Canada on the way out.
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Get real. Canada nuked that bridge.
Ship has sailed... our offense(talent) was pretty darn good last year.
Nothing says stability like a new OC every year.
Nothing says loser more than accepting mediocrity. See
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Why would you want stability with an OC who is awful? That’s insanity.
How good is he really? Hes been fired once again. Seriously people, why on earth should Pitt take him back? Its clear the players made him look good, then he treated Pitt like a stepchild and left after 1 year. Let someone else throw him a life vest.
Take a look who is propring him up in this thread. Couple trolls. For'get'about'it....
Watson was basically forced to use Canada's offense from last year without the talent capable of running it. Then he had a statue for a quarterback who got injured once he found his groove and then was stuck with a third-string caliber quarterback running the offense. When they finally put Pickett in as the starter in the Miami game, the offense was finally designed around the talent they had on the field. Watson may not be a great offensive coordinator, but he is no where as bad as what some make him out to be.
Don't let that outstanding Miami win cloud your judgement. Watson's play calling was head scratchingly bad at a lot of points this season(NC, VT, etc). if Canada would come back, I would welcome him.
Who do you have more confidence in Watson or Canada to get Pickett, Davis/Sibley and a young OL developed?
I have 0 in Watson.
Let’s also not forget, it was Watson who chose Browne and then DiNucci to play over Pickett.
Canada isn’t coming back, it’s a pipe dream. But for some of you to say, NO, he hurt our feelings, I don’t want him back.....you’re nuts.
Never said anything of the sort...but Canada came into a perfect storm of offensive talent. We will have no idea how he would do with what we had this year. We don't know who he would have started and when. We can guess and this is all.
Was Watson ideal...no but he did lose some key players so I won't throw him out quite yet. Next year will show us more.
2019 is the year Pitt has to strike. 2018 has to be used to prepare young guys so that we hit the ground running in 2019. I think Watson blows and it’s painfully obvious. I hate the idea of having to break in a new OC for 2019. If Watson stays for 2018, I hope halfway through they start to let Salem call the plays in preparation for taking over as OC in 2019.
Part of what made Canada good was being creative in getting the ball into the hands of his best players....Conner, Weah, Henderson and the myriad of TE’s. Watson did not show me he could do that at all.
If you can pay the KS buyout and find a quality coach to come to a school who runs off coaches, then get it done!!Nothing says loser more than accepting mediocrity. See
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Pitt:watson
This post highlights why Pitt sucks. Pitt fans love mediocrity, it’s in your DNA. Let’s glaze over the fact that Watson was directly responsible for at least 3 losses this year, and damn near lost to Youngstown State. His offense also literally put multiple people to sleep against Oklahoma State. And I love people continuing to point to the Miami game as if that was the cure to all that ails Pitt. Pickett was good, not great and will never play 12 games taking the multiple shots that he did.
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Lol...so, 2018 is another throw away year with the excuse that Pitt is young again? And you want Tim Salem to be the OC in 2019? Lol. Salem couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag.
When you don't have a QB worth his weight in O Fries, you are extremely limited in what you can call.
You can't ignore the Miami game because he had a QB who could play. First year ocs are rarely successful. Ask Canada.
The folks clamoring for Pitt to take him back are nuts. Yeah he was a great coach here but he changes jobs more than most of you change your underwear. No thanks to that kind of instability.
So here is my question , how does LSU know they got it wrong after one year , but Pitt and Watson doesn't ? I guess mediocrity is accepted at some places
Yes, 3 months ago I broke down the roster year by year with a depth chart, I realized that 2019 is Pitt’s best shot to win the ACC. 2018 is a 6-8 win year, but who gives a shit about that other than these guys who sit around and circle jerk over going to Detroit or New York for some pathetic bowl game nobody cares about. Win Championships, or prepare the team for those 1 or 2 shots when all the chips fall into place.
I don’t like Salem as an OC, but if we’re going to keep a brain dead old man as an OC for 2018, they need to transition to an OC in 2019 that won’t overhaul the offense, and that is most likely a coach on the staff. You can’t make a big coaching staff change before 2019, it has to be done before 2018.
I dont think Orgeron and Canada can even stand each other. No way that can persist beyond one year.
Losing to Troy still pisses Eddie off. Pitt doesn't have to keep coaches it doesn't think are good either , but we all fall for the Nutting Wallet routine around here.
Matt Canada was brilliant in his one year at Pitt. We would never hire him back obviously. Duzz really seemed back stabbed when he left after 1 year.
