Chris Clark is eligible. Will he play in the Pinstripe?

[Sean Miller Fan]

He sat out his required 2 semesters (last Spring, this fall) meaning he can finish his freshman season (the one he started at UCLA last fall) in the Pinstripe.

I know he was injured but not sure how severe it was. Matt Canada may not sleep if he plays, spending all his times diagramming ways of getting him the ball.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

I doubt RS Frosh, Clark, at this point in time (5 star recruit or not), is any better an offensive threat as a TE than Senior Scott Orndoff.

 

[Tony Zimmermans Dennys Adversary]

The Big O and Peterman have timing and chemistry. Save Clark for next year, lets be real.

 

[ClarkLotTgate]

I dont think hes eligible anyways

 

[asudmr]

I dont think hes eligible anyways

He absolutely is, as the OP said he is required to sit out 2 semesters which he has. Playing him in the bowl game does nothing to harm him eligibility wise. Obviously Pitt's main objective is to win this game but if Clark can help you win then 1000% play him.

 

[SteelCityChamps]

Wait til next year so he's a RS sophomore and not a junior. May still be injured anyway.

 

[PhPanther1]

Why not play him if eligible?
He's been practicing all year right? It's not like he's been sitting on a couch relaxing.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Wait til next year so he's a RS sophomore and not a junior. May still be injured anyway.

This game does nothing to affect his eligibility.

He is a RS Soph next year whether he plays against Northwestern or not.

Dontez Ford played in the Detroit Bowl in a similar situation.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

He sat out his required 2 semesters (last Spring, this fall) meaning he can finish his freshman season (the one he started at UCLA last fall) in the Pinstripe.

I know he was injured but not sure how severe it was. Matt Canada may not sleep if he plays, spending all his times diagramming ways of getting him the ball.

Can he play corner...

 

[SteelCityChamps]

This game does nothing to affect his eligibility.

He is a RS Soph next year whether he plays against Northwestern or not.

Dontez Ford played in the Detroit Bowl in a similar situation.

Not true.

Ford redshirted at Syracuse. Then he had to sit out a year so it was lost regardless. Can't redshirt twice.

He sat out a spring and fall semester and then could play in the bowl game since it was the next spring semester.

Clark played in one game at UCLA. The rest of that season was lost. Then had to sit out this year which will count as a redshirt. If he doesn't play he will be a RS sophomore next year.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not true.

Ford redshirted at Syracuse. Then he had to sit out a year so it was lost regardless. Can't redshirt twice.

He sat out a spring and fall semester and then could play in the bowl game since it was the next spring semester.

Clark played in one game at UCLA. The rest of that season was lost. Then had to sit out this year which will count as a redshirt. If he doesn't play he will be a RS sophomore next year.

Wrong.

Think Khem Birch.

He played in a few games as a frosh at Pitt (Clark played in 1 at UCLA). Birch enrolled at UNLV for the 2nd semester and sat out the Spring and following fall, becoming eligible after the Fall Semester ended as a RS FR.

Clark enrolled at Pitt, sat out last Spring (ie Military Bowl) and this fall. As soon as Pitt's Finals Week is over he becomes eligible as a RS FR. He will be a RS SO next year no matter what.

Ford's situation is similar except he didnt play in any games at Syracuse. He enrolled at Pitt in the Spring and sat out that Spring (Birmingham Bowl) and the following Fall, gaining eligibility as a RS FR in the Detroit game.

 

[SteelCityChamps]

Wrong.

Think Khem Birch.

He played in a few games as a frosh at Pitt (Clark played in 1 at UCLA). Birch enrolled at UNLV for the 2nd semester and sat out the Spring and following fall, becoming eligible after the Fall Semester ended as a RS FR.

Clark enrolled at Pitt, sat out last Spring (ie Military Bowl) and this fall. As soon as Pitt's Finals Week is over he becomes eligible as a RS FR. He will be a RS SO next year no matter what.

Ford's situation is similar except he didnt play in any games at Syracuse. He enrolled at Pitt in the Spring and sat out that Spring (Birmingham Bowl) and the following Fall, gaining eligibility as a RS FR in the Detroit game.

Wrong again.

If you play in any game during any part of the season it counts as one of your four seasons of eligibility.

