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cable obsolete within the next ten years. In 2025, when most of the conference tv rights expire, it will be very interesting to see the impact if this indeed comes to fruition.

I think conferences would need to realign based on interest in teams for paid subscriptions, versus current system where the Boston Colleges and Rutgers of the world are rewarded solely based on where they are located.
 
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cable obsolete within the next ten years. In 2025, when most of the conference tv rights expire, it will be very interesting to see the impact if this indeed comes to fruition.

I think conferences would need to realign based on interest in teams for paid subscriptions, versus current system where the Boston Colleges and Rutgers of the world are rewarded solely based on where they are located.

So if ESPN charges X amount per month for their app without having cable, do you REALLY think they will make less money. People need ESPN.
 
YES ESPN is currently making less money. This in the infancy stage of cable finding it necessary to unbundle. In a wireless environment why would ESPN, Fox or traditional networks be the only broadcaster of college football. Perhaps a Netflix like company could contract with a group of schools that are no longer under contract to broadcast their games. I think well branded schools with larger followings would benefit by merging together to work with wireless broadcasters.
Less emphasis will be on where your located vs how many would be willing to pay to see you.
 
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YES ESPN is currently making less money. This in the infancy stage of cable finding it necessary to unbundle. In a wireless environment why would ESPN, Fox or traditional networks be the only broadcaster of college football. Perhaps a Netflix like company could contract with a group of schools that are no longer under contract to broadcast their games. I think well branded schools with larger followings would benefit by merging together to work with wireless broadcasters.
Less emphasis will be on where your located vs how many would be willing to pay to see you.

I've said it a million times. This is a several decade switch. People still have home phones. People still have standard def TVs. I remember it wasnt until the mid 80s until there were no more black and white TVs.

This stuff will happen but it will be a very slow shift to it becoming the norm. Too many old people arent streaming stuff. When we are the senior citiznes streaming, then the shift will be complete.

Cable will be around another 20-30 years, slowly dying off until then.
 
I've said it a million times. This is a several decade switch. People still have home phones. People still have standard def TVs. I remember it wasnt until the mid 80s until there were no more black and white TVs.

This stuff will happen but it will be a very slow shift to it becoming the norm. Too many old people arent streaming stuff. When we are the senior citiznes streaming, then the shift will be complete.

Cable will be around another 20-30 years, slowly dying off until then.
There are over 300 million people in this country and most don't live on the cutting edge of technology. There will always be a market for older technology like cable tv.
 
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There are over 300 million people in this country and most don't live on the cutting edge of technology. There will always be a market for older technology like cable tv.

Correct. As I said, people still pay 2 phone bills. For what? You have a cell phone. Why keep the home phone? Its money down the drain. It takes generations for old technology to completely die out.

Streaming will continue to eat into cable's marketshare but cable also isnt stupid. Comcast just signed a deal with Netflix so expect some bundling offers soon. Cable ist going anywhere any time soon.
 
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YES ESPN is currently making less money. This in the infancy stage of cable finding it necessary to unbundle. In a wireless environment why would ESPN, Fox or traditional networks be the only broadcaster of college football. Perhaps a Netflix like company could contract with a group of schools that are no longer under contract to broadcast their games. I think well branded schools with larger followings would benefit by merging together to work with wireless broadcasters.
Less emphasis will be on where your located vs how many would be willing to pay to see you.

ESPN knows how to produce sports and other related content. It would take Netflix a ton of money to build the infrastructure and proper production facilities etc to even give a quality product. It may happen one day, but it's not a quick or simple switch. Look how difficult it is for Fox to even jump into the mass production of sports and they've been a part of producing sports for a while.

And once people start streaming more than watching via cable, that is where the prices will start to rise.

Hell, ESPN is tied into the ACC and SEC until the mid 2030s. So any change is going to be a long ways off. And who knows what the landscape will be then.
 
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Correct. As I said, people still pay 2 phone bills. For what? You have a cell phone. Why keep the home phone? Its money down the drain. It takes generations for old technology to completely die out.