I kinda hope more of these job hopping college football coaches get fired more often. And I hope the buy-out money or unreasonably high compensation isn't public /tax dollars but rather private donor/booster money. The football or basketball coach shouldn't be the highest paid employee at the U, since most football or basketball factories U economics aren't based private, profit making, free market/enterprise principles.
They're more like a cost plus, state and federal government supported organization relying on taxpayer dollars to exist. Maybe we need so legislation for that one. It's almost as bad as elected officials using tax dollars to settle their sexual harrassment claims.
If anything is a threat to a stable college football & basketball landscape its the coaches moving around frequently and often, chasing big time compensation! If these were private, free enterprise, for- profit organizations fine but most aren't. They rely on tax dollars or other government supports to exist.
Unfortunately these days alot of players don't go to a U to play for the U, they make the mistake of playing for the coach, who could leave in a heartbeat, leaving the player or players stranded, or they follow the coach around like a bunch of lost dogs.
Have some conviction players, select a U, stick with the U, and play for the U!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coaches since you're dealing with student athletes ( cough /cough), in a public environment, being paid primarily with tax payer dollars, who you recruited, try sticking with the U and the recruits you lied to get them to go to your U in the first place!
I didn't even get into the pay for play scandals, the hookers, the cars, etc.
It's all about bringing back integrity to college sports, and making them college sports again!
"save a horse ride a cowboy"
Signed: Mrs Buffett
Go Pitt Panthers & CSU Rams!
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Matt Canada has a well established record of not getting along with his boss, the HC he reports to. If I were an AD looking to fill the vacant Head Coaching position at a P-5 school, I'm pretty sure I pass on Canada as a candidate. I don't think I want to hire a guy making more money than me, who I have a good chance of not getting along with.
He has no track record of Head Coaching experience. At this point, to qualify for a HC job, the qualities he brings to the table are his football knowledge, and his ability to surround himself with great coaches who can all work for a common goal. He seems to have a pretty good command of point number one. Not so much for point number two.
At this point, to become a head coach, he's going to have to take a drastic pay cut at a smaller school (again, assuming I'm the AD at every P-5 school). Does he go that route?
I have no idea, but it will be interesting to see where he lands.
He has no track record of Head Coaching experience. At this point, to qualify for a HC job, the qualities he brings to the table are his football knowledge, and his ability to surround himself with great coaches who can all work for a common goal. He seems to have a pretty good command of point number one. Not so much for point number two.
At this point, to become a head coach, he's going to have to take a drastic pay cut at a smaller school (again, assuming I'm the AD at every P-5 school). Does he go that route?
I have no idea, but it will be interesting to see where he lands.
Funny thing how Canada lost that mojo in the Pinstripe Bowl once Peterman, Conner and Dorian Johnson were hurt. Watson had some atrocious play-calling this year but neither he nor Canada is exactly the second coming of Bill Walsh.
Yep, and people forget that he was actually being boo'ed in the second half against PSU when he turtled. I wasn't on this board at the time but both Scout and 247 were calling for him to be fired after the North Carolina debacle. Canada is nothing but an urban legend of fabulousness. Canada made millions off of one Cuse game where we played against a D that literally didn't even try to stop us and a Clemson game that was great individual efforts by Conner and Peterman and his brilliant presto-chango offense for the first 15 minutes of the PSU game. Beyond that, he was no better than this past season even with better talent.
"LSU plans to split with Matt Canada after the Citrus Bowl.
Canada, the 45-year-old offensive coordinator the Tigers plucked from Pittsburgh last December, is not expected to remain on the LSU staff for the 2018 season, multiple sources told The Advocate.
Officials at LSU have been in discussion with Canada's representatives on a potential settlement for a split with the coach, according to multiple sources. A possible replacement is longtime assistant Steve Ensminger, something Orgeron revealed himself during a news conference after the regular season finale against Texas A&M.
The 16th-ranked Tigers (9-3) meet No. 14 Notre Dame (9-3) on Monday in Orlando, Florida. LSU departs for the bowl site Thursday, and coordinators are scheduled to speak with reporters Friday morning.
Canada signed a three-year contract last December paying him $1.5 million per year as the highest-paid offensive coordinator in college football. The school would owe him about $3 million to be paid in monthly installments over the life of the contract, through 2020. That amount is offset by any future compensation Canada earns at another job, according to a copy of his contract.
Canada is accustomed to quick stops during his coaching journey. LSU is his fifth school in the past seven seasons, including Pitt (2016), N.C. State (2013-15), Wisconsin (2012) and Northern Illinois (2011).
