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CBS Sports ranks Pitt best athletic dept. in ACC, 13th best nationally

Great accomplishment for Heather Lyke and all of the programs, players, coaches, and support staff. Accolades like this, along with the Victory Heights initiative, shows that we will be just fine moving forward as long as we keep this up. H2P!

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That’s incredible! Never that I’d see the day! Now let’s go out a get an NCAA natty in something!
 
Great accomplishment for Heather Lyke and all of the programs, players, coaches, and support staff. Accolades like this, along with the Victory Heights initiative, shows that we will be just fine moving forward as long as we keep this up. H2P!

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Just think of how high it would be ranked if it could find a way to give its football and track teams a on campus home?
 
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Great accomplishment for Heather Lyke and all of the programs, players, coaches, and support staff. Accolades like this, along with the Victory Heights initiative, shows that we will be just fine moving forward as long as we keep this up. H2P!

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Surprising and a great accomplishment but they need to keep it up and even surpass it. Football and Basketball need to keep rising but Baseball needs the most improvement. Need major major Nil money for these 3 sports.
 
Pitt's placement in CBS Sports' Best in College Sports rankings, although the methodology CBS has used has been tweaked over the years.

2022-23: 13-T
2021-22: 27-T
2020-21: 45-T
2019-20: not published (COVID)
2018-19: 69
2017-18: 95
2016-17: 70
2015-16: 70
2014-15: 48
2013-14: rankings not listed above 10
 
This is awesome. And to do this without the huge alumni and donor support other schools have is even more impressive
Very very strong point.

Makes you think this isn’t sustainable. It’s like all the stars aligning for the pirates and they trot out a competing team for a few years.
 
Oddly, the one program that experienced some success when the rest of the AD struggled, was track and field. Am I right?
Men's T&F has been consistently in the bottom half of the ACC in indoor and outdoor. Best finish was 5th in indoor in 2021. It is probably more competitive than it should be given that it has no facilities. Women's are bad.

Basically, it does maybe a little better than you'd expect considering the absolute neglect.

Now, back in the mid- to late 90s, they had some studs on the women's side.
 
Men's T&F has been consistently in the bottom half of the ACC in indoor and outdoor. Best finish was 5th in indoor in 2021. It is probably more competitive than it should be given that it has no facilities. Women's are bad.

Basically, it does maybe a little better than you'd expect considering the absolute neglect.

Now, back in the mid- to late 90s, they had some studs on the women's side.
That’s what I meant. I’m saying that in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, most programs outside of football and basketball struggled, but I seem to remember swimming, diving, and T&F having periodic success. Could be that individual stars like Roger Kingdom are skewing my memory.
 
No surprise. I'm just surprised that Pitt got the recognition. I've said it more than once that Heather is the best AD Pitt has had since Cas... They need to sign her to a long term contract....
 
Just think of how high it would be ranked if it could find a way to give its football and track teams a on campus home?
I think T&F will definitely benefit once they get their own facility. They absolutely deserve it, and it’s a shame they’ve been neglected all these years.

As for football, I’m honestly not sure what they difference would be. The gameday atmosphere would certainly be better, but we already have 5* facilities between Heinz and the South Side. Now, would the improved gameday atmosphere lead to more success? Who knows honestly. I’d love it if we could keep winning and have WVU game atmosphere every game, but that’s a tall task.
 
That’s what I meant. I’m saying that in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, most programs outside of football and basketball struggled, but I seem to remember swimming, diving, and T&F having periodic success. Could be that individual stars like Roger Kingdom are skewing my memory.
Just a guess but I'm also thinking that the ACC is a level higher than what Pitt faced in the Big East. I'm curious what the recruiting base for T&F even looks like. Is it local or does the school get athletes from any other areas?
 
Observations:

*If Pitt were in the Big Ten, they would be the 4th highest school, finishing behind only PSU, Michigan, & Ohio St.

*WVU comes in tied for 63rd…. LOL!