Streaming will continue to eat into cable's marketshare but cable also isnt stupid. Comcast just signed a deal with Netflix so expect some bundling offers soon. Cable ist going anywhere any time soon.

And Disney is looking to purchase Twitter.

These alternate means will probably be gobbled up by the giants.
 
I think the argument about how long the transition takes will depend on availability, dependability, and affordability.

I had a talk with a relative that works at a Pittsburgh TV station. The value that the providers are counting on is that you will want to untether from a cable or a dish. The other is that people will be more interested in on-demand programming rather than a traditional broadcast type arrangement.

If you look around you, the millennials are the largest generation, by far, that are just starting to evolve into the consumer market. This group is already very comfortable with the technology and is more than okay paying once for phone, internet, and "television" that they can run from one device.

I think that if you want to pay for cable or a dish, those companies will facilitate you. But the content you'll be able to get wirelessly will be overwhelmingly cool.
 
I read somewhere that the big threat isn't a total abandonment but the slow decrease in market share. Cable companies project their budgets on a certain percentage of yearly growth, which year by year, it always has until now. Once you start going backwards, you stay that way and at some point your long term liabilities catch up.

Cable will survive for awhile, but eventually it will receive the same fate all antiquated technology meets.

We gave up cable two years ago. I'm happier with streaming options and not having a cable/satellite company in my life.

Read up on some of the ways Google is planning to bring Internet into your homes. Pretty remarkable.
 
I've said it a million times. This is a several decade switch. People still have home phones. People still have standard def TVs. I remember it wasnt until the mid 80s until there were no more black and white TVs.

This stuff will happen but it will be a very slow shift to it becoming the norm. Too many old people arent streaming stuff. When we are the senior citiznes streaming, then the shift will be complete.

Cable will be around another 20-30 years, slowly dying off until then.
So is this the 1,000,000th or 1,000,001th time??
Just trying to keep track?
 
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Correct. As I said, people still pay 2 phone bills. For what? You have a cell phone. Why keep the home phone? Its money down the drain. It takes generations for old technology to completely die out.

Streaming will continue to eat into cable's marketshare but cable also isnt stupid. Comcast just signed a deal with Netflix so expect some bundling offers soon. Cable ist going anywhere any time soon.
I still maintain a land line thru Comcast that I only use to call my misplaced cell phone. It's cheaper to package internet, home phone and cable than it is to get cable and internet separate. Still trying to figure that one out.

One thing I am hoping is that Comcast somehow starts offering cheaper rates. You would think that with all the emerging technology the competition would start kicking in and prices would start easing. Just a dream I guess.
 
YES ESPN is currently making less money. This in the infancy stage of cable finding it necessary to unbundle. In a wireless environment why would ESPN, Fox or traditional networks be the only broadcaster of college football. Perhaps a Netflix like company could contract with a group of schools that are no longer under contract to broadcast their games. I think well branded schools with larger followings would benefit by merging together to work with wireless broadcasters.
Less emphasis will be on where your located vs how many would be willing to pay to see you.

This is a common problem. All you have to do is look through history to find how the "next great thing" doesn't end up working like it was predicted.

The problem with this streaming idea is that it's not self sufficient. For example, the ACC or SEC could not survive with a completely independent subscription service. There are simply not enough people who will pay to watch those games. Sports depend on the casual viewer. There are simply not enough diehards to support a team or conference, not for anywhere near the amount currently being paid.

On top of that, individual sports themselves aren't self sufficient. Even the almighty NFL would be nowhere near as profitable if they didn't have the TV contracts with Fox and CBS. If the NFL depended strictly on subscriptions to the NFL network, the NFL would be back at 1960s profit margins. It takes a network that offers a variety of programming (i.e. Fox and CBS, or ESPN) to generate that kind of revenue. In other words, your idea of Netflix offering sports would have to be a bundle of different sports and leagues.......you know, kind of like ESPN does now.
 
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This is a common problem. All you have to do is look through history to find how the "next great thing" doesn't end up working like it was predicted.

The problem with this streaming idea is that it's not self sufficient. For example, the ACC or SEC could not survive with a completely independent subscription service. There are simply not enough people who will pay to watch those games. Sports depend on the casual viewer. There are simply not enough diehards to support a team or conference, not for anywhere near the amount currently being paid.

