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Don't have the links handy but....

Sounds like Davis is transferring - saw a cpl guys mention it on Twitter. His locker has been cleaned out.

Regarding Voytik - Narduzzi said they'd still love to have him around but said sometimes you have to do what's best for the kid so they've talked about a grad transfer. Nothing final but a possibility.
 
I hope they have a lot of confidence in Bertke because MacVittie will be a true frosh meaning we are one play away from hanging our season over to Bertke. Not saying anything bad about him, just that I hope they feel like they can rely on him if needed.
 
For selfish reasons I hope Chad stays so that Pitt maintains experienced depth at QB. But I'll still be rooting for Chad if he leaves for a place where he can step in and start-- although I doubt that will be an easy thing to do...

Go PItt.
 
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I hope they have a lot of confidence in Bertke because MacVittie will be a true frosh meaning we are one play away from hanging our season over to Bertke. Not saying anything bad about him, just that I hope they feel like they can rely on him if needed.
We're thin at QB already and nobody can say whether Bertke, DiNucci or MacVittie will pan out or not. They were all lightly recruited players. I genuinely hope we are emphasizing QB recruiting, but if so its hasn't been apparent so far. QB quality and depth have been an Achilles heel at Pitt since Rutherford and Palko. Think about it-4 different starters in 4 years since Chryst took over: Tino, Savage, Voytik and Peterman. The current starter was 3rd string at Tennessee this time last year. He's done a decent job here but he is a two year band aid who wasn't supposed to start this year. For the program to get where we all want it to, we need to develop a 3 year starter at QB who can go out and win games for us, not just manage them.
 
Being selfish, I hope Chad stays so that Pitt maintains experienced depth at QB. But I'll still be rooting for Chad if he leaves for a place where he can step in and start-- although I doubt that will be an easy thing to do...

Go PItt.
I think he needs to be looking at a true spread offense at a slightly lesser level of program.

The truth is he should've bailed when Chryst was hired. He was never suited for a pro style offense and was recruited specifically to run Graham's spread. I think he could've been a very good QB for the right program.
 
To be honest, Davis being recruited to Pitt was big indicator to me Chryst was in trouble. When he was hired, he said that we wouldn't be taking guys who were sketchy academically unless they were superstar caliber. Davis was a borderline recruit with shaky academics so it was clear we were having issues getting talent.
 
Seems early for a guy like Davis to bail since he was just a redshirt freshman this season, but best of luck to him. If the staff wants to get to a class of 20 then these type of transfers will have to happen.
 
We're thin at QB already and nobody can say whether Bertke, DiNucci or MacVittie will pan out or not. They were all lightly recruited players. I genuinely hope we are emphasizing QB recruiting, but if so its hasn't been apparent so far. QB quality and depth have been an Achilles heel at Pitt since Rutherford and Palko. Think about it-4 different starters in 4 years since Chryst took over: Tino, Savage, Voytik and Peterman. The current starter was 3rd string at Tennessee this time last year. He's done a decent job here but he is a two year band aid who wasn't supposed to start this year. For the program to get where we all want it to, we need to develop a 3 year starter at QB who can go out and win games for us, not just manage them.

The recent historical perspective at QB is correct, but I disagree about the emphasis on QB recruiting with Nards and for all those who want to hack on Chaney, he has been a god send so far in that regard.

His relationship and luck allowed them to retroactively reset the QB depth chart/class distribution in getting Peterman. Yes, he is not an elite QB, but they likely do not win 8 games going into a bowl this year with Chad in this offense/loss of Conner, etc. And, that he had two years was vital. Not often you have a QB who you can plug in and win 8 games with a decent, but not overwhelming amount of talent around him.

Agree, Bertke and DiNunncio were fringy recruits. But, they both have tools to work with. Good height and both can move a bit. Bertke has plus arm strength while DiNunncio can just sling it. Absolutely, they are unknowns, but frankly, all of these guys are unknowns regardless of how widely recruited they are. They do fit into what Chaney does and that accounts for something.

SO, they will have a senior starter next year, a redshirt sophomore and redshirt freshman with MacVittie redshirting - all three with the right size and arms who can run a bit. With MacVittie redshirting.

MacVittie, again, a pretty lucky development given that Nards took over and all of the top kids were either committed or so far into the recruiting process they had no shot at them.

But, they got a kid with plus, plus tools, at a big time program who ended up having a super senior season starting for the first time. They get credit for identifying him and getting on him, and again, in great part because of chaney the kid shut down his recruitment - they did get major programs coming to them this fall and they just said they were done and committed to Pitt.

