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Can Franklin outcoach a team with no coaches?

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This should be interesting. I think UGa has only 3 full-time coaches left. Quite honestly, I dont think PSU can lose this game. Georgia will have no motivation while this is an enormous game for PSU and especially Franklin. If he loses to a team that doesn't have coaches, his seat may start to get a little hot.

This is the kind of game Franklin won at Vandy. He beat big-name teams having terrible years or that sustained many injuries or were just uninterested.

PSU 20
UGa 10
 
I still think jimmy gets out coached.

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This should be interesting. I think UGa has only 3 full-time coaches left. Quite honestly, I dont think PSU can lose this game. Georgia will have no motivation while this is an enormous game for PSU and especially Franklin. If he loses to a team that doesn't have coaches, his seat may start to get a little hot.

This is the kind of game Franklin won at Vandy. He beat big-name teams having terrible years or that sustained many injuries or were just uninterested.

PSU 20
UGa 10
Hard to see Penn State losing this game, Georgia also has a number of Starters out!

Looking forward to WVU beating ASU too!

So, 8-5 for all 3 Programs in 2015!
 
This should be interesting. I think UGa has only 3 full-time coaches left. Quite honestly, I dont think PSU can lose this game. Georgia will have no motivation while this is an enormous game for PSU and especially Franklin. If he loses to a team that doesn't have coaches, his seat may start to get a little hot.

This is the kind of game Franklin won at Vandy. He beat big-name teams having terrible years or that sustained many injuries or were just uninterested.

PSU 20
UGa 10
Does Penn State get any new offensive lineman for this game? Last time I checked Georgia still has their senior oriented disruptive defensive lineman playing. I'm not seeing why you would have confidence in Penn State.

UGA 20
PSU 13
 
Does Penn State get any new offensive lineman for this game? Last time I checked Georgia still has their senior oriented disruptive defensive lineman playing. I'm not seeing why you would have confidence in Penn State.

UGA 20
PSU 13
I'm just curious if there has ever been a team to play so many games where the opponent has interim HC's. This will be what, their 4th? 5th? Actually it's kind of funny.
 
I'm just curious if there has ever been a team to play so many games where the opponent has interim HC's. This will be what, their 4th? 5th? Actually it's kind of funny.
Read this on BWI.....these coaches have so feared going up against James from STATE COLLEGE they have asked to be removed.
 
Doesn't matter who's calling plays at any level if your o-line stinks most plays will not work.I know first hand about this.This being said Ga defense will stop PSU offense.Thus a Ga win because it all starts up front and PSU doesn't have the horses.
 
GA is a 6 point favorite.

GA could be an unmotivated mess. On the other hand, if GA is invested in playing and winning, you've got a good SEC DL against that PSU OL. That could get ugly.
 
If the fanbase factors at all UGA wins... They are completely disgusted with being matched up against Ped... Meaning it's now OSU Mich MSU Pitt and UGA fans who get it... Sorry PG & Cook .... It's not true it's only Pitt fans... Wake up no one outside the bubble has a shred of respect....
 
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Cap,

Georgia has one starter out. Tim Kimbrough, third leading tackler.
Thanks, Toad Gurley was suspended earlier too, but not a starter! Georgia this year had key injuries to Running Back Kublanow, Wideout McKenzie, DB Wilkerson and Stanley eatlier, but like you say, not Starters should be back by now? Thanks, I stand corrected!

Interesting Brian Schottenheimer the OC may be available soon, or did he go with Richt to Miami? This is my choice for Pitt, but admit have no clue?
 
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Doesn't matter who's calling plays at any level if your o-line stinks most plays will not work.I know first hand about this.This being said Ga defense will stop PSU offense.Thus a Ga win because it all starts up front and PSU doesn't have the horses.
I really be surprised if Penn State Players are not ready for this game, and Georgia just has nothing to play until Kirby Smart arrives in about 12 days?
 