On top of that, individual sports themselves aren't self sufficient. Even the almighty NFL would be nowhere near as profitable if they didn't have the TV contracts with Fox and CBS. If the NFL depended strictly on subscriptions to the NFL network, the NFL would be back at 1960s profit margins. It takes a network that offers a variety of programming (i.e. Fox and CBS, or ESPN) to generate that kind of revenue. In other words, your idea of Netflix offering sports would have to be a bundle of different sports and leagues.......you know, kind of like ESPN does now.
Respectfully disagree. I think the days of billion dollar contracts are nearing their end for most. Certain sec and acc schools would more than survive, while those with smaller fan bases wont do too well. Look at land line phones, the former major players have virtually abandoned that business and sunk their resources into wireless. This collapse wont be overnight but in my opinion will not take decades either. The one thing in life ive discovered is things always change. If your sole plan is to rely on the past then you get what you deserve by being so obstinent. I know the diehards of teams with large fan bases will pay whats needed to continue being able to view their team. I like this direction because the undeserving dead weight teams like rutgers and wake forest do not deserve the financial security over better followed teams simply because of location or long time affiliations.
 
cable obsolete within the next ten years. In 2025, when most of the conference tv rights expire, it will be very interesting to see the impact if this indeed comes to fruition.

I think conferences would need to realign based on interest in teams for paid subscriptions, versus current system where the Boston Colleges and Rutgers of the world are rewarded solely based on where they are located.
I saw the same report but I came to the conclusion that wireless and cable (satellite) will be seamless. I'm actually shocked that there are not as many differences compared to a decade ago.

It's all about eyeballs and advertising dollars always find a market? ACC is in a sweet spot of " just right" for size. Big 10 seating is not sustainable.
 
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This is a common problem. All you have to do is look through history to find how the "next great thing" doesn't end up working like it was predicted.

The problem with this streaming idea is that it's not self sufficient. For example, the ACC or SEC could not survive with a completely independent subscription service. There are simply not enough people who will pay to watch those games. Sports depend on the casual viewer. There are simply not enough diehards to support a team or conference, not for anywhere near the amount currently being paid.

On top of that, individual sports themselves aren't self sufficient. Even the almighty NFL would be nowhere near as profitable if they didn't have the TV contracts with Fox and CBS. If the NFL depended strictly on subscriptions to the NFL network, the NFL would be back at 1960s profit margins. It takes a network that offers a variety of programming (i.e. Fox and CBS, or ESPN) to generate that kind of revenue. In other words, your idea of Netflix offering sports would have to be a bundle of different sports and leagues.......you know, kind of like ESPN does now.

But ESPN depends on consumers who are mostly forced into purchasing their products. With expanding options, that might not be necessary.

The "next great thing", might just not be great for sport fans, but great for everyone else.

"The next great thing", in this discussion is a dramatic leap in technology. The antiquated tech never wins.
 
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Respectfully disagree. I think the days of billion dollar contracts are nearing their end for most. Certain sec and acc schools would more than survive, while those with smaller fan bases wont do too well. Look at land line phones, the former major players have virtually abandoned that business and sunk their resources into wireless. This collapse wont be overnight but in my opinion will not take decades either. The one thing in life ive discovered is things always change. If your sole plan is to rely on the past then you get what you deserve by being so obstinent. I know the diehards of teams with large fan bases will pay whats needed to continue being able to view their team. I like this direction because the undeserving dead weight teams like rutgers and wake forest do not deserve the financial security over better followed teams simply because of location or long time affiliations.

"The one thing in life ive discovered is things always change."

And see, this is the problem. You are ignoring changes future changes. You are basing your prediction of the future based on what you see happening right now. In the future, conditions will change, and what looks like the "wave of the future" today won't be the same later on.