Canada’s exit comes after Orgeron, following the win over Texas A&M, said he “hoped” Canada pursues and lands a head coaching vacancy this offseason. Orgeron even mentioned the potential replacement for Canada in Ensminger, who coordinated LSU’s offense in the interim last season when Orgeron took over for the fired Les Miles.
The marriage between Canada and Orgeron started as many do, with an upbeat and positive news conference, two smiling coaches posing for photographers and speaking glowingly about one another. At some point, though, things changed. Their relationship turned icy, sources close to the situation told The Advocate.
A disconnect grew during the first month of the season, when the head coach admitted to meddling in Canada’s offense by removing the presnap movements in the first half of a game against Troy. The 24-21 loss to Troy sparked a meeting involving athletic director Joe Alleva, Orgeron and both coordinators, Canada and defensive coordinator Dave Aranda, a gathering that got them “all on the same page,” Orgeron said that week.
Ed Orgeron does not regret using one of his precious 25 spots in the 2018 signing class on a kicker, even though it left LSU “tight” on number…
Canada was Orgeron’s first significant hire as permanent head coach, bringing in a Midwesterner with a unique offense built around presnap movement and the jet sweep motion. Canada turned a record-breaking 2016 season at Pittsburgh — the Panthers finished 10th in scoring — into a multimillion-dollar gig in the Southeastern Conference.
He was expected to enliven an archaic LSU offense and a struggling quarterback position, a pair of problems that eventually resulted in the firing of Miles.
However, Canada will get only one crack at that solution. Now, LSU’s schematic future and quarterback situation is uncertain. Canada’s scheme provided flexibility in using a dual-threat or pro-style quarterback, part of the reason Orgeron said he hired the coach.
Freshman Myles Brennan is the heir apparent to senior Danny Etling, many believe. In fact, the starting QB battle during camp was a tight one, with Brennan holding a physical and talent edge while Etling possessed the experience of a fifth-year player.
Coaches rotated the two during non-conference games in the first month of the season. Many believe Canada leaned toward playing the rookie more often.
Either way, Canada’s 2017 offense produced its share of highs and lows.
The Tigers scored at least 27 points in eight of 12 games, and they controlled the ball in a 17-16 win at Florida and were inches away from completing pivotal, long passes in a 24-10 loss at Alabama. The unit produced the best passing offense in three years at LSU but still finished toward the bottom in the country, averaging 201 yards passing per game (85th nationally).
Etling, an injury-plagued Purdue transfer with limitations, threw 14 touchdowns to two interceptions, and Canada’s offense, in general, excelled in ball security. The Tigers’ eight turnovers in the regular season ties Alabama for the national lead and ties the school record.
"I think it's been fantastic," Orgeron said when asked Wednesday about Canada's offense. "I think the offense has done what we wanted them to do. I think it's been good. For us to win nine games, go 6-1 after the Troy game, I think things have been great."
Arden Key hasn't made any official announcement as to whether he'll return to LSU next season or enter the NFL draft.
There were problems, starting with the red zone.
They were 71st nationally scoring touchdowns on 60.78 percent of their trips in the red zone and 101st in overall scoring percentage inside the 20 — much of that because of nine missed field goal attempts.
The Tigers finished 53rd in total offense, 28th in rushing and 71st in scoring in a season in which they consistently played two true freshmen on the offensive line. Along with that, a knee injury suffered in camp hampered star running back Derrius Guice for the first half of the season.
Meanwhile, Canada’s jet sweeps worked in the league.
Through the first nine games of the season, LSU averaged more than 7 yards per carry on jet sweeps in conference games. They were critical in wins over Florida (10 for 89 yards) and Auburn (5-93) and commendable in games against BYU (10-53) and Ole Miss (7-42). They also helped the Tigers hog the ball (34 minutes) at Alabama, running 10 sweeps for 35 yards."
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_11922afe-eb6d-11e7-922e-23c9a102ca3d.html
Canada, the 45-year-old offensive coordinator the Tigers plucked from Pittsburgh last December, is not expected to remain on the LSU staff for the 2018 season, multiple sources told The Advocate.
Officials at LSU have been in discussion with Canada's representatives on a potential settlement for a split with the coach, according to multiple sources. A possible replacement is longtime assistant Steve Ensminger, something Orgeron revealed himself during a news conference after the regular season finale against Texas A&M.
The 16th-ranked Tigers (9-3) meet No. 14 Notre Dame (9-3) on Monday in Orlando, Florida. LSU departs for the bowl site Thursday, and coordinators are scheduled to speak with reporters Friday morning.
Canada signed a three-year contract last December paying him $1.5 million per year as the highest-paid offensive coordinator in college football. The school would owe him about $3 million to be paid in monthly installments over the life of the contract, through 2020. That amount is offset by any future compensation Canada earns at another job, according to a copy of his contract.
