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This program has no foundation. It’s a house built out of cards.
Santos - Only Fr. in the 2021 Class
This program has no foundation. It’s a house built out of cards.
There really is no excuse for this. Even if the plan is to hit the grad market hard, it makes no sense not to try and build a young foundation — or at the very least try to hit on another Champagnie or Hugley.
Capel has 1 year left. It really doesn't make a ton of sense for him to bring in guys who wont help the team win games in 2022-23. The fewer HS players he has signed, the more attractive Pitt is to transfers since they won't have to compete with "Capel's guys" for playing time.
Portal Recruit: "So Coach how do I fit in............"
HCJC: "You are IT, you will be The Man, you are gonna carry the load, we have nobody else, you going to the ACC to shoot, shoot , shoot.
Recruit: Who is the point guard?
HCJC: Well, it all depends, you can do it if need be, the more you can do the better prospects at the next level, plus there are plenty of good PG's floating in the portal.
Recruit: Who is going help out at the 4-5?
HCJC: Are you kidding? With your length and the guys we already have, no need to worry about our inside game, there are only so many rebounds to go around, plus there are tons of 4's hanging around in the portal.
Recruit: "Wow, I have talked to a dozen Coaches, they all had me penciled as one specific place, like the last piece needed to get over the hump, glad to see you recognize my whole game, were do I sign
HCJC: "Well since we are in Timbucktu (or wherever) you can sign right here."
I know it’s over but I’d be having a Mercedes Benz dealership take on a NIL deal for Mintz and make a final press on him!!
So the future of the program is basically going to look a lot like this year... minus Hugley. Impressive. You have to wonder if we'll be able to piece together a solid ORTG.
I mean, I can get behind the whole undertalented but fighting hard narrative for this year. But that has to come with signs for a better future. We can't just be the bucket list school for mid-major guys who have always wondered what playing in a power conference is like.
I mean, I can get behind the whole undertalented but fighting hard narrative for this year. But that has to come with signs for a better future. We can't just be the bucket list school for mid-major guys who have always wondered what playing in a power conference is like.
Yeah maybe so, but you can’t have 10 transfers a year. I mean, there are 365 days in the year and 4 full-time coaches. They couldn’t have landed a single HS player?
I’m not against signing talented HS players , but for whatever reason going all the way back to JDs last few yrs signing the guys you targeted as priorities just hasn’t been very successful for Pitt . They’re constantly in the top 5 of these kids , but lose out to what us Pitt fans seem to be lessor programs .
With the ease of transferring bringing in kids who need developing doesn’t seem like a good strategy. Why develop someone so they can transfer out why not look for transfers that someone else develops!
Its just going to be tough for Pitt to sign impactful freshman until they become more relevant.
Mo and Burton vs Jeffress and Collier ….no contest .
My counterpoint to that would be that Capel actually signed a number of players who were immediate contributors as freshmen…
X
McGowens
Toney
Champagnie
Hugley (obviously he didn’t really get much of a freshman year)
They landed most of these guys without huge recruiting battles.
Sorry, but this strategy of punting on HS talent is a great way to remain stuck in the mud and never develop a culture.
I mean Ralph Willard was a dead man walking his last season and he still managed to get Brandin Knight to commit.
His lack of recruits for last year and so far this year alone should be a fireable offense. Ridiculous.
What happens if Hugley leaves? I just feel he leaves after this year if for no other reason to go to Europe and start making money. I do not watch the NBA close enough to know if he can make it there, but a guy his size should be at least able to make a roster.
I know Capel brought in Burton and Gueye but going the transfer route is too risky for me.
I know Capel brought in Burton and Gueye but going the transfer route is too risky for me.
This doesn’t make sense. The hope with bringing him back is he turns it around and can win moving forward….
If you’re sure he has 1 more year left, fire him now.
Otherwise we’re just going to be a mediocre team next year and then right back to the cellar without any strong HS player foundation.
Those who say the foundation of a good team is the high school players are 100% correct. That has to be the emphasis and focus, not transfers. Transfers should just be used to fill holes, and not many of them.
Capel's downfall is his total lack of recruiting these top high school kids, or any high school players. If he does get a top talent to commit, the kid abruptly changes his mind and de-commits. There's a reason for that, but Capel can't look in the mirror and see it.
Capel's downfall is his total lack of recruiting these top high school kids, or any high school players. If he does get a top talent to commit, the kid abruptly changes his mind and de-commits. There's a reason for that, but Capel can't look in the mirror and see it.
Well, in terms of improving the program immediately the portal seems to be a good option. But the larger problem is that if one cannot impress/attract H.S. players to an ACC school on a consistent basis, how will you do with portal players that have the entire process already figured out. This scenario sets the ceiling at Burton and Mo type players, IMHO.
Wasn’t this the year Capel was focusing on? Were we not told to “expect” a big high school haul?
What happened?
@Vader_Storm please explain. We aren’t recruiting anyone in 2022
I agree with your opinion, problem is I don't think Capel does. About a week or so ago I heard him on the pre-game show pretty much say rosters were going to change year by year from here on. I really think he is going to emphasize the transfer portal (if he stays) until he can turn the program around. Maybe he doesn't want to deal with all the handlers of high school kids anymore?
It was a failure, no doubt. But at this point, there's nobody left that can help Pitt make the NCAA Tournament next year so why sign a kid ranked 243?
Capel probably feels he will return about 8 players and then you add 4 transfers and there you go.
If Hugley leaves, you have to fire Capel. Only because there would be no point in going through the motions of another hopeless season, which he would certainly be fired after. We would suck next year so you might as well start the rebuild with whoever coach wins the CAA Tournament.
He is not good enough to make an NBA roster at this point. NBA rosters have some of the greatest athletes in the world and there are guys his size, albeit not as heavy as him, playing the 3 and 4.
1 year left to make the NCAAT is what I meant. Its NCAAT or really close to it or he's gone. I said many times that if he returns the key players, there is a shot they can make it and its stupid to give up that shot and pay a buyout so we can go 3-17 in a total rebuild with a mid-major lottery ticket and 10 transfers.
50% of all HS recruits will transfer eventually. I don't think you can rely on HS players anymore. You have to build your team through the transfer market because you can get a better guage of their talent and they cant transfer again for free until they graduate.
Don't believe everything you hear. Especially from snake oil salesmen.
We are 7 and 11 going on our 4th straight losing season. We aren’t good. What is the plan for when we lose the few good players that we do have? Replace them with transfers that are equal, and then continue with another losing season. There is no real plan in place. Capel just wants to tread water and keep collecting his paycheck, and then his coaching buddies on the staff can make out as well.
To get a new coach. Capel must return Hugley plus enough of the guards to get next year.
The issue isn’t that he’s not trying to get HS kids , they’re just opting for other programs. Signing a high schooler whose a major project makes no sense right now he needs immediate help next season . The masses are getting impatient.
Landing X , Trey and Toney was when there was a lot of optimism in a new coach coming in from Duke , unfortunately we now have 4 yrs of underperformance to go on .
Think how different this whole conversation is if Mintz honored his verbal.
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