Regarding the diehards, there simply aren't enough to keep even the big teams afloat. That's true for now, let alone in the future. You have to have casual viewers. Simply no way to get around that. Let's take the SEC. Right now, each school gets roughly $25 million a year from ESPN. (That's not even counting the SECN.) To even get close to that figure, you would have to charge each subscriber more than they pay for their entire TV package now. You just won't get enough people to do that. If you want to make the argument that schools simply won't get as much money now as they did before, that's a different argument. However, this means college football basically returns to the 1970s.

But ESPN depends on consumers who are mostly forced into purchasing their products. With expanding options, that might not be necessary.

The "next great thing", might just not be great for sport fans, but great for everyone else.

"The next great thing", in this discussion is a dramatic leap in technology. The antiquated tech never wins.

Right, and that's the point. ESPN makes money off of people who don't even watch their product. With a subscription or a la carte service, you don't make money off of those people anymore. That means, less money for the broadcaster/streamer, and therefore less money for the schools, or even pro leagues.

The thing you aren't factoring in is the causal viewer. There are still plenty of people who aren't particularly dedicated to one specific form of entertainment, and want a variety of options. There is always going to be a market for that, which means some form of "bundle."
Whether you get the bundle though a cable company or a streaming service, there is going to be a "bundle" either way.
 
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"The one thing in life ive discovered is things always change."

And see, this is the problem. You are ignoring changes future changes. You are basing your prediction of the future based on what you see happening right now. In the future, conditions will change, and what looks like the "wave of the future" today won't be the same later on.

Regarding the diehards, there simply aren't enough to keep even the big teams afloat. That's true for now, let alone in the future. You have to have casual viewers. Simply no way to get around that. Let's take the SEC. Right now, each school gets roughly $25 million a year from ESPN. (That's not even counting the SECN.) To even get close to that figure, you would have to charge each subscriber more than they pay for their entire TV package now. You just won't get enough people to do that. If you want to make the argument that schools simply won't get as much money now as they did before, that's a different argument. However, this means college football basically returns to the 1970s.



Right, and that's the point. ESPN makes money off of people who don't even watch their product. With a subscription or a la carte service, you don't make money off of those people anymore. That means, less money for the broadcaster/streamer, and therefore less money for the schools, or even pro leagues.

The real battle isn't between cable companies v. streaming, its who controls the delivery of content.

Right now cable is in control because of their infrastructure, but that will change. With things like 5G, and Google's beamed-in wifi, the actual cable is no longer necessary.

Copper cable is antiquated tech, it can't survive.
 
The real battle isn't between cable companies v. streaming, its who controls the delivery of content.

Right now cable is in control because of their infrastructure, but that will change. With things like 5G, and Google's beamed-in wifi, the actual cable is no longer necessary.

Copper cable is antiquated tech, it can't survive.

And my point is, that's irrelevant. You are too fixated on the delivery system. The issue is how the content is packaged. It's what you get, not how you get it. If you are buying a group of channels from Comcast, or a group of channels from Netflix, you are buying a group of channels, otherwise known as a bundle, either way. This idea of a pure a la carte system is simply not going to happen.

It's kind of like advertising. You had advertising on the radio, then you had advertising on television, and now you have advertising on the internet. Advertising never went away, just like bundling will never go away. It will just be delivered to you on a different system, just like the progression from radio to TV to internet.
 
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And my point is, that's irrelevant. You are too fixated on the delivery system. The issue is how the content is packaged. It's what you get, not how you get it. If you are buying a group of channels from Comcast, or a group of channels from Netflix, you are buying a group of channels, otherwise known as a bundle, either way. This idea of a pure a la carte system is simply not going to happen.

It's kind of like advertising. You had advertising on the radio, then you had advertising on television, and now you have advertising on the internet. Advertising never went away, just like bundling will never go away. It will just be delivered to you on a different system, just like the progression from radio to TV to internet.

This discussion was about whether or not cable would become obsolete. So yes, the deliver system (cable or cable-less) is not irrelevant. It's actually the very foundation of the discussion. Up until now, cable was necessary for either TV or Wifi - but that's all changing.

The "Bundle" will probably continue in some form, but there will most definitely be Sports/ESPN absent bundles, which will definitely shake things up dramatically. Their model was built on "forcing" their channels on consumers who had no interest in them (for example, my mother who lives alone).