*Rutgers with all the money they spend, comes in at 99.... LOL!

*The Magnificent 7: Florida State (16th), Miami (27th), UNC (29th), Clemson (32nd), NC State (43rd), Virginia Tech (51st) and Virginia (52nd).

*Some surprises: TCU (5th), UConn (12th)
 
I think T&F will definitely benefit once they get their own facility. They absolutely deserve it, and it’s a shame they’ve been neglected all these years.

As for football, I’m honestly not sure what they difference would be. The gameday atmosphere would certainly be better, but we already have 5* facilities between Heinz and the South Side. Now, would the improved gameday atmosphere lead to more success? Who knows honestly. I’d love it if we could keep winning and have WVU game atmosphere every game, but that’s a tall task.
T&F needs an outdoor track as well. An indoor track is great, and long overdue, particularly since there is no indoor track facility in all of Western PA (unbelievable). It could actually make a lot of money because there is no other suitable facility in the area so it could be hosting quite a lot of meets and events. Hopefully they build it right with banked curves, etc, and not cheap. But you aren't going to convince any recruits that the school takes the sport seriously without a decent Mondo surfaced outdoor facility as well.

Football's success has zero to do with being on campus or not.
 
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That’s what I meant. I’m saying that in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, most programs outside of football and basketball struggled, but I seem to remember swimming, diving, and T&F having periodic success. Could be that individual stars like Roger Kingdom are skewing my memory.
Pitt swimming & diving dominated the Big East (19 men's and 9 women's conference championships) until Notre Dame and then Louisville showed up. Same with Pitt volleyball (14 Big East championships), T&F had some top 10 NCAA finishes in indoor track in the 80s; the women in the 90s. Couple of Big East titles for both.

The truth is, Pitt was decent at these sports, but not a national power in any of them, and the Big East was just not that good of a conference in all but a handful of sports (basketball, XC, decent at soccer).
 
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Can any of this help make Pitt more attractive to the looming SEC and B1G expansions? Over schools in similar straits?

Beyond the general reply that “it can’t hurt”(?)

Would this be something that would be weighted in any significant manner on the list of criteria?

Or is it “100% Football revenue (current and potential)” as I suspect?
 
T&F needs an outdoor track as well. An indoor track is great, and long overdue, particularly since there is no indoor track facility in all of Western PA (unbelievable). It could actually make a lot of money because there is no other suitable facility in the area so it could be hosting quite a lot of meets and events. Hopefully they build it right with banked curves, etc, and not cheap. But you aren't going to convince any recruits that the school takes the sport seriously without a decent Mondo surfaced outdoor facility as well.

Football's success has zero to do with being on campus or not.
Someone had, in my opinion, a brilliant idea a few years back of working with the city to build an outdoor T&F stadium at Schenley Park. That’d be a great setting and would be a great facility for ACC Championships.
 
Someone had, in my opinion, a brilliant idea a few years back of working with the city to build an outdoor T&F stadium at Schenley Park. That’d be a great setting and would be a great facility for ACC Championships.
The problem with that is that Pitt needs priority access to any facility all year long. Pitt has tried to partner with the city/parks department on similar types of projects (one being the Mazeroski softball field) and not been able to obtain the necessary necessary priority needed for a home facility. I'd be skeptical of that ever happening.
 
Can any of this help make Pitt more attractive to the looming SEC and B1G expansions? Over schools in similar straits?

Beyond the general reply that “it can’t hurt”(?)

Would this be something that would be weighted in any significant manner on the list of criteria?

Or is it “100% Football revenue (current and potential)” as I suspect?
Not really.

It's like 85% football. You want to show commitment and support to an athletic department, so Pitt is way ahead of where it used to be...being perceived more like a peer because it is no longer at the bottom of power conference athletic departments in overall support and facilities, but It is still all about football.
 
