If all your players leave, chances are pretty good you are the problem and not “all” the individual players.
Capel player transfers and his failure
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X, Trey and Toney were all poor character reaches. They all topped out on their talent here and still lost with a NBA player covering for their deficiencies.
By Gary's count, Pitt won last night without a single player on their roster. Capel must be one hell of a coach.
The real question is would having any, or all, of the players that transferred out made this year's team any more than marginally better?
I doubt it. No one of them is a really good 3-ball shooter. That is this team's biggest problem--no good to great 3-ball shooter(s) to keep opponents from packing it in and doubling or even tripling Hugley.
IMHO, the only player, had he not gone pro, who would have helped is Champagnie--not because of his 3-ball shooting which was only fair at best --but, because his baseline drive and rebounding threat would have taken some inside defensive pressure off of Hugley. He would have replaced Jeffress in the current starting lineup, IMO.
I doubt it. No one of them is a really good 3-ball shooter. That is this team's biggest problem--no good to great 3-ball shooter(s) to keep opponents from packing it in and doubling or even tripling Hugley.
IMHO, the only player, had he not gone pro, who would have helped is Champagnie--not because of his 3-ball shooting which was only fair at best --but, because his baseline drive and rebounding threat would have taken some inside defensive pressure off of Hugley. He would have replaced Jeffress in the current starting lineup, IMO.
Even without Horton and Sibande- Champagnie makes this team a tournament team.
Love your view point; but I don't think Champagnie would be enough for that--IMHO, he would be just enough to get us to barely over 0.500 overall and a winning record at something like 17 or 18 wins heading into the ACC tourney in a year when the ACC is very weak. Maybe he would get us to an NIT bid. Just my opinion.
How many teams in the ACC has a better top 5 than Champagnie, Hugley, Burton, Gueye and Femi?
Even if Champagnie didn't improve at all this year- I'm not seeing many.
Why do people think these guys were just thrown into Capel's lap and if he had more time he would have performed a thorough psychological examination on all his recruits? I guarantee he'd recruit the high school versions of all three of these guys again tomorrow if given the chance.
Toney absolutely would make this team better. And Johnson is an inconsistent pain in the ass, but he's better than Femi.
If Champ was back, this team would be an NCAA team in the top 6 of the ACC.
Capel took the best 3 ACC level athletes that he could land in a couple of months and hoped they weren't complete headaches. They ended up being largely complete headaches.
Skill wise- Toney helps this team but there's no way Capel should have allowed him on the team. He was a cancer and terrible teammate.
Ya never know somebody until you live with them . Everyone’s nice ( normally) on dates !
I'd tend to agree. That's why I'd never suggest that Capel would turn down top 100 recruits. Hell, these guys ended up at better programs even after said programs had the benefit of hindsight in seeing the drama they caused at Pitt. If guys can play, teams will take a chance on them.
Could be , but I doubt it . Unless he expects his players to unselfish and good teammates….. that fool !
For a comparison, last year Pitt beat Syracuse at home by 20, scoring 96 points. Last night’s Pitt team had players who scored 7 of those points. Pitt lost 89 points from last year and still managed to win by 11.
He seems to be having no problems at Arkansas.
A lot of this is on the player, but some of it is on the coach. You're always going to have headaches on the team. Capel has been pretty terrible dealing with them.
Why do you doubt it? it's not one guy, it's multiple guys, is it always because of the player?
Trey wanted to a pg and wasn’t anywhere close to X in pg skills and quit mid season .
X couldn’t stop arguing with refs and getting T‘s which shows a total lack of maturity and quit on his team before the season was over
Toney …every yr threatened to transfer and slept with his teammates girl …some pal
I understand the frustration with JC and the bb program , but my monies on JC vs these 3 guys in this conversation.
So it's never the coaches fault, it's like a Mike Tomlin situation, always someone else.
Didn’t say that , but I think most on here would agree that those three had issues .
With your logic Stallings must have been a great coach since his three best players booked once he was fired .
If Toney went to Arkansas and was an ass they’d just tell him don’t let the door hit you on the way out .
One would think if your behavior resulted in getting your face rearranged- one might curb that behavior going forward.
Pitt could have done the same thing, rather than placating and letting things fester. It's ok to set expectations, hold people accountable, and even make an example of them when necessary.
Frankly, if his recruiting was better it wouldn't have lingered. Easier to take action when you have options.
Well in some fantasy land where great or even really good kids are wanting to come to Pitt then you put your foot down .
People at every level put up with a lot of crap if you can play …AB perfect example.
It's not like Pitt has never recruited players. It's Jeff's job to get them here.
Ben Howland set the tone in year one, even with the JC forward he brought in. Also disciplined Knight several times.
From my understanding he threw X out of multiple practices and benched him .
Your assuming you know what goes on behind closed doors !
We don’t have any idea how he handled Toney , but he didn’t discipline Justin for laying him out ! ( as far as we know )
These guys were problems , but seems funny how people complain that they’re gone . In sports there’s a lot of unhappy marriages some you hear about others you don‘t .
If it wasn’t for public opinion it would be interesting to see what it would take to sit a super star down .
I agree. Champ might have gotten us to a 17 or 18 total win level and only a possible NIT bid, nothing more. And that's being optimistic. But with him, it would signal some kind of progress.
Coaching matters. And regardless of the outcome last night, we still have the same coach and staff.