Netflix is not a bundle of channels. It's a bundle of content. That's a major difference. It's an actual product (RE: HBO).

Advertising is a bad analogy, not worth debating.
 
"The one thing in life ive discovered is things always change."

And see, this is the problem. You are ignoring changes future changes. You are basing your prediction of the future based on what you see happening right now. In the future, conditions will change, and what looks like the "wave of the future" today won't be the same later on.

Regarding the diehards, there simply aren't enough to keep even the big teams afloat. That's true for now, let alone in the future. You have to have casual viewers. Simply no way to get around that. Let's take the SEC. Right now, each school gets roughly $25 million a year from ESPN. (That's not even counting the SECN.) To even get close to that figure, you would have to charge each subscriber more than they pay for their entire TV package now. You just won't get enough people to do that. If you want to make the argument that schools simply won't get as much money now as they did before, that's a different argument. However, this means college football basically returns to the 1970s.



Right, and that's the point. ESPN makes money off of people who don't even watch their product. With a subscription or a la carte service, you don't make money off of those people anymore. That means, less money for the broadcaster/streamer, and therefore less money for the schools, or even pro leagues.

The thing you aren't factoring in is the causal viewer. There are still plenty of people who aren't particularly dedicated to one specific form of entertainment, and want a variety of options. There is always going to be a market for that, which means some form of "bundle."
Whether you get the bundle though a cable company or a streaming service, there is going to be a "bundle" either way.

I'm not discounting it. But with a rise of ESPN/Sports absent bundling options, yes I think it will shake things up and maybe break the bubble.
 
This discussion was about whether or not cable would become obsolete. So yes, the deliver system (cable or cable-less) is not irrelevant. It's actually the very foundation of the discussion. Up until now, cable was necessary for either TV or Wifi - but that's all changing.

The "Bundle" will probably continue in some form, but there will most definitely be Sports/ESPN absent bundles, which will definitely shake things up dramatically. Their model was built on "forcing" their channels on consumers who had no interest in them (for example, my mother who lives alone).

Netflix is not a bundle of channels. It's a bundle of content. That's a major difference. It's an actual product (RE: HBO).

Advertising is a bad analogy, not worth debating.

Actually no, the discussion was how it would affect conference TV rights.

A Sports/ESPN bundle is still going to be "forced" onto consumers. You are still going to have a basic package that will include a variety of different content, which will include sports. So for example, your mother would still be purchasing some sort of packaged content that will include some sports programming.

Channels = content. The Food Network is not merely a channel. It's a specific type of content. The History Channel is not merely a channel. It's a specific type of content. ESPN is not merely a channel. It's a specific type of content. HBO is the same thing. They offer movies, ESPN offers sports. Not a major difference at all.

The advertising analogy isn't bad, you just can't refute it, so you avoid discussing it.

I'm not discounting it. But with a rise of ESPN/Sports absent bundling options, yes I think it will shake things up and maybe break the bubble.

Eventually, the money in sports/college football will peak and level off. This happens in every industry. That said, there simply won't be an absence of some type of bundling. Again the casual viewer will never disappear. There will always be people who want a variety of forms of entertainment, so there will always be some type of bundling in transmitted entertainment.
 
Actually no, the discussion was how it would affect conference TV rights.

A Sports/ESPN bundle is still going to be "forced" onto consumers. You are still going to have a basic package that will include a variety of different content, which will include sports. So for example, your mother would still be purchasing some sort of packaged content that will include some sports programming.

And how do you know this? It appears you're just stating your opinion as fact, which is something I've noticed you commonly do. You don't even appear to be educated on the emerging technologies, so forgive me if I don't adopt your opinion as anything more than internet barking.

Bundles were created by the cable companies. It was their model. It was good for them, but not very good for some consumers. It didn't matter because consumers didn't have alternatives. They were at the mercy of what the cable companies offered. That's all changing. Content can be delivered without cable now, and that's the whole point. When the delivery gets out of their control, it's totally reasonable to assume, or hypothesize that their most hated business method (bundling), will change too.


