is a choice they make, if they don't want to do this, there are other options.
I think it's BS that they cant go play in nba or nfl right away though, i wont defend that rule..
But that's the thing, schools and the NCAA never gave that stuff out until they were forced to give it out. Schools didn't have to give free education or any healthcare or any of the perks that were associated with college athletics. It isn't until recently that schools started being held accountable for their "student-athletes". Schools over-recruited, pulled scholarships with no warning, kicked kids out for injuries sustained while playing their sport without compensation, etc. Schools weren't required to pay for the treatment of injuries sustained while playing sports, in fact there were rules in place that prevented schools from doing that. This was the norm for decades until only a few years ago. Schools still don't have to pay for a kid's health insurance, only to ensure that a kid has it.
As for the value of an education. How many hours a week do you think these kids have to put in toward their sport and how much time do you think that leaves them for this quality education? If schools gave a damn about their players getting a "quality education" there wouldn't be so many scandals and rumors of paper classes and "tutoring services".. These are decisions being made by 50-80 year-old coaches, administrators, donors, board members, etc. So don't blame it all on the 18-21 year old kids.
So many people take out all their anger toward the kids. No one bats an eye when revenues skyrocket and coaching salaries double in less than a decade, and university reinvestment into facilities explodes. But letting a kid earn money for his own autograph enrages them.