Chris posted a list of over 12 QBs across the country for 2017 that they had contact with or where actively scouting several months ago. They were the first program to offer Jurkovich, and they also have one other offer to another kid that they (Chaney as the lead) are actively recruiting that has the similar profile, taller, can run and has been a productive passer to this point in his career - these two appear to be their top targets for 2017.

Frankly, they have been lucky to reboot the position as much as they have, it isn't often that you get a chance to hop into a time machine like the did with Peterson, and even more frankly, their making a business decision to go with him over Chad highlights how important they view the QB position to be.

Meanwhile, again, absolutely agree that you ideally want a three year starter to build to a big senior year with him - that is what they are trying to do with getting MacVittie and going after Jurkovich ...
 
Maybe CV and NP had similar numbers, but saying both are equivalent in quality is a nonstarter. NP can make a lot more throws than CV - more accuracy, stronger arm, less panicky demeanor and was better able to spread the ball around to different receivers. More specific to spreading the ball around, it means NP was more comfortable with reading progressions than CV. Add in that NP had less of a running game to work with than CV did last year along with a receiver in Tyler Boyd who was kinda running under the radar vs this year when everyone keyed on him... The jury ruled in favor of NP by a significant margin.
 
Speculation, but from what I've seen since my original post it sounds like he's not gonna have much chance to crack the depth chart so he's moving on.
Weird since he was supposedly impressive in the spring, the coaches were even cod dieting using him as pass rush specialist. I'm sure Caprara beating him out had a lot to do with entries
The recent historical perspective at QB is correct, but I disagree about the emphasis on QB recruiting with Nards and for all those who want to hack on Chaney, he has been a god send so far in that regard.

His relationship and luck allowed them to retroactively reset the QB depth chart/class distribution in getting Peterman. Yes, he is not an elite QB, but they likely do not win 8 games going into a bowl this year with Chad in this offense/loss of Conner, etc. And, that he had two years was vital. Not often you have a QB who you can plug in and win 8 games with a decent, but not overwhelming amount of talent around him.

Agree, Bertke and DiNunncio were fringy recruits. But, they both have tools to work with. Good height and both can move a bit. Bertke has plus arm strength while DiNunncio can just sling it. Absolutely, they are unknowns, but frankly, all of these guys are unknowns regardless of how widely recruited they are. They do fit into what Chaney does and that accounts for something.

SO, they will have a senior starter next year, a redshirt sophomore and redshirt freshman with MacVittie redshirting - all three with the right size and arms who can run a bit. With MacVittie redshirting.

MacVittie, again, a pretty lucky development given that Nards took over and all of the top kids were either committed or so far into the recruiting process they had no shot at them.

But, they got a kid with plus, plus tools, at a big time program who ended up having a super senior season starting for the first time. They get credit for identifying him and getting on him, and again, in great part because of chaney the kid shut down his recruitment - they did get major programs coming to them this fall and they just said they were done and committed to Pitt.

Chris posted a list of over 12 QBs across the country for 2017 that they had contact with or where actively scouting several months ago. They were the first program to offer Jurkovich, and they also have one other offer to another kid that they (Chaney as the lead) are actively recruiting that has the similar profile, taller, can run and has been a productive passer to this point in his career - these two appear to be their top targets for 2017.

Frankly, they have been lucky to reboot the position as much as they have, it isn't often that you get a chance to hop into a time machine like the did with Peterson, and even more frankly, their making a business decision to go with him over Chad highlights how important they view the QB position to be.

Meanwhile, again, absolutely agree that you ideally want a three year starter to build to a big senior year with him - that is what they are trying to do with getting MacVittie and going after Jurkovich ...
I don't disagree with any of that Jeff...I guess not being a member of the premium board I don't; have the scoop on the QBs the staff is pursuing. You rarely see QB visit or recruiting stories on the Lair home page. Looking at the rivals database it doesn't look like we're all that actively involved with a lot of QBs. My only thought is, when you're trying to establish or rebuild a program in your own mold, it's ideal to have a bunch of QBs competing. That's how guys like Harbaugh and Kelly do it, and it has proven to be a successful way to find your guy. The cream rises in workouts and practice, and many times its a guy who didn't have the best offer sheet of the other QBs on your roster, like a Connor Cook. No question Bertke, DiNucci or MacVittie could end up being that special player, but there's an equal or greater statistical probability that they won;t be. In the meantime, I say keep 'em coming in in and let them compete for it. It's by far the most important position on the team, and if you have that difference maker there with a solid line and skill position guys, you can make some real noise.