Channels = content. The Food Network is not merely a channel. It's a specific type of content. The History Channel is not merely a channel. It's a specific type of content. ESPN is not merely a channel. It's a specific type of content. HBO is the same thing. They offer movies, ESPN offers sports. Not a major difference at all.

HBO can be purchased as a stand alone service now. I pay $15/per month for HBO NOW (I don't have a cable or dish subscription). I pay $8/per month for Netflix and Hulu. I wouldn't pay anything for just Food Network, or History Channel, or HGTV. Lots of people won't pay anything for ESPN, and in the future there will be channel options (bundles) that don't include sports and ESPN.

The advertising analogy isn't bad, you just can't refute it, so you avoid discussing it.

It's a stupid analogy. Businesses need advertising to survive/grow. Consumers don't need bundles to survive. In fact, bundling is probably the very least liked aspect of TV.

Eventually, the money in sports/college football will peak and level off. This happens in every industry. That said, there simply won't be an absence of some type of bundling. Again the casual viewer will never disappear. There will always be people who want a variety of forms of entertainment, so there will always be some type of bundling in transmitted entertainment.

There probably will be some bundling, I agree. But bundling options will expand and many of them won't include sports. In fact, I believe some cable companies are already starting to offer them.

I think there will be bundles with no sports, and bundles with just 1/2 sports channels. The days of forcing 7-10 sports channels on people is probably coming to an end.

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And how do you know this? It appears you're just stating your opinion as fact, which is something I've noticed you commonly do. You don't even appear to be educated on the emerging technologies, so forgive me if I don't adopt your opinion as anything more than internet barking.

Bundles were created by the cable companies. It was their model. It was good for them, but not very good for some consumers. It didn't matter because consumers didn't have alternatives. They were at the mercy of what the cable companies offered. That's all changing. Content can be delivered without cable now, and that's the whole point. When the delivery gets out of their control, it's totally reasonable to assume, or hypothesize that their most hated business method (bundling), will change too.

I can make the same argument. How do you what will happen? You are only stating your opinion also. Your opinion is no more factual than mine. The reason you have a problem with what I say is because I don't go through the tedious process of qualifying every one of my remarks with "I believe," or "in my opinion." It's superfluous. As any good English teacher will tell you, when you are writing a term paper, for example, you don't say, "I believe," or "It's my opinion," because by definition, your writing is your opinion.

Now that said, here's how I know. Casual viewers will always exist. Most, and I emphasize most, programming relies on casual viewers. Very few genres can exist on a niche audience. That's because there is a baseline amount of cost involved in producing entertainment. In television, you have to have cameramen, directors, audio engineers, producers, editors, video equipment, audio equipment, etc. You need a lot of money to pay for all these expenses, and you normally can't generate that kind of revenue with a limited audience. That's why cable started bundling channels in the first place. If channels weren't bundled, then you would only have around 10-15 channels. That's because most channels wouldn't make enough money to stay in business. I listed several examples. The History Channel, the Food Network, the SEC Network, etc. don't make enough money independently. They don't have particularly large audiences, because they only offer niche programming. They depend on being part of a larger package to make enough money. On the other hand, over-the-air networks like Fox, NBC, CBS, etc. can exist independently, because they provide a variety of programming, and attract an overall large audience. They can exist independently because they have so many people watching their programming that advertisers will pay enough money for them to remain in business.

HBO can be purchased as a stand alone service now. I pay $15/per month for HBO NOW (I don't have a cable or dish subscription). I pay $8/per month for Netflix and Hulu. I wouldn't pay anything for just Food Network, or History Channel, or HGTV. Lots of people won't pay anything for ESPN, and in the future there will be channel options (bundles) that don't include sports and ESPN.

HBO product is content. Same thing with ESPN. HBO itself is not the product. The movies HBO shows are the product, same way that the games ESPN shows are the product. It's true that HBO is a pay service and ESPN isn't. However, lots of people don't pay for HBO either. ESPN could possibly turn into a pay service, a la HBO, but they would have to offer all of their sports as a package. ESPN couldn't operate as a pay service if they only televised one sport or league, like only college football or only the SEC.