Birch never had a redshirt year. Here is his bio, stating how he was a junior before declaring. He didn't care about the redshirt because he knew he wasn't staying five years anyway.

Ford was at Syracuse in fall 2012 and didn't play. He enrolled at Pitt in January 2013. He was eligible for the January 2014 (December 2013) bowl game. It didn't matter if he played since he already had his redshirt count in 2012. Regardless of if he played in the bowl game the 2016 season would still be his final year of eligibility.

Clark played in one game in 2015. That counted as his freshman year. (This is the difference between Ford and Clark, Clark played in a game)

He then transferred to Pitt in January and sat out the 2016 season. 2016 is his sophomore season, but if he does not play it is his RS freshman season.

Bottom line, if Clark plays in the bowl game he's a junior next year. If he doesn't he's a RS sophomore.

 

[asudmr]

Damn this is confusing but I think you are right and I stand corrected. Clark is eligible to play as he has fulfilled the 2 semesters for transferring. However if it is this year that he's actually red shirting and preserving a year of eligibility, due to playing in a game at UCLA, then I would agree that playing in a game would burn that year. It wouldn't be any different then MacVittie playing, right?

 

[SteelCityChamps]

Damn this is confusing but I think you are right and I stand corrected. Clark is eligible to play as he has fulfilled the 2 semesters for transferring. However if it is this year that he's actually red shirting and preserving a year of eligibility, due to playing in a game at UCLA, then I would agree that playing in a game would burn that year. It wouldn't be any different then MacVittie playing, right?

This brings up the distinction between being eligible to play and preserving a redshirt.

Clark could play and I've never said he couldn't. If he plays he does not preserve his redshirt. Just like Birch lost his by playing 2nd semester at UNLV.

I doubt the Pitt coaches will play Clark and waste a year.

The point mentioned above by Sean Miller Fan, "he will be a RS SO next year no matter what" is not true.
If Clark plays he will be a junior next year.

Like you say same with MacVittie. He is eligible to play, but is preserving a redshirt.

 

[ThePanthers]

If Clark burned his redshirt at UCLA, then this would be his redshirt year. I wouldn't play him regardless IMO.

 

[Pittx9]

Hmm that is confusing. I wouldn't think that would be anything like MacVittie playing. He obviously isn't. I was thinking Clark wouldn't lose a year if he plays, but if he does this isn't even a question. He's not playing.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Listen to me.

Khem Birch played, I dont know 8 games as a true freshman during the fall semester. He enrolled at UNLV for the spring, sat out the Spring, sat out the next fall. The next Spring, he became eligible as a RS FR at UNLV.

Chris Clark is in the exact same situation. He played in 1 game at UCLA and enrolled at Pitt in the Spring. He sat out the 2 semesters and becomes eligible after Finals.

He started as a true FR at UCLA during the Fall 2015 season and can finish his freshman year at Pitt during the Spring 2017 semester just as Khem Birch did.

 

[SteelCityChamps]

Listen to me.

Khem Birch played, I dont know 8 games as a true freshman during the fall semester. He enrolled at UNLV for the spring, sat out the Spring, sat out the next fall. The next Spring, he became eligible as a RS FR at UNLV.

Chris Clark is in the exact same situation. He played in 1 game at UCLA and enrolled at Pitt in the Spring. He sat out the 2 semesters and becomes eligible after Finals.

He started as a true FR at UCLA during the Fall 2015 season and can finish his freshman year at Pitt during the Spring 2017 semester just as Khem Birch did.

This isn't true. I linked the bio of Birch. He was a true junior when he declared. He never had a redshirt year. His freshman year was the few games at Pitt 2011-2012, basically 2011. His sophomore year was spring semester at UNLV 2013. His junior was that final year 2013-2014. Since he played during a part of each year, all three years counted.

Same situation with Clark. Pitt won't play him and waste a year. He may be injured anyway.

The only reason the Dontez Ford situation was different was because he didn't play that first semester at Syracuse. His redshirt was used then, meaning Pitt could play him in the bowl game the next year at no risk. Ford wasn't getting that second year back even if he didn't play.