Is there a book that the state College library carries called "penn state excuses (for losses where the refs weren't out to get us)"? I swear every psu loss is met with some excuse. My personal favorite was the time Iowa beat psu in Iowa and psu was cold because the on field heaters were not working for them and they didn't have mittens to keep their wittle fingers warm
 
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This should be interesting. I think UGa has only 3 full-time coaches left. Quite honestly, I dont think PSU can lose this game. Georgia will have no motivation while this is an enormous game for PSU and especially Franklin. If he loses to a team that doesn't have coaches, his seat may start to get a little hot.

This is the kind of game Franklin won at Vandy. He beat big-name teams having terrible years or that sustained many injuries or were just uninterested.

PSU 20
UGa 10

I. Don't. Care.
 
Is there a book that the state College library carries called "penn state excuses (for losses where the refs weren't out to get us)"? I swear every psu loss is met with some excuse. My personal favorite was the time Iowa beat psu in Iowa and psu was cold because the on field heaters were not working for them and they didn't have mittens to keep their wittle fingers warm

It is not just that, the CULT takes delight in other Big Ten Teams that beat them in losing, and this is indicative how they have been for years, and just shows no class or character at all, yet, they claim that is is what Penn State is all about?

Still, the Penn State Grads I know and some that post here on the Lair are great people full of class and character as seen in their postings and even when all agree to disagree?


Most of the bullies and cowards that posts on BWI are not even PSU Graduates, and have attacked the better BWI Posters! Smart beats Dumb and one can see Smarts in Posts, and Smart BWI Posters have gone and posted elsewhere like MichLion on Michigan Boards, and is both fair reasonable and has great insight.
 
This should be interesting. I think UGa has only 3 full-time coaches left. Quite honestly, I dont think PSU can lose this game. Georgia will have no motivation while this is an enormous game for PSU and especially Franklin. If he loses to a team that doesn't have coaches, his seat may start to get a little hot.

This is the kind of game Franklin won at Vandy. He beat big-name teams having terrible years or that sustained many injuries or were just uninterested.

PSU 20
UGa 10
This hurts.....
STATE COLLEGE 24
UGA 14
But.....
UGA is damaged goods and just have a feeling STATE plays a good game...
 
Despite what is being claimed on BWI, Franklin is the 4th best head coach, at most, in his own division. We have yet to see how Ash & Durkin turn out.
 
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In fairness to Franklin your only as good as your assistant coaches.How much actual coaching does a head coach do during the game?In his case his oc wasn't very good,so he did what he had to do with him.Even at Vanderbilt his offensives were ranked low nationally.Its the head coach's job to get the players and then oversee their development but the assistant do the coaching.PSU defense is in good hands and will play at a high level because of the coaches.In my opinion Franklin brought in Moorhead because he was a former head coach and oc.Franklin needs help in game management and I think Moorhead is the answer to that.Plus he runs a pretty good offense from what I can tell.Franklin
needed to address the offense and he did it but probably he hated to.If you ever had to fire a friend you know what I mean.All this said they still lose to Ga!
 
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"medixman, post: 698357, member: 28301"]In fairness to Franklin your only as good as your assistant coaches.
Paterno did not wear any Headset, but would watch from the sidelines and coach up his Players as they came off the field! Or yell out, time for a long pass, and all his Assistants were running their jobs even when Paterno was in the Box recovering during his illness and leg healing!

Franklin's looks very confused on the sidelines and often yelling with his coaches?


Franklin selected his Assistants and often boasted how loyal and long term they have been with him on Friday before the MSU Game, until he fired Donovan on Monday?

How much actual coaching does a head coach do during the game?
Apparently, in the B1G most do better and more than Franklin is showing the last 2 years!

In his case his oc wasn't very good,so he did what he had to do with him. Even at Vanderbilt his offensives were ranked low nationally.
Hmmnnn, not according to BWI Cult Posters?

Its the head coach's job to get the players and then oversee their development but the assistant do the coaching.
Well, Hackenberg a 5 Star Recruit at QB has not improved since O'Brien has left, nor the OL? Franklin is not doing what oversight he is suppose to do now for 2 years, even with Top 25 Recruiting Classes?

