Capel's recruits here

[Sean Miller Fan]

2020
Hugley - most people say he's done
Amadusun - will never play important minutes
Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team
Odukale - looks to be a solid but not spectacular ACC guard

2019
Murphy - transferred
Drumgoole - miss
Coulibaly - solid backup-level ACC Big
Champagnie- great get but NBA after 2 years without any real team success

2018
McGowens - transferred
Toney/Johnson - solid players, very good at times

So in Year 3 with 0 recruits signed for the 2021 class, Capel has really only "hit" on Johnson, Toney, Champagnie, and Odukale. Coulibaly is what he was thought to be, a solid backup and every team needs that. I wouldn't call that a "hit." I think Jeffress and Collier can be good eventually but they've shown no signs so far.

Capel needs to do better. I never would have thought I'd say this when he was hired but if someone asked me why Capel hadn't been successful here, my answer would be "subpar recruiting"

 

[Millerton24]

2020
Hugley - most people say he's done
Amadusun - will never play important minutes
Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team
Odukale - looks to be a solid but spectacular ACC guard

2019
Murphy - transferred
Drumgoole - miss
Coulibaly - solid backup-level ACC Big
Champagnie- great get but NBA after 2 years without any real team success

2018
McGowens - transferred
Toney/Johnson - solid players, very good at times

So in Year 3 with 0 recruits signed for the 2021 class, Capel has really only "hit" on Johnson, Toney, Champagnie, and Odukale. Coulibaly is what he was thought to be, a solid backup and every team needs that. I wouldn't call that a "hit." I think Jeffress and Collier can be good eventually but they've shown no signs so far.

Capel needs to do better. I never would have thought I'd say this when he was hired but if someone asked me why Capel hadn't been successful here, my answer would be "subpar recruiting"

Jeffress and collier can still be homeruns and Champ isn't leaving

 

[joeydavid]

The recruiting has been fine. 5 and 5 in the ACC 3 years after an 0-18 season is all that needs said about this topic.

Maybe a 5% chance Justin is at Pitt next year.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Jeffress and collier can still be homeruns and Champ isn't leaving

I can’t for the life of me figure out why anyone on here thinks Champ is coming back. Two knee injuries, ACC players of the year averaging 19/12. His dorm room should be at Western Psych if he doesn’t declare and sign with an agent the second he can.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Jeffress and collier can still be homeruns and Champ isn't leaving

They can be but the fact neither can get on the floor on a mediocre team is concerning. Like, I'm not sure we've ever had a player play less as a frosh become a HR. And dont say Brad. Yea he wasnt good as a FR but he was in the rotation on a very good team

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

The Murphy-Drumgoole misses hurt right now. Find two better players who are now sophomores and this team is even better.

 

[JD1976]

The Murphy-Drumgoole misses hurt right now. Find two better players who are sophomores and this team is even better.

Not picking on you, but why do people think Murphy was a miss? It was clear that he was a 1 year filler and nothing more. That relationship never had a multi-year feel to it right from the beginning.

 

[Pitt_Boss]

2020
Hugley - most people say he's done
Amadusun - will never play important minutes
Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team
Odukale - looks to be a solid but not spectacular ACC guard

2019
Murphy - transferred
Drumgoole - miss
Coulibaly - solid backup-level ACC Big
Champagnie- great get but NBA after 2 years without any real team success

2018
McGowens - transferred
Toney/Johnson - solid players, very good at times

So in Year 3 with 0 recruits signed for the 2021 class, Capel has really only "hit" on Johnson, Toney, Champagnie, and Odukale. Coulibaly is what he was thought to be, a solid backup and every team needs that. I wouldn't call that a "hit." I think Jeffress and Collier can be good eventually but they've shown no signs so far.

Capel needs to do better. I never would have thought I'd say this when he was hired but if someone asked me why Capel hadn't been successful here, my answer would be "subpar recruiting"

Where did Horton come from? Did Capel just find him under his desk when he moved in?

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

Not picking on you, but why do people think Murphy was a miss? It was clear that he was a 1 year filler and nothing more. That relationship never had a multi-year feel to it right from the beginning.

First I’m hearing he was a one-year filler. He was brought in to be a three-point specialist for two seasons and was overmatched.

 

[JD1976]

2020
Hugley - most people say he's done
Amadusun - will never play important minutes
Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team
Odukale - looks to be a solid but not spectacular ACC guard

2019
Murphy - transferred
Drumgoole - miss
Coulibaly - solid backup-level ACC Big
Champagnie- great get but NBA after 2 years without any real team success

2018
McGowens - transferred
Toney/Johnson - solid players, very good at times

So in Year 3 with 0 recruits signed for the 2021 class, Capel has really only "hit" on Johnson, Toney, Champagnie, and Odukale. Coulibaly is what he was thought to be, a solid backup and every team needs that. I wouldn't call that a "hit." I think Jeffress and Collier can be good eventually but they've shown no signs so far.

