College Basketball Tiers

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I think this is fairly well done.

Not sure if Indiana and UConn are "elite" anymore. I do think we could be "Tier 5" because if K State is on there, why not us? How many other programs achieved a 1 seed, let alone twice in 2 years.

Tier 6 is good.

 

[DT_PITT]

I think this is fairly well done.

Not sure if Indiana and UConn are "elite" anymore. I do think we could be "Tier 5" because if K State is on there, why not us? How many other programs achieved a 1 seed, let alone twice in 2 years.

Tier 6 is good.

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Because it was 11 years ago. We haven't made the tournament -- heck we haven't had a winning record -- for six straight seasons.

Kansas State was in the Elite 8 in 2018.

My only quibble is with the Cal Bears.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Because it was 11 years ago. We haven't made the tournament -- heck we haven't had a winning record -- for six straight seasons.

Kansas State was in the Elite 8 in 2018.

My only quibble is with the Cal Bears.

Blue Bloods
Duke
UK
KU
UNC

Almost Blue Bloods
Gonzaga
Nova
MSU
Indiana
OSU
Lou
Syr
Az
Mich
UCLA
UVa
Baylor

Next level:
just about every one else

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

These things kind of seem to always boil down to exactly how far back you want to go. But these are more categories than they are tiers, so they're kind of getting around it that way.

Shouldn't Tennessee be in there somewhere? Just off the top of my head, that seems like a pretty sizable omission.

 

[DT_PITT]

These things kind of seem to always boil down to exactly how far back you want to go. But these are more categories than they are tiers, so they're kind of getting around it that way.

Shouldn't Tennessee be in there somewhere? Just off the top of my head, that seems like a pretty sizable omission.

Wow ... I would have expected Tennessee would be on there also. Come to think of it, I also don't see Florida State, do you? They should ABSOLUTELY be one there, as maybe should Miami.

Certainly before us, the Cal Bears, Stanford (hasn't been to the tournament since 2014) and probably even Washington. Heck ... Perhaps WE should be on the list before Stanford. Only one tournament since 2008.

Writer must live on the West Coast. He has 9 of 12 Pac-12 teams on there. And only 8 of 15 ACC teams. Xavier should be on there before some of those Pac-12 teams too. That's pretty ridiculous. Did Bill Walton draw this up?

 

[Ski11585]

Not a bad list but IU is three tiers too high.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Wow ... I would have expected Tennessee would be on there also. Come to think of it, I also don't see Florida State, do you? They should ABSOLUTELY be one there, as maybe should Miami.

Certainly before us, the Cal Bears, Stanford (hasn't been to the tournament since 2014) and probably even Washington. Heck ... Perhaps WE should be on the list before Stanford. Only one tournament since 2008.

Writer must live on the West Coast. He has 9 of 12 Pac-12 teams on there. And only 8 of 15 ACC teams. Xavier should be on there before some of those Pac-12 teams too. That's pretty ridiculous. Did Bill Walton draw this up?

You get that this isn't a list based on right now, that it is the "All Time" list, right?

By that criteria, Florida State and Miami aren't even close.

Edited to add, neither are we.

 

[DT_PITT]

You get that this isn't a list based on right now, that it is the "All Time" list, right?

By that criteria, Florida State and Miami aren't even close.

Edited to add, neither are we.

Still think Tennessee should be on there.

 

[NCanton Panther]

You get that this isn't a list based on right now, that it is the "All Time" list, right?

By that criteria, Florida State and Miami aren't even close.

Edited to add, neither are we.

Yeah, my thought as well. It’s called an all-time list, not current or recent years. By all-time criteria, IU and UCONN should definitely be as high as they are listed. I don’t see any remote reason why FSU or Miami would be on the list.

Not sure about some of the PAC teams DT had pointed out like Cal. Have to go back a good long while to recall where they did much.

 

[TheLogicalTake]

I think this is fairly well done.

Not sure if Indiana and UConn are "elite" anymore. I do think we could be "Tier 5" because if K State is on there, why not us? How many other programs achieved a 1 seed, let alone twice in 2 years.

Tier 6 is good.

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The 2 schools I chuckle at are MSU and Syracuse.

Syracuse is not an “elite” school any longer. I’ve always found them to be wildly overrated and they should thank their lucky stars that Carmelo carried them to their only title.

Similarly, MSU always strikes me as a program that gets overhyped and falls short. Their inclusion in the Champions Classic with UK, Duke, and KU always makes me laugh.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Still think Tennessee should be on there.

He just forgot them. Pitt should be on there also.

As I said, there's blue bloods and almost blue bloods. Pitt is in a category with everyone else: Ten, Auburn, TT, FSU, Arkansas, etc. It just depends on how far back you want to go. The only difference between Pitt and those programs has been coaching. Those programs have no interest advantage over Pitt other than making good coaching hires. That said, I have a really good feeling about this year's team

 

[DT_PITT]

You get that this isn't a list based on right now, that it is the "All Time" list, right?

By that criteria, Florida State and Miami aren't even close.