PSU defense is in good hands and will play at a high level because of the coaches.
Agree, but they get worn down by and after Half Time!

In my opinion Franklin brought in Moorhead because he was a former head coach and oc.
And a pretty good one at that plus will help recruit Western PA & Central Catholic Grads!!!

Franklin needs help in game management and I think Moorhead is the answer to that.
1. This is where I disagree, many on BWI and here on the PSU Posters Lair say Franklin did great at Vandy and so he had it there, but now needs more time at PSU?

2. Moreover, Meyer, Harbaugh and Dantonio have it already and you say Franklin is still learning it, does not bode well for Penn State Players on Game Day?

3. In my view, a Great Head Coach already knows how to handle that aspect of the game, and if he doesn't he usually fails sooner or later.

4. It is like Power, some say Perception of Power is just as good as having Power, but that is outright false myths of the blinded fools. True Power is the one thing you mist have and one either has it or not, it is the one trait that cannot be faked!

Same goes for CEO Coaches Clock Management Skills, you either have it or don't, and No Assistant can teach it to you and only the Head Coach is calling those shots at Games! If Franklin does not have it now, doubtful it coming later???

Especially against Harbaugh, Meyer, Dantonio and Ferentz this year?


Plus he runs a pretty good offense from what I can tell.
Well, if he can teach that to Franklin we shall see, but not a good thing Franklin needs it now?

Franklin needed to address the offense and he did it but probably he hated to. If you ever had to fire a friend you know what I mean.All this said they still lose to Ga!
Good post and thank you for your insight, we shall see, and Franklin does need to be judge after 2016-17, to be fair, but Meyer and Harbaugh didn't need more time or a plan!
 
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In fairness to Franklin your only as good as your assistant coaches.How much actual coaching does a head coach do during the game?In his case his oc wasn't very good,so he did what he had to do with him.Even at Vanderbilt his offensives were ranked low nationally.Its the head coach's job to get the players and then oversee their development but the assistant do the coaching.PSU defense is in good hands and will play at a high level because of the coaches.In my opinion Franklin brought in Moorhead because he was a former head coach and oc.Franklin needs help in game management and I think Moorhead is the answer to that.Plus he runs a pretty good offense from what I can tell.Franklin
needed to address the offense and he did it but probably he hated to.If you ever had to fire a friend you know what I mean.All this said they still lose to Ga!
With respect imo nothing could be farther from fact.
It is ALL about the head man.....and as long as you don't have to operate on the cheap...assistant coaches are readily available....

Ever see films of practices...the head guys are all over the place. Theres some very old film from STATE when grandpa Munster was a young man...not one thing on that field happened without him being ALL over it...every minute of every session.

It starts, goes in between and ends with the top guy.
 
This should be interesting. I think UGa has only 3 full-time coaches left. Quite honestly, I dont think PSU can lose this game. Georgia will have no motivation while this is an enormous game for PSU and especially Franklin. If he loses to a team that doesn't have coaches, his seat may start to get a little hot.

This is the kind of game Franklin won at Vandy. He beat big-name teams having terrible years or that sustained many injuries or were just uninterested.

PSU 20
UGa 10

Franklin vs. nobody = pick-em
 
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Does Penn State get any new offensive lineman for this game? Last time I checked Georgia still has their senior oriented disruptive defensive lineman playing. I'm not seeing why you would have confidence in Penn State.

UGA 20
PSU 13
agreed GA has great athletes and can compete with anyone. Penn State lacks talent at most positions and it will take the dominator several years to fill the void but the nit wits won't be patient enough to let it happen.
 
