Clery Act Verdict - Influence on Playoff Seatings

[PITTsburghFAN]

Is it possible that the most egregious violations in history, and the stunning penalty sent down from the highest education oversite committee in the Federal Government, will come into play when the CFP committee considers it choices?

Is it possible the NCAA instructs the committee to factor recent and significant program developments when making decisions?

Is it possible, even, that the NCAA looks into additional sanctions in light of the Federal government's strong condemnations of Penn State's criminal, renegade and wholly unrepentant behavior?

Thoughts welcome

 

[damase2331]

No.

 

[PITTsburghFAN]

No.

Thanks for all the insight.

 

[Ski11585]

No.

 

[damase2331]

IMO, that school should not have had a fb team for 3 years, but with that said, you can't punish this GROUP for the sins of the atrocious past.

You allowed them to lose sanctions 2 years early, you examine them as any other team now, even though I will never look at PSU and alot of their fans the same way.

Thanks for all the insight.

 

[PITTsburghFAN]

IMO, that school should not have had a fb team for 3 years, but with that said, you can't punish this GROUP for the sins of the atrocious past.

You allowed them to lose sanctions 2 years early, you examine them as any other team now, even though I will never look at PSU and alot of their fans the same way.

Thank you for a reasoned response. That noted, ALL sanctions are imposed for crimes in the past. If PSU earned accelerated reinstatement for good work in light of the changes that were demanded by the NCAA, then credit to them. But Clery findings were NEW information.

I'm still not certain that these highly-damning condemnations won't be factored-in. Agree that additional NCAA actions are probably less likely.

One might hope that the Big-Fat Conference would impose some kind of penalties... but they're all about the money. Those Clery sanctions were probably highly concerning to the true educators in a confederation of universities that supposedly take academics very seriously

 

[Pittx9]

I don't see how they make it without a few more teams losing first. The cleary act? No, there's just still about 8 teams that could or should get in before. Needles to say though, I think this might end up being the most controversial playoff selection yet.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Is it possible that the most egregious violations in history, and the stunning penalty sent down from the highest education oversite committee in the Federal Government, will come into play when the CFP committee considers it choices?

Is it possible the NCAA instructs the committee to factor recent and significant program developments when making decisions?

Is it possible, even, that the NCAA looks into additional sanctions in light of the Federal government's strong condemnations of Penn State's criminal, renegade and wholly unrepentant behavior?

Thoughts welcome

Penn State is in full compliance as the NCAA Monitor oversaw the Penn State 2012 Reforms. Although Sanctions were still in place they were reduced by 2 years, and this the year they were totally free of all effects although still on Probation that is usual 5 years after sanctions.

Therefore, is nothing to even hint towards Penn State on Clery Act Violations, those $2.4 Million Fines were for the 1998 to 2011 Penn State University Athletic Era and delayed because there was over 1200 Pages of them. Even that amount is subject to negotiations! The Department of Education is very happy Penn State reforms are now a Model for many Universities to follow.

In fact, they cited even Joe Paterno being an obstacle and undermining Educational Compliance's, Athletic Discipline with No AIA Code of Conduct, and obstructing University Compliance's that caused the Fines, but the ultimate responsibility was always Penn State University!

Penn State Alumni and Fans now must thank Trustees, President Erickson, AD Dr. Joyner, Director of Ethics & Compliance and Athletic Integrity Agreement Officer for finding and choosing James Franklin and all Coaches not just Franklin are now under all Penn State 2012 Reforms. The Penn State Cultists now have to accept they were wrong about the prior Administration that reformed and fixed Penn State Violations that happen under the Paterno Era.

Franklin having Penn State in the Top Ten and NCS Playoff Ratings now has them happy again in Happy Valley, and owe a big apology to those that selected him. However, Penn State University is in full compliance's and no Clery Act Fines from 1998-2011 won't apply in the least in CFB Playoffs Selections.

It is also time for other University Football fans come to grasp that Penn State has done a remarkable job in correcting their corruption and accepting they are now a Model of Complianace under all Laws, Rules, and Regulations and entire Program has been rebuilt under those Compliance's. Baylor University will now face such changes as well, but the goal has always been to fix what went wrong and Penn State did it!

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

no one cares. Even reasonable national writers are on PSU's side and against the NCAA. They all feel PSU was so crippled by the sanctions. All they care about are wins and losses

It what it is. They are too big to fail. Like Jerry Tarkanian once said....the NCAA is really mad at Kentucky, so Eastern Michigan is going to get 2 years probation.

 

[TD_6082]

no one cares. Even reasonable national writers are on PSU's side and against the NCAA. They all feel PSU was so crippled by the sanctions. All they care about are wins and losses

It what it is. They are too big to fail. Like Jerry Tarkanian once said....the NCAA is really mad at Kentucky, so Eastern Michigan is going to get 2 years probation.

Its a criminal matter and a PSU issue, not something that even warrented a NCAA investigation.

 

[PITTsburghFAN]

Cap'n >> I had a feeling you would weigh-in and I thank you for your insights. I appreciate, also, that you see the reality of PSU having done an outstanding job of taking their2 medicine, seriously, and instituting desperately needed reforms.

What is sickening, however, is that the Cultist/JoeBots could not accept the truth, that they lashed out like cornered rats and blamed the very parties (Erickson, BOT, etc.) that were the only ones doing the right thing. Then they turned on the Freeh Report, etc. No shame, no sorrow... just insistence on trying to prove that their 1/2 Century fraud of holier-than-thou was still the storyline.

As you point out, the Clery Act - coming from a wholly different dimension than the NCAA, Freeh Report or PA Attorney General - shows unequivocally that the safety of minors was ignored and that the football administration in particular was complicit.

My sorrow is that these Clery Act indictments should be on billboards all over the state of PA for all to read, remember and repeat. But no... instead it's about PSU's winning record. Sickening.

Lastly - the 3 Stooges (I strongly believe) will still go on trial and I believe because only one of the hiders of evidence is now dead, will spill their guts to save themselves. And whatever GodPa did that was wrong, and we all know that was plenty, will become public knowledge.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

No. Once the sanctions were rescinded, it's one big love-fest again.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

no one cares. Even reasonable national writers are on PSU's side and against the NCAA. They all feel PSU was so crippled by the sanctions. All they care about are wins and losses

It what it is. They are too big to fail. Like Jerry Tarkanian once said....the NCAA is really mad at Kentucky, so Eastern Michigan is going to get 2 years probation.

Agree, that the view of the average PSU Fan but the Smart One know better, and Tribute & Homage still must be paid to those that attempted to Change the Football Culture at Penn State and the Penn State Athletic Integrity 2012 Reforms did change it to put them into Full Compliance!

Also, Franklin's Winning is a Tribute to the Trustees, and previous President Erickson, AD Dr. Joyner, not Spanier, Barron, Barbour, Curley nor Paternos? They have to live that PSU Winning is now due to not Violating Rules unlike under PSU Football Paterno Era Lacking Institutional Control requiring NCAA, Big Ten, Title IX Clery Act Fines and Sanctions!

 

[wbrpanther]

Is it possible that the most egregious violations in history, and the stunning penalty sent down from the highest education oversite committee in the Federal Government, will come into play when the CFP committee considers it choices?

Is it possible the NCAA instructs the committee to factor recent and significant program developments when making decisions?

Is it possible, even, that the NCAA looks into additional sanctions in light of the Federal government's strong condemnations of Penn State's criminal, renegade and wholly unrepentant behavior?

Thoughts welcome

The gutless NCAA took sanctions away. They are not putting them back.