Clock management again (Cincy)

[Sean Miller Fan]

Down 3. Ball at TT 33. Just picked up a 1st down so clock starts on the ready to play. 28 seconds left. No TO's. A Cincy player limped off the field on the prior play so I guess that gave TT the opportunity to sub. TT takes their sweet-ass time jogging players on and off the field. Cincy is set to snap at 28 seconds but by the time TT players leisurely stroll off the field, there's 15 seconds when the ball is snapped.

1. Is there a rule against how long defensive teams get to sub?

2. Shouldn't Cincy had not subbed and just spiked it with 28 seconds?

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Down 3. Ball at TT 33. Just picked up a 1st down so clock starts on the ready to play. 28 seconds left. No TO's. A Cincy player limped off the field on the prior play so I guess that gave TT the opportunity to sub. TT takes their sweet-ass time jogging players on and off the field. Cincy is set to snap at 28 seconds but by the time TT players leisurely stroll off the field, there's 15 seconds when the ball is snapped.

1. Is there a rule against how long defensive teams get to sub?

2. Shouldn't Cincy had not subbed and just spiked it with 28 seconds?

You mean spike with 10 men on the field? I think once the RB hobbled off, TT was allowed to sub. Tough break from Cincy though. That burned something like 15 seconds off.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You mean spike with 10 men on the field? I think once the RB hobbled off, TT was allowed to sub. Tough break from Cincy though. That burned something like 15 seconds off.

No. Tell the limping guy to stay on the field for the spike and not burn all that time

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

No. Tell the limping guy to stay on the field for the spike and not burn all that time

Yes. Probably tough in the moment though. But, yes.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Cincy did blow that one. Lotta injuries too. I do think they're much improved from last year. Not sure if he has time left but Sorsby is good in that offense. He's likely one of the best QBs will face this year.

 

[SteelBowl70]

They had 2 runoffs before this when another WR was hurt and they overturned a targeting which was debatable. They also burned their last TO running for 5 yards. All in all, they should have had at least 3 more plays.

 

[President Stache]

No. Tell the limping guy to stay on the field for the spike and not burn all that time

This would have been the right thing I am thinking.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Anyone know if there is a rule to prevent a defense from taking the whole play clock to sub? What prevents a defense from taking 15 seconds for one guy to run off the field and then 15 seconds for the replacement to come on?

 

[NKSplitter]

Anyone know if there is a rule to prevent a defense from taking the whole play clock to sub? What prevents a defense from taking 15 seconds for one guy to run off the field and then 15 seconds for the replacement to come on?

I think defensive delay of game can be called against that; even though that is not among the more common reasons it is called. Incidently, Pitt benefitted greatly from a defensive delay of game call at Cincinnati.

I was watching that play as well and was expecting to see the flag; because I thought the defender was pretty flagrantly trying to straddle the line of getting off the field with the slowest possible "jog" he thought might not draw a flag to bleed as much clock as possible. He was limping very slightly, but suspected he was faking that to get away with running time off the clock.

Maybe a rule change that says if the are under 2 minutes left in the game, the clock is running, and the offense has to sub out an player, the clock stops once the offense is set until the defense is done with substitutions? Probably something that would be hard to coordinate between the officials and the time keeper as they screw up the clock enough as is; but there has to be a better way than how it played our in that game.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Defensive delay of game can be called against that. Incidently, Pitt benefitted greatly from a defensive delay of game call at Cincinnati.

I was watching that play as well and was expecting to see the flag; because I thought the defender was pretty flagrantly trying to straddle the line of getting off the field with the slowest possible "jog" he thought might not draw a flag to bleed as much clock as possible.

Watching it live in person, I thought they called a defensive delay of game for Cincy not getting off the field fast enough. I told the Cincy fan next to me what I thought because their fans and everyone was confused. But that call against Cincy was actually disconcerting signals, not for guys taking too long to sub. But is this taking too long to sub thing just a judgment call? I've never seen that called. This Cincy/TT game was really the first time I've seen it become an issue. If you are Cincy, you just CANNOT sub there. Unless that Cincy player's leg was falling off, he needed to stand there and let Sorsby spike it

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Maybe a rule change that says if the are under 2 minutes left in the game, the clock is running, and the offense has to sub out an player, the clock stops once the offense is set until the defense is done with substitutions? Probably something that would be hard to coordinate between the officials and the time keeper as they screw up the clock enough as is; but there has to be a better way than how it played our in that game.

That would be a huge advantage for the offense.

 

[NKSplitter]

Watching it live in person, I thought they called a defensive delay of game for Cincy not getting off the field fast enough. I told the Cincy fan next to me what I thought because their fans and everyone was confused. But that call against Cincy was actually disconcerting signals, not for guys taking too long to sub. But is this taking too long to sub thing just a judgment call? I've never seen that called. This Cincy/TT game was really the first time I've seen it become an issue. If you are Cincy, you just CANNOT sub there. Unless that Cincy player's leg was falling off, he needed to stand there and let Sorsby spike it

I do think it is a judgment call. Before I saw this I edited my previous post mentioning the Texas Tech player slowest getting off the field looked like he was limping a little bit; which may have aided the no call.

I think you are right that if the coaches could have communicated to the injured player to set up like a receiver and put all your weight on your non-injured leg for 3 seconds while we spike the ball, then get off the field, they may have won the game.