T&F needs an outdoor track as well. An indoor track is great, and long overdue, particularly since there is no indoor track facility in all of Western PA (unbelievable). It could actually make a lot of money because there is no other suitable facility in the area so it could be hosting quite a lot of meets and events. Hopefully they build it right with banked curves, etc, and not cheap. But you aren't going to convince any recruits that the school takes the sport seriously without a decent Mondo surfaced outdoor facility as well.

Football's success has zero to do with being on campus or not.
CrazyPaco...I do agree with most of your post, that being said, I do disagree with the part about football's success having zero to do with or without an on campus stadium. It is a well known fact that most college recruiters who come into the home of a college recruit who has expressed interest in committing to Pitt is made aware of the fact that they do not have their own on campus football stadium. I have seen it done with the recruitment of my nephew from a couple of years ago. I am pretty sure that Heather Lyke is aware of it as well, it is just a matter how it can be done, where to can go and who will pay for it. It can be done, it is just a matter of it being a priority in the Pitt athletic department. That time is now.
 
CrazyPaco...I do agree with most of your post, that being said, I do disagree with the part about football's success having zero to do with or without an on campus stadium. It is a well known fact that most college recruiters who come into the home of a college recruit who has expressed interest in committing to Pitt is made aware of the fact that they do not have their own on campus football stadium. I have seen it done with the recruitment of my nephew from a couple of years ago. I am pretty sure that Heather Lyke is aware of it as well, it is just a matter how it can be done, where to can go and who will pay for it. It can be done, it is just a matter of it being a priority in the Pitt athletic department. That time is now.
Recruits are made aware that Pitt's stadium isn't on campus by rivals? That really undermines our strategy of chloroforming recruits during the drives between the campus, practice facility, and stadium.

Find someone to pay for a $750+ million project for a smaller, less amenity filled facility and I'm all for it. Or put the equivalent money into NIL deals and we'll win some national titles playing at Acrisure.
 
T&F needs an outdoor track as well. An indoor track is great, and long overdue, particularly since there is no indoor track facility in all of Western PA (unbelievable). It could actually make a lot of money because there is no other suitable facility in the area so it could be hosting quite a lot of meets and events. Hopefully the build it right and not cheap. But you aren't going to convince any recruits that the school takes the sport seriously without a serious Mondo surfaced outdoor facility as well.

Football's success has zero to do with being on campus or not.
Agree with all of this. I think XC/track can get by on just the indoor, provided they continue to have a good relationship with CMU to use their outdoor facility. It’d be ideal for Pitt to have both, but I don’t feel like there’s room for both back there, and I don’t know how much sense it makes to build them in totally different spots. But I think you can be baseline competitive with one, along with the potential revenue sources you mentioned.

I think if I had my way, in order of priority/speed, I’d go as follows:

1. Finish the performance center/arena (obviously)
2. Indoor track that’s proposed for the back side of the hill, where the sports dome is now and where Trees Field used to be. If you can fit a 400m track back there, too, do that at the same time.

Here’s where it gets a little more interesting.

3. I would tear down either the east half of Trees (which becomes redundant with the rec center and the arena project) or the Fitzgerald Field House (also redundant with the arena project). Whichever one is torn down, I would replace it with an athlete housing complex that includes a dining facility. This gets Pitt out of the Bridge on Forbes and into a facility that it controls, it’s adjacent to every sport’s practice facility other than football, as well as the academic support stuff in the Pete and the sports medicine/strength stuff in the new arena site, and puts housing and the training table under the same roof. The Field House site is probably better, because you can create a direct connection to the Pete/new arena. Which leads to to…

4. Expand the Petersen Events Center to build a dedicated practice facility for the men, and free up the existing practice court for the women. This expansion could also include new office space, locker rooms, and a dedicated weight room for the men, including a new entrance so recruits and visitors don’t have to enter through the loading bay. Those office spaces in the Pete right now could be repurposed into additional revenue suites.

Then, for football, these have their own timelines because aspects of this are outside of Pitt’s control.