Capel needs to do better. I never would have thought I'd say this when he was hired but if someone asked me why Capel hadn't been successful here, my answer would be "subpar recruiting"

How about this...

X - great freshman year, regression last year, wildly inconsistent in Year 3, but very clearly a solid ACC starter.

Toney- solid, steady development over 3 years. Solid ACC starter.

Champ- Low-profile recruit 18 months ago, now ACC POY candidate

Coulibaly- Low profile recruit progressing very nicely and surprisingly. Clearly has worked hard and is developing good low post and mid-range skills. Upside still in question, but he is progressing nicely.

Odukale-Lighty-regarded PG recruit now playing important minutes each night and trending toward solid starting ACC PG status by Year 3 at the latest.

That’s four guys who have clearly either developed big time or exceeded their recruiting rankings since coming into the program and a fifth X who drives us all crazy, but the talent is undeniable.

Yeah Drumgoole was a miss, but I see a staff that is in the player development business... or in other words, the formula that turned Pitt into a perennial Top 15/NCAA Tourney program in the past.

Based on the progression we have seen from most of the key parts of the roster, doesn’t the evidence suggest that Collier and Jeffress will progress as well?

 

[joeydavid]

First I’m hearing he was a one-year filler. He was brought in to be a three-point specialist for two seasons and was overmatched.

He was late reach to fill a spot after other targets went another direction.

 

[pelfrey]

In the limited time we've seen them, both Jeffress and Collier both look to have the athleticism to potentially be good to very good ACC players. We'll see. We all know that the 2021 recruiting class is critically important...no commitments yet is what makes all of us anxious, esp since I do believe Justin is gone and I'm less sure of X and Toney returning than most of you (just my gut feeling, I'm very likely wrong). Fingers crossed on Reid and some other blue chips to fall our way in the coming weeks/months.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I can’t for the life of me figure out why anyone on here thinks Champ is coming back. Two knee injuries, ACC players of the year averaging 19/12. His dorm room should be at Western Psych if he doesn’t declare and sign with an agent the second he can.

As perverse as this is, his knee could be the one thing that brings him back. If in early April he goes in for what they think is going to be a minor procedure that is going to keep him from playing for say 4-6 weeks and they find out while they are in there that it's worse than they thought and he's going to need 4-6 months to recover, he might decide that he's better off coming back and showing people that his knee is OK rather than take the chance that no one is going to draft a guy who can't work out predraft and who isn't going to be ready to get back on the court until the season is starting next fall.

 

[Millerton24]

I can’t for the life of me figure out why anyone on here thinks Champ is coming back. Two knee injuries, ACC players of the year averaging 19/12. His dorm room should be at Western Psych if he doesn’t declare and sign with an agent the second he can.

We all know how u feel, you've said it a dozen times already. I'm surprised u didn't start off with an ,'lol'.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

We all know how u feel, you've said it a dozen times already. I'm surprised u didn't start off with an ,'lol'.

It’s not how I feel. It’s what gonna happen. LOL

 

[PittPoker]

"Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team"

That's what is most surprising and disappointing to me. Add Nike and his lack of contributing anything as well. We need more at this point in year 3 of Capel then a 6 man rotation. You'd have to believe our starters are getting pretty tired as the game progresses.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

"Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team"

That's what is most surprising and disappointing to me. Add Nike and his lack of contributing anything as well. We need more at this point in year 3 of Capel then a 6 man rotation. You'd have to believe our starters are getting pretty tired as the game progresses.

That’s the scary part for an NCAA push people believe is coming. At what point does Champ on one knee and Toney/X playing 35 + minutes during a covid year wear u out?

 

[mo cheeks]

I can’t for the life of me figure out why anyone on here thinks Champ is coming back. Two knee injuries, ACC players of the year averaging 19/12. His dorm room should be at Western Psych if he doesn’t declare and sign with an agent the second he can.

I love Champ, but think he would get eaten alive in the NBA right now. don't think he sticks with a team right now.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I love Champ, but think he would get eaten alive in the NBA right now. don't think he sticks with a team right now.

Then he’ll never stick with a team. He can get paid to find out or he can waste 2 more years here not getting paid to find out.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not picking on you, but why do people think Murphy was a miss? It was clear that he was a 1 year filler and nothing more. That relationship never had a multi-year feel to it right from the beginning.

Yea, that was kind of a shut-gone marriage/lottery ticket. Wouldn't consider him a miss. Drumgoole was a big miss. He was pretty highly ranked as well.

 

[lilspainishflea]

"Jeffress/Collier- cant get on the floor for a middle of the pack ACC team"

That's what is most surprising and disappointing to me. Add Nike and his lack of contributing anything as well. We need more at this point in year 3 of Capel then a 6 man rotation. You'd have to believe our starters are getting pretty tired as the game progresses.