To your point about Food Network, History Channel, etc., that's exactly what I'm saying. HBO can exist because most people watch movies. HBO has a wide consumer base to support. Only a niche audience is interested in history or cooking. Those channels don't have enough of a base to independently survive. Sports is similar, to some extent.

It's a stupid analogy. Businesses need advertising to survive/grow. Consumers don't need bundles to survive. In fact, bundling is probably the very least liked aspect of TV.

It's not a stupid analogy, and you missed my point. I didn't say consumers need bundling. My point was, most types of entertainment need bundling in order to survive (just as businesses need advertising to survive). If there isn't bundling, then you will only have a few "channels" that would survive in the streaming world. It wouldn't be too much different that TV was in the old days of the 3 networks. You would only have a handful of streaming "channels" (or whatever you want to call them) that would survive to even be offered in the first place. The productions costs are otherwise prohibitive.

There probably will be some bundling, I agree. But bundling options will expand and many of them won't include sports. In fact, I believe some cable companies are already starting to offer them.

I think there will be bundles with no sports, and bundles with just 1/2 sports channels. The days of forcing 7-10 sports channels on people is probably coming to an end.

That's most likely true. However, that goes for all channels, not just sports. You won't be able to have an "Alabama" channel, or a "Penn St" channel, or really an SEC Network, or ACC network. You will have to have a few channels with a variety of content (like all the college football conferences, or a channel with multiple sports.) That's the whole point.

One other thing. You can actually get cable bundles with no sports on them today, so that's nothing new either. That's leads to another point. You mentioned earlier that you can get Netfilx and Hulu for $8 a month. Well, one thing you aren't taking into account is that most of the channels you get on Netflix and Hulu are also on cable and dish. That mean those channels don't rely on the streaming services for their main source of income. If cable and dish no longer exist at all, then you won't be paying $8 for Netflix and Hulu anymore. All those channels will have to charge more to stay afloat.
 
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It is funny how one of the state's with the LEAST access to technology think that somehow a technology leap in the future will benefit them.

I have long wondered the same thing. Why on earth would they think this would benefit them? Also, why do people think this is going to happen swiftly? It's just completely nuts.
 
Right now cable service bundled packages are the best deal if you watch alot of channel.
Its starting to get like cell phones due to competition. They're all digital now with similar services, quality, and performance. The bundled internet, phone, tv packages are the best deals.
Just today we're switching companies and dropping our landline saving us a lot. No contracts, month to month, pay two months get two months free, and we add Center Ice to watch the PENS and MLB to watch our favorite MLB team. We dropped anything related to the NFL due to the protests. We only watch Steelers games when we get them, no package, no merchandise purchases from now on.
Plus all of the internet,tv, phone service providers are now competing for business because more of them have moved into the marketplace.
Good ole free market competition drives prices down just like whats happening to the phone companies.
For a really good price we get over 350 channels, internet, and phone which we're dropping.
If we ordered all this stuff separately it would be really expensive!
But it will change one day!
 
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I'm not disagreeing with your premise of casual viewers. What I'm suggesting is that in the future casual viewers will have expanded options, some bundles will include sports, some will not. That's all.

We also agree that most channels cannot survive on their own. Where we disagree is I believe many of these channels will go by the wayside. With the changing technology (and viewing habits), it will be much more difficult to force consumers into subsidizing large entertainment packages. I think options will expand in response to consumer demand. I don't think it will be totally a la cart, but even a modest backpedaling in subscribers could shake things up. Earlier I mentioned that the networks and cable companies calculate their future budgets based on a certain percentage of yearly growth. So instead of getting 5% growth each year, they might be getting -1%. That might not sound cataclysmic, but considering the long term obligations they carry it could be very significant.

For example, I mentioned I gave up my cable package a few years ago. Well last year during college football/basketball season I purchased SlingTV. I got the basic package that included ESPN/ESPN2 ($20/per month no contract or equipment to install). I purchased Sling the first weekend of the college football season. I kept it until college basketball season ended, then cancelled. Same thing this year, I purchased it at the beginning of Sept and will cancel it in March.