As for Chaney as a recruiter, I'll take a wait and see approach. Right now, MacVittie is his only QB verbal to date, I'd like to see another QB in this class, maybe a dual threat type. I was hoping we'd pursue VT commit Josh Jackson from Saline, Michigan. I've seen the kid play a few times, he's a stud, leader, flat out winner, smart kid, son of former Michigan assistant Fred Jackson. Very polished with his footwork and ballhandling, grew up around the Michigan practice facility. I was surprised he chose VT. Unfortunately he looks pretty solid at VT now with the Fuente hire. My prediction is we'll hearing a lot about him in the Coastal Division in a couple of years.
 
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Maybe CV and NP had similar numbers, but saying both are equivalent in quality is a nonstarter. NP can make a lot more throws than CV - more accuracy, stronger arm, less panicky demeanor and was better able to spread the ball around to different receivers. More specific to spreading the ball around, it means NP was more comfortable with reading progressions than CV. Add in that NP had less of a running game to work with than CV did last year along with a receiver in Tyler Boyd who was kinda running under the radar vs this year when everyone keyed on him... The jury ruled in favor of NP by a significant margin.
Peterman is a better fit in a pro-style system than Voytik, no question. The coaches know what they;re doing, they started the guy who gave us the best chance to win. That said, Nate was no great shakes at checking down off his primary receiver, one of the primary criticisms of him all year was that he would lock onto his #1 read. Peterman probably throws a better ball than Voytik and he is definitely more accurate, but he has an average arm. Struggled with throwing the deep ball all year, I'm not sure i can recall him hitting a real deep one all season and we didn't try many. All that said, Peterman was obviously the better of the 2 QBs in practice, or Voytik would have been the starter. Nate is a capable QB and a decent game manager, but he will not go out and win a game for you by making individual plays the way the top QBs do--Baker Mayfield, Connor Cook, etc. If we can find one of those kinds of guys and get him onto the field early, we will be in business.

Lastly, Boyd wasn't under anybody's radar last year, he had been a freshman all-American and he was targeted like 60% of the time last season.
 
True, but you can't discount that Chad had Connor in the backfield and the O revolved around his running.

And, I like Chaney and believe in his offense, but PC's was better, imo.

Simple, smash the run and pass when they defense leaks the eighth man in, and if you throw it no dinking and dunking, throw it downfield.

Chad had a lot more throws downfield to guys who were really open.

Chaney's offense, a lot more throws that a QB has to hit on, more accuracy and zip needed.
 
I'm not saying he'll be ready to contribute next year (or ever for that matter) but I'm told there are a lot of things about DeNucci this staff really likes. He's raw and needs work but they feel he has some potential.
 
I hope they have a lot of confidence in Bertke because MacVittie will be a true frosh meaning we are one play away from hanging our season over to Bertke.
I think if Bertke had to play, DiNucci would eventually get a shot and seize the role. I think in 2017 he will start and be a great one.
 
Just an observation. While watching warmups before the Pitt-ND game, I was really impressed with the velocity the ND QBs put on the ball. And it wasn't just their starter, all of their QBs threw bullets.

There was a noticeable difference in the speed and time-in-the-air between the passes their QBs threw versus the passes our QBs were throwing. What struck me is that they had their starting QB out for the season, and the rest of their guys still had cannon arms.

Go Pitt.
 
Best wishes to CV. Great student, good teammate by all accounts. I hope he gets a chance to play next year if he transfers.
 
Steinbeck getting reps over Davis pretty much sealed the deal, you'd guess anyways. When a walk on is playing in front of you, well time to start looking around..
 
Pat Amara gone. Wish he would have worked out in a better role, despite Whitehead's presence.
 
Pat Amara gone. Wish he would have worked out in a better role, despite Whitehead's presence.
Amara struggled big time this year. He's young yet but this is not a huge loss to the secondary. Good kid, wish him the best. I'm sure he'll go to a mid-major.
 
To be honest, Davis being recruited to Pitt was big indicator to me Chryst was in trouble. When he was hired, he said that we wouldn't be taking guys who were sketchy academically unless they were superstar caliber. Davis was a borderline recruit with shaky academics so it was clear we were having issues getting talent.

Davis was in no way shape or form borderline. Shaky academics? yes.
 
I hope they have a lot of confidence in Bertke because MacVittie will be a true frosh meaning we are one play away from hanging our season over to Bertke. Not saying anything bad about him, just that I hope they feel like they can rely on him if needed.
Di Nucci. Think you forgot about him. Everyone in college is untested until...well, they are tested.
 
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