5. Because I feel that the Steelers will likely pursue a renovation of Heinz Field, when that is being designed I would have Pitt invest a decent chunk to build its own “Pitt suite” in the renovated stadium. New locker room, new support facilities designed for Pitt (a sports medicine area for a college sized roster, rather than the smaller NFL rosters). But most importantly, spaces for hosting recruits and their families on game day. We get hit all the time by opposing schools for the game day atmosphere (though less so now than a few years ago), but one way to go about defeating that is to build out a really first-class space on game day for the team and recruits.

6. Because I also believe that the Steelers will likely pursue a plan to build a new practice facility outside of the south side complex, I would invest whatever is needed to build out Pitt’s south side presence to “take over” the whole south side facility, and use the vacated Steelers side to build out an expanded weight room, additional office space as the off-field staff continues to expand, and move more of the football-only academic support and life skills stuff that’s in the Pete over to the south side. Sharing the space with the Steelers is a big selling point right now, but if the Steelers decide to leave, the next best thing is to build out one of the best facilities in the ACC, and one that’s competitive with the Penn State’s, Michigan’s, Ohio State’s, etc. of college football.
 
Recruits are made aware that Pitt's stadium isn't on campus by rivals? That really undermines our strategy of chloroforming recruits during the drives between the campus, practice facility, and stadium.

Find someone to pay for a $750+ million project for a smaller, less amenity filled facility and I'm all for it. Or put the equivalent money into NIL deals and we'll win some national titles playing at Acrisure.
The finding of someone to pay for the stadium would be Heather Lyke's job. I'd start with UPMC first. The last time I checked they are valued at over 26 Billion dollars. They have "donated" money to RMU and Duquesne to help build their new athletic facilities, they could throw a couple of hundred million in the direction of the university that allows them to use their name. Get the rest from either local, state or federal sources, it cam be done. My God, Pitt has an endowment (the last time I checked into it was in 2022) of almost 6 Billion dollars. The university could kick in a couple of hundred million themselves.
 
The finding of someone to pay for the stadium would be Heather Lyke's job. I'd start with UPMC first. The last time I checked they are valued at over 26 Billion dollars. They have "donated" money to RMU and Duquesne to help build their new athletic facilities, they could throw a couple of hundred million in the direction of the university that allows them to use their name. Get the rest from either local, state or federal sources, it cam be done. My God, Pitt has an endowment (the last time I checked into it was in 2022) of almost 6 Billion dollars. The university could kick in a couple of hundred million themselves.
1) Yep, go raise $700m Heather. On top of $250 million for Victory Heights. Easy peasy.
2) No company is putting "a couple hundred million" into a stadium. UPMC already throws a couple hundred million a year at the university to support its health science schools. BTW, UPMC's sponsorship of RMU's facility was a deal that included it becoming the sports medicine provider and sole medical insurance provider for the university.
3) Endowments ≠ piggy banks
 
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Agree with all of this. I think XC/track can get by on just the indoor, provided they continue to have a good relationship with CMU to use their outdoor facility. It’d be ideal for Pitt to have both, but I don’t feel like there’s room for both back there, and I don’t know how much sense it makes to build them in totally different spots. But I think you can be baseline competitive with one, along with the potential revenue sources you mentioned.

I think if I had my way, in order of priority/speed, I’d go as follows:

1. Finish the performance center/arena (obviously)
2. Indoor track that’s proposed for the back side of the hill, where the sports dome is now and where Trees Field used to be. If you can fit a 400m track back there, too, do that at the same time.

Here’s where it gets a little more interesting.