That's just an example of how the consumers are beginning to get control over what they pay for, and when they pay for it. Previously, cable companies just put me on a 2 year contract with raising rates, rent equipment, ect. That's how they made money. Now there's competition because of the emerging tech, and imo, the outcome will be much more consumer friendly.
 
I still maintain a land line thru Comcast that I only use to call my misplaced cell phone. It's cheaper to package internet, home phone and cable than it is to get cable and internet separate. Still trying to figure that one out.

One thing I am hoping is that Comcast somehow starts offering cheaper rates. You would think that with all the emerging technology the competition would start kicking in and prices would start easing. Just a dream I guess.
Why do you maintain the phone line? They have bundles for internet and cable just the same as they do for phone, internet, and cable. You can use many different websites to call your lost phone.
 
Right now cable service bundled packages are the best deal if you watch alot of channel.
Its starting to get like cell phones due to competition. They're all digital now with similar services, quality, and performance. The bundled internet, phone, tv packages are the best deals.
Just today we're switching companies and dropping our landline saving us a lot. No contracts, month to month, pay two months get two months free, and we add Center Ice to watch the PENS and MLB to watch our favorite MLB team. We dropped anything related to the NFL due to the protests. We only watch Steelers games when we get them, no package, no merchandise purchases from now on.
Plus all of the internet,tv, phone service providers are now competing for business because more of them have moved into the marketplace.
Good ole free market competition drives prices down just like whats happening to the phone companies.
For a really good price we get over 350 channels, internet, and phone which we're dropping.
If we ordered all this stuff separately it would be really expensive!
But it will change one day!

Yes, cable bundles are great for couch potatoes.

We have our internet through a major cable company but a local company is bringing residential fiber to our area.

We don't have landlines. Our kids prefer watching Youtube on the tablet than regular TV. Things are really changing.
 
It is hilarious to me for your average sports fan (middle aged husband and father to a couple kids) to rail against bundles when they are, by far, the ones who benefit the most.
 
Yes, cable bundles are great for couch potatoes.

We have our internet through a major cable company but a local company is bringing residential fiber to our area.

We don't have landlines. Our kids prefer watching Youtube on the tablet than regular TV. Things are really changing.
But, as we have learned, you really aren't a big sports fan.
 
I fully agree with topdecktiger on this. The delivery will change, but bundles will eventually be carried over to streaming, and if there is going to be a true ala carte, it is going to be expensive as hell.

These conferences will still make their money, along with ESPN and others who deliver it. It will just be delivered differently.
 
I fully agree with topdecktiger on this. The delivery will change, but bundles will eventually be carried over to streaming, and if there is going to be a true ala carte, it is going to be expensive as hell.

These conferences will still make their money, along with ESPN and others who deliver it. It will just be delivered differently.

Yes, but not all bundles will include sports and ESPN, and with the new tech distributing the content will be more democratized, so competitors will have easy access to step in and fill voids left by current providers.

For example (just throwing it out), you may be able to purchase a "Lifestyle Bundle" consisting of HGTV, Food Network, Travel Channel, DIY, ect., or a Sports Bundle of ESPN Channels, Fox, ect.

Bundles will definitely continue but not in the way we know them now, and consumers won't be locked into 2 year contracts with them....they will be apps you just turn on and off as you like, similar to how Sling operates, imo.

Up until now, if you wanted to compete with cable it was nearly impossible because no one could lay the infrastructure - bring the actual cable to every home (or dish). That barrier is diminishing.

I pay $15/per month for HBO NOW. During college football season, I'd pay $15 or $20 for an ESPN Bundle....then cancel after the season.
 
I'm not sure. I don't watch NFL, MLB or NHL. I watch college football and basketball. Some NBA.

Most people aren't "big sports fans."
Right, but that doesn't mean someone is a couch potato because they enjoy watching sports and benefit from bundles. What it most likely means is they like to watch a variety of sports and have a family with varying interests.

I pay $15/per month for HBO NOW. During college football season, I'd pay $15 or $20 for an ESPN Bundle....then cancel after the season.
They will be charging much more than that if you aren't making a commitment. Even with a 1 year agreement, I doubt they could price it that low per month.
 
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