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You guys are missing what I'm saying about coaching during the game.The head coach is not on the sideline coaching each group while they're not in the game.The coordinaters and position coaches are doing this.Here is where your in game coaching determines the out come of games.Franklin realized his OC wasn't what PSU needed to succeed so he's gone.As far as practices and film sessions,yes the head coach is in charge and coordinates.But the best coach in the world can't do it alone.It's up to that coach to get the assistants that make the program succeed.Rat17 I never said PSU was losing because of assistant coaches alone,its a combination of things.Biggest thing is the terrible ol,very inconsistent, inaccurate, bad decision making QB and coaching mistakes.Plus that division of the Big 10 is pretty good.
 
You guys are missing what I'm saying about coaching during the game.The head coach is not on the sideline coaching each group while they're not in the game.The coordinaters and position coaches are doing this.Here is where your in game coaching determines the out come of games.Franklin realized his OC wasn't what PSU needed to succeed so he's gone.As far as practices and film sessions,yes the head coach is in charge and coordinates.But the best coach in the world can't do it alone.It's up to that coach to get the assistants that make the program succeed.Rat17 I never said PSU was losing because of assistant coaches alone,its a combination of things.Biggest thing is the terrible ol,very inconsistent, inaccurate, bad decision making QB and coaching mistakes.Plus that division of the Big 10 is pretty good.
Sorry, Medixman, I enjoy reading your posts and insights and compliment them, but I disagree with you on some of the above points, with no offense taken or given!

The Head Coach is responsible for hiring his Assistants, and overseeing them, and a tell tell sign of future problems exists when he has to fire Assistants is another portending sign he himself is heading towards trouble if he can't win more soon?

Mike Munchak refused to fire his Assistants and was fired! Mike London at UVA changed some of his Assistants but later was fired.

I just agree to disagree with you, it is not a good sign, when it happens, especially when they are Assistants you had a long time and called them friends and family one day, and three days later fired them?

Those Coaching changes have to turn losing into winning sooner or the Head Coach is gone?
 
If Franklin didn't make a change he might of been gone.Maybe pressure on Franklin to do it,maybe not?Donovan wasn't a good OC and a poor te coach too.Franklin hired him and it was his mistake so he rectified it by giving his friend the pink slip.
No it doesn't look good when a head coach has to do that but like a CEO sometimes it has to be done!I think its an upgrade but time will tell.I als think Franklin wants a veteran voice in his headphone when things are getting sticky in a game.
 
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This thread is worthless. Penn State has never lost a game. If the NCAA says they have..it is only because the refs were against them. The Big Ten is against them. The other team has kids playing who aren't qualified to be college students. All of Penn State's key players were hurt. The other team cheated. And numerous other reasons. If it weren't for this we would be undefeated!
 
"medixman, post: 698964, member: 28301"]If Franklin didn't make a change he might of been gone. Maybe pressure on Franklin to do it,maybe not?
Wel, that just confirms what I just posted! If Franklin had to do the firing or be fired, he chose Donovan?

Donovan wasn't a good OC and a poor te coach too.Franklin hired him and it was his mistake so he rectified it by giving his friend the pink slip.
Still another one of my points, Donovan was fine at Vandy but got bad at Penn State? Or did Dantonio, Meyer, Ruhle and Harbaugh better Head coacehs than Franklin?

No it doesn't look good when a head coach has to do that but like a CEO sometimes it has to be done!
Agree! But it is also not a good sign for the Head Coach to admit he made a bad choice?

I think its an upgrade but time will tell.I also think Franklin wants a veteran voice in his headphone when things are getting sticky in a game.
Agree again, and we shall see! Harbaugh and Meyer have to replace their DC too, Narduzzi OC, we compared that to what happens with Franklin's OC in 2016?

They all make the big money because they are expected to make right Decisions on the Program? From Hiring Assistants, Recruiting and Game Day Sideline Coaching!
 
This thread is worthless. Penn State has never lost a game. If the NCAA says they have..it is only because the refs were against them. The Big Ten is against them. The other team has kids playing who aren't qualified to be college students. All of Penn State's key players were hurt. The other team cheated. And numerous other reasons. If it weren't for this we would be undefeated!
Don't forget the BOT, the state of Pennsylvania and ESPN also. They are the ultimate victims.
 
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