Canada is accustomed to quick stops during his coaching journey. LSU is his fifth school in the past seven seasons, including Pitt (2016), N.C. State (2013-15), Wisconsin (2012) and Northern Illinois (2011).
Canada’s exit comes after Orgeron, following the win over Texas A&M, said he “hoped” Canada pursues and lands a head coaching vacancy this offseason. Orgeron even mentioned the potential replacement for Canada in Ensminger, who coordinated LSU’s offense in the interim last season when Orgeron took over for the fired Les Miles.
The marriage between Canada and Orgeron started as many do, with an upbeat and positive news conference, two smiling coaches posing for photographers and speaking glowingly about one another. At some point, though, things changed. Their relationship turned icy, sources close to the situation told The Advocate.
A disconnect grew during the first month of the season, when the head coach admitted to meddling in Canada’s offense by removing the presnap movements in the first half of a game against Troy. The 24-21 loss to Troy sparked a meeting involving athletic director Joe Alleva, Orgeron and both coordinators, Canada and defensive coordinator Dave Aranda, a gathering that got them “all on the same page,” Orgeron said that week.
Ed Orgeron does not regret using one of his precious 25 spots in the 2018 signing class on a kicker, even though it left LSU “tight” on number…
Canada was Orgeron’s first significant hire as permanent head coach, bringing in a Midwesterner with a unique offense built around presnap movement and the jet sweep motion. Canada turned a record-breaking 2016 season at Pittsburgh — the Panthers finished 10th in scoring — into a multimillion-dollar gig in the Southeastern Conference.
He was expected to enliven an archaic LSU offense and a struggling quarterback position, a pair of problems that eventually resulted in the firing of Miles.
However, Canada will get only one crack at that solution. Now, LSU’s schematic future and quarterback situation is uncertain. Canada’s scheme provided flexibility in using a dual-threat or pro-style quarterback, part of the reason Orgeron said he hired the coach.
Freshman Myles Brennan is the heir apparent to senior Danny Etling, many believe. In fact, the starting QB battle during camp was a tight one, with Brennan holding a physical and talent edge while Etling possessed the experience of a fifth-year player.
Coaches rotated the two during non-conference games in the first month of the season. Many believe Canada leaned toward playing the rookie more often.
Either way, Canada’s 2017 offense produced its share of highs and lows.
The Tigers scored at least 27 points in eight of 12 games, and they controlled the ball in a 17-16 win at Florida and were inches away from completing pivotal, long passes in a 24-10 loss at Alabama. The unit produced the best passing offense in three years at LSU but still finished toward the bottom in the country, averaging 201 yards passing per game (85th nationally).
Etling, an injury-plagued Purdue transfer with limitations, threw 14 touchdowns to two interceptions, and Canada’s offense, in general, excelled in ball security. The Tigers’ eight turnovers in the regular season ties Alabama for the national lead and ties the school record.
"I think it's been fantastic," Orgeron said when asked Wednesday about Canada's offense. "I think the offense has done what we wanted them to do. I think it's been good. For us to win nine games, go 6-1 after the Troy game, I think things have been great."
Arden Key hasn't made any official announcement as to whether he'll return to LSU next season or enter the NFL draft.
There were problems, starting with the red zone.
They were 71st nationally scoring touchdowns on 60.78 percent of their trips in the red zone and 101st in overall scoring percentage inside the 20 — much of that because of nine missed field goal attempts.
The Tigers finished 53rd in total offense, 28th in rushing and 71st in scoring in a season in which they consistently played two true freshmen on the offensive line. Along with that, a knee injury suffered in camp hampered star running back Derrius Guice for the first half of the season.
Meanwhile, Canada’s jet sweeps worked in the league.
Through the first nine games of the season, LSU averaged more than 7 yards per carry on jet sweeps in conference games. They were critical in wins over Florida (10 for 89 yards) and Auburn (5-93) and commendable in games against BYU (10-53) and Ole Miss (7-42). They also helped the Tigers hog the ball (34 minutes) at Alabama, running 10 sweeps for 35 yards."
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_11922afe-eb6d-11e7-922e-23c9a102ca3d.html
This is where I'm at.
I dont' like Watson, and I think Canada is better. But people acting like we need to drop everything to get back this "genius," are fooling themselves. He's a pretty good OC, but he isn't somebody that has such a great system that you just "plug and play." He's not Briles or Leach or somebody like that. We had a lot of NFL guys on offense last year, and that jet sweep really took a lot of teams by surprise.