Clark can get this year back. He played in 2015. Only one game at UCLA, but the NCAA is like that and counts it as a year. If he doesn't play for the FULL YEAR in 2016, he can come back as a RS sophomore next year.

 

[goalieman]

This isn't true. I linked the bio of Birch. He was a true junior when he declared. He never had a redshirt year. His freshman year was the few games at Pitt 2011-2012, basically 2011. His sophomore year was spring semester at UNLV 2013. His junior was that final year 2013-2014. Since he played during a part of each year, all three years counted.

Same situation with Clark. Pitt won't play him and waste a year. He may be injured anyway.

The only reason the Dontez Ford situation was different was because he didn't play that first semester at Syracuse. His redshirt was used then, meaning Pitt could play him in the bowl game the next year at no risk. Ford wasn't getting that second year back even if he didn't play.

Clark can get this year back. He played in 2015. Only one game at UCLA, but the NCAA is like that and counts it as a year. If he doesn't play for the FULL YEAR in 2016, he can come back as a RS sophomore next year.

CORRECT ...... you have explained the Khem Birch and Chris Clark situations correctly in this thread ...... if Chris Clark plays in the bowl game he loses a year of eligibility and would be a junior next year ...... if he sits out the bowl game, he will be a RSSoph next season.

You also correctly described the D. Ford situation.

 

[wbrpanther]

Hey

CORRECT ...... you have explained the Khem Birch and Chris Clark situations correctly in this thread ...... if Chris Clark plays in the bowl game he loses a year of eligibility and would be a junior next year ...... if he sits out the bowl game, he will be a RSSoph next season.

You also correctly described the D. Ford situation.

Hey guys, I got a great idea. Let's let someone find out the official ruling on this instead of arguing back and forth.

If he is eligible and healthy and it doesn't affect his class status there would be no reason not to play him some. Not to replace Orndoff but to compliment him. If he is not healthy or playing him would burn a year then it is a no brainer not to play him.

 

[goalieman]

Hey

Hey guys, I got a great idea. Let's let someone find out the official ruling on this instead of arguing back and forth.

If he is eligible and healthy and it doesn't affect his class status there would be no reason not to play him some. Not to replace Orndoff but to compliment him. If he is not healthy or playing him would burn a year then it is a no brainer not to play him.

What makes you think we don't know the rule ?

Below is an article where your favorite Coach (James Franklin) ...... LOL ! ...... in 12/14 was lobbying for a new rule where players redshirting could play in bowl games without losing their redshirt ...... no new legislation to date to my knowledge or in the NCAA Manual has changed the rule that playing in a bowl game negates your redshirt.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...case-for-eligibility-free-bowl-games,1462163/

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

At least you guys are talking about who might play and not who won't make the bowl trip for who knows what reason like some other years. Guess its still early though.

 

[Jpripper88]

Listen to me.

Khem Birch played, I dont know 8 games as a true freshman during the fall semester. He enrolled at UNLV for the spring, sat out the Spring, sat out the next fall. The next Spring, he became eligible as a RS FR at UNLV.

Chris Clark is in the exact same situation. He played in 1 game at UCLA and enrolled at Pitt in the Spring. He sat out the 2 semesters and becomes eligible after Finals.

He started as a true FR at UCLA during the Fall 2015 season and can finish his freshman year at Pitt during the Spring 2017 semester just as Khem Birch did.

You are wrong.

If he plays in the bowl, he would enter the 2017 season with only 2 years of eligibility remaining. He can play, but he would be a JR in 2017 and not a RS SO.

Hey guys, I got a great idea. Let's let someone find out the official ruling on this instead of arguing back and forth.

If he is eligible and healthy and it doesn't affect his class status there would be no reason not to play him some. Not to replace Orndoff but to compliment him. If he is not healthy or playing him would burn a year then it is a no brainer not to play him.

We already know the answer. SMF is wrong.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Khem Birch played, I dont know 8 games as a true freshman during the fall semester. He enrolled at UNLV for the spring, sat out the Spring, sat out the next fall. The next Spring, he became eligible as a RS FR at UNLV.

If you look at the UNLV archived rosters on their web site the call Birch a sophomore in 12-13 and a junior in 13-14. They do not list him with the tag of "RS" like they do for all their other players who redshirted. So UNLV disagrees with you.