3. I would tear down either the east half of Trees (which becomes redundant with the rec center and the arena project) or the Fitzgerald Field House (also redundant with the arena project). Whichever one is torn down, I would replace it with an athlete housing complex that includes a dining facility. This gets Pitt out of the Bridge on Forbes and into a facility that it controls, it’s adjacent to every sport’s practice facility other than football, as well as the academic support stuff in the Pete and the sports medicine/strength stuff in the new arena site, and puts housing and the training table under the same roof. The Field House site is probably better, because you can create a direct connection to the Pete/new arena. Which leads to to…

4. Expand the Petersen Events Center to build a dedicated practice facility for the men, and free up the existing practice court for the women. This expansion could also include new office space, locker rooms, and a dedicated weight room for the men, including a new entrance so recruits and visitors don’t have to enter through the loading bay. Those office spaces in the Pete right now could be repurposed into additional revenue suites.

Then, for football, these have their own timelines because aspects of this are outside of Pitt’s control.

5. Because I feel that the Steelers will likely pursue a renovation of Heinz Field, when that is being designed I would have Pitt invest a decent chunk to build its own “Pitt suite” in the renovated stadium. New locker room, new support facilities designed for Pitt (a sports medicine area for a college sized roster, rather than the smaller NFL rosters). But most importantly, spaces for hosting recruits and their families on game day. We get hit all the time by opposing schools for the game day atmosphere (though less so now than a few years ago), but one way to go about defeating that is to build out a really first-class space on game day for the team and recruits.

6. Because I also believe that the Steelers will likely pursue a plan to build a new practice facility outside of the south side complex, I would invest whatever is needed to build out Pitt’s south side presence to “take over” the whole south side facility, and use the vacated Steelers side to build out an expanded weight room, additional office space as the off-field staff continues to expand, and move more of the football-only academic support and life skills stuff that’s in the Pete over to the south side. Sharing the space with the Steelers is a big selling point right now, but if the Steelers decide to leave, the next best thing is to build out one of the best facilities in the ACC, and one that’s competitive with the Penn State’s, Michigan’s, Ohio State’s, etc. of college football.
As far as indoor and outdoor in different spots, lots of schools don't have their indoor track next to their outdoor track.

Tearing down Trees (not the pool area) has been discussed. Nothing decided.
Tearing down the Field House has also been discussed. Nothing decided.

The concrete plaza on the Sutherland Drive side of the Pete is a lot of dead space. I agree, that should be developed. Concessions at the Pete aren't great either (crammed along the main pedestrian corridors), nor is the club suite being so far away from club seats. But practice facilities will need upgraded.

I don't think Pitt not controlling the Bridge is really that much of an issue. Pitt's probably not going to build something that nice.

I doubt the Steelers leave the Rooney complex.
 
1) Yep, go raise $700m Heather. On top of $250 million for Victory Heights. Easy peasy.
2) No company is putting "a couple hundred million" into a stadium. UPMC already throws a couple hundred million a year at the university to support its health science schools. BTW, UPMC's sponsorship of RMU's facility was a deal that included it becoming the sports medicine provider and sole medical insurance provider for the university.
3) Endowments ≠ piggy banks
I don't really care why UPMC gave money to RMU and Duquesne and what they got out of it. The point is, they gave the money. How about the University of Pittsburgh stepping up and telling UPMC, we are planning on building a new on campus stadium. We want you to donate $500,000 (could be more or less, that was just a random number I chose) million dollars to help in its construction. By doing so, you we give you the naming rights to the stadium for the next 20 years and it will be called UPMC Field. If you don't want to do this, then we will take you to court and sue you to get the "UP" removed from the name of your business. UPMC can go from the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center to just "Medical Center".
 
I don't really care why UPMC gave money to RMU and Duquesne and what they got out of it. The point is, they gave the money. How about the University of Pittsburgh stepping up and telling UPMC, we are planning on building a new on campus stadium. We want you to donate $500,000 (could be more or less, that was just a random number I chose) million dollars to help in its construction. By doing so, you we give you the naming rights to the stadium for the next 20 years and it will be called UPMC Field. If you don't want to do this, then we will take you to court and sue you to get the "UP" removed from the name of your business. UPMC can go from the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center to just "Medical Center".
I'm sorry, are you actually serious? Hard to tell.
 
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