It's really unfortunate for Cincinnati that they have had injuries at crucial points in the game that may be separating them from a currently undefeated season. In a game where Pitt needed every last point they scored to win, Pitt doesn't have time to kick the pre-halftime field goal if there isn't an official timeout with 1 second left for an injury on defense.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I do think it is a judgment call. Before I saw this I edited my previous post mentioning the Texas Tech player slowest getting off the field looked like he was limping a little bit; which may have aided the no call.

I think you are right that if the coaches could have communicated to the injured player to set up like a receiver and put all your weight on your non-injured leg for 3 seconds while we spike the ball, then get off the field, they may have won the game.

It's really unfortunate for Cincinnati that they have had injuries at crucial points in the game that may be separating them from a currently undefeated season. In a game where Pitt needed every last point they scored to win, Pitt doesn't have time to kick the pre-halftime field goal if there isn't an official timeout with 1 second left for an injury on defense.

Was that an official's timeout vs Pitt or should the clock have started on the ready to play?

 

[NKSplitter]

That would be a huge advantage for the offense.

Only if the team on offense is faking injuries every play. But in terms of keeping things interesting late in the game letting the clock run out while a defender is slowly walking off the field isn't exactly a compelling finish.

 

[NKSplitter]

Was that an official's timeout vs Pitt or should the clock have started on the ready to play?

I was at the game as well, but my perception was it was an official timeout for injury that was called.

My perception of that may have been colored by the fact that there was a Cincinnati fan behind me yelling at them to drag the injured player off the field instead of letting the officials stop the clock.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

What prevents a defense from taking 15 seconds for one guy to run off the field and then 15 seconds for the replacement to come on?

Don't sub. The defense has no incentive to move fast, nor should they. Pitt does it all the time on D. It's automatic when the offense tried to get a substitution in that situation, or late in the play clock.

Can't tell you how many times I've seen the offense have to burn a TO or get a delay of game because the offense subbed late at the D took their time.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Only if the team on offense is faking injuries every play. But in terms of keeping things interesting late in the game letting the clock run out while a defender is slowly walking off the field isn't exactly a compelling finish.

It would be an advantage every time it happened. You'd be giving the offense say ten seconds with the clock not running to make sure that everyone knew the play, that the linemen knew their blocking assignments, and you'd even have enough time to change the play if you so desired, all with the clock stopped.

The disadvantage for the offense of being forced to play fast is that it's harder to get plays in and get all 11 guys on the same page, and stopping the clock for them eliminates all that downside.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Terrible clock management at the end of the 1st Half. I dont know how many times I have to say that these teams need a clock management coordinator. They have a team of dieticians but cant designate one person to manage the clock. Head coaches are not capable of this.

Ball on the 30, 29 seconds left. 1 timeout left. You absolutely have to call a TO there. They wasted 12 seconds. Was saving that TO really worth 12 of the 29 secods to tick off? Of course not. The rule of thumb is to ALWAYS call a TO no matter what when you get stopped in bounds short of the 1st down marker when there is less than 1:30 left. The reason for this is you need to extend the game. Yes, burning timeouts early leaves you susceptible but you can call plays for 1st downs and to get out of bounds.

Pitt was 30 yards away from a semi-makeable Sauls FG attempt. Had they called a TO with 29 seconds, they would have had 4 plays to get those 30 yards instead of 2.

 

[upj87]

Terrible clock management at the end of the 1st Half. I dont know how many times I have to say that these teams need a clock management coordinator. They have a team of dieticians but cant designate one person to manage the clock. Head coaches are not capable of this.

Ball on the 30, 29 seconds left. 1 timeout left. You absolutely have to call a TO there. They wasted 12 seconds. Was saving that TO really worth 12 of the 29 secods to tick off? Of course not. The rule of thumb is to ALWAYS call a TO no matter what when you get stopped in bounds short of the 1st down marker when there is less than 1:30 left. The reason for this is you need to extend the game. Yes, burning timeouts early leaves you susceptible but you can call plays for 1st downs and to get out of bounds.

Pitt was 30 yards away from a semi-makeable Sauls FG attempt. Had they called a TO with 29 seconds, they would have had 4 plays to get those 30 yards instead of 2.

I kept thinking tv had it wrong and they were out of to's because no one could be that dumb.

 

[BreakingPitt]

Terrible clock management at the end of the 1st Half. I dont know how many times I have to say that these teams need a clock management coordinator. They have a team of dieticians but cant designate one person to manage the clock. Head coaches are not capable of this.

Ball on the 30, 29 seconds left. 1 timeout left. You absolutely have to call a TO there. They wasted 12 seconds. Was saving that TO really worth 12 of the 29 secods to tick off? Of course not. The rule of thumb is to ALWAYS call a TO no matter what when you get stopped in bounds short of the 1st down marker when there is less than 1:30 left. The reason for this is you need to extend the game. Yes, burning timeouts early leaves you susceptible but you can call plays for 1st downs and to get out of bounds.

Pitt was 30 yards away from a semi-makeable Sauls FG attempt. Had they called a TO with 29 seconds, they would have had 4 plays to get those 30 yards instead of 2.

You can say it a million times. No one , especially on this board is Listening to you. Get the hint.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You can say it a million times. No one , especially on this board is Listening to you. Get the hint.

Eventually they will listen and there will be Clock Management Coordinators. That doesn't mean it has to be a full-time position. This can be your Grad Assistant or in the NFL, some intern or something.