We have an ACC POTY candidate playing 35 minutes and a junior playing another 35. Where/how do you expect our freshmen wings to play?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

We have an ACC POTY candidate playing 35 minutes and a junior playing another 35. Where/how do you expect our freshmen wings to play?

For an NIT team, freshmen better be playing or maybe they aren't that good

 

[lilspainishflea]

For an NIT team, freshmen better be playing or maybe they aren't that good

We wouldn't have half the wins we do if Toney and Justin weren't demanding 35 mins per night. It's foolish to think that either of them should cede minutes to freshmen. It also doesn't say much about the freshmen that they can't play over a top of the league sophomore and a quality upperclassman. Stop being ridiculous.

 

[H2PisIT]

Then he’ll never stick with a team. He can get paid to find out or he can waste 2 more years here not getting paid to find out.

do you see him opting before THIS season is over ala Paris Ford?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Champagnie- great get but NBA after 2 years without any real team success.

Champagne has been a recruiting/coaching win of huge proportions. Him leaving or staying doesn't detract from that at all.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

For an NIT team, freshmen better be playing or maybe they aren't that good

Stop taking, stupid

 

[below0w]

For an NIT team, freshmen better be playing or maybe they aren't that good

Did you actually expect 17 year old Will Jeffress to get significant playing time as a freshman? Maybe the real problem is with your expectations rather than the guy ranked outside of the top 100 who doesn't turn 18 until the season's over.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Stop taking, stupid

stop taking what?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Did you actually expect 17 year old Will Jeffress to get significant playing time as a freshman? Maybe the problem is with your expectations rather than the freshmen.

He was a Top 100 2020 recruit and we are an NIT team (maybe) so yes. Top 100 recruits, regardless of age should be good enough to earn minutes on NIT teams

 

[below0w]

He was a Top 100 2020 recruit and we are an NIT team (maybe) so yes. Top 100 recruits, regardless of age should be good enough to earn minutes on NIT teams

Not a top 100 recruit. Try again.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not a top 100 recruit. Try again.

When you get a recruit ranked this high, he has GOT to contribute for your mediocre team or something's wrong.

 

[below0w]

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When you get a recruit ranked this high, he has GOT to contribute for your mediocre team or something's wrong.

Hey, remember when you repeatedly corrected people who called Hugley a top 100 recruit because he wasn't one in the composite?

Weird how the standards suddenly change here.

 

[Ski11585]

@Sean Miller Fan - so you think Toney abs Champ should play fewer minutes?

 

[Millerton24]

I love Champ, but think he would get eaten alive in the NBA right now. don't think he sticks with a team right now.

Shhhh

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

do you see him opting before THIS season is over ala Paris Ford?

No, no chance of that unless his knee requires surgery sooner than expected.

 

[Voice of Danno]

SMF. So you think a non elite HS senior should contribute on most P6 hoops team immediately? That's what Jeffress is, a HS Senior playing NCAA hoops. And I noticed you failed to mentioned or take in account (we're shocked but will get over it) the young man did not have the benefit of summer team activities, conditioning and practices. And add in a few practice cancellations due to Covid and he and most FR are far behind their counterparts from previous years. For good reason. But I guess you think most HS seniors with a few weeks of practice and working on their bodies should be able to step in to a top 80 NCAA team.

And guess what? With the free year Jeffress is still technically a HS senior. I'll take him on my team any time. Kid is going to be very good.

 

[Pittx9]

If their 4 best players weren’t all wings or guards and they had someone like Hugley to play 5, I think AKC would be considered a hit. I think he’d be a really solid starting 4 if Pitt had a legit big man playing with him.

They just don’t have a big man right now. And even if they did... X, Horton, Champ, & Toney are still probably your starting 1-4.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I think he’d be a really solid starting 4

The last two games we've played he has been basically destroyed on the defensive end because he's needed to guard centers who could play out to the three point line. Now imagine him having to defend on the perimeter almost all the time as a four. Teams would feast on him.

 

[pittjas]

The last two games we've played he has been basically destroyed on the defensive end because he's needed to guard centers who could play out to the three point line. Now imagine him having to defend on the perimeter almost all the time as a four. Teams would feast on him.

I think he’d be a nice piece to have on your roster alongside a more athletic, “raw” 6-11 or 7 foot center. I mean ideally you get someone like Reid or Cockburn who do it all... but I think Coulibaly is a really solid player against certain matchups where his skill is an advantage.. but then there’s games like UNC where he’s so overwhelmed.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I think he’d be a nice piece to have on your roster alongside a more athletic, “raw” 6-11 or 7 foot center. I mean ideally you get someone like Reid or Cockburn who do it all... but I think Coulibaly is a really solid player against certain matchups where his skill is an advantage.. but then there’s games like UNC where he’s so overwhelmed.

I think he's making progress and is a nice guy to have on the roster. But he simply cannot guard in space right now. Hopefully he gets better at that, but for right now him guarding anyone on the perimeter is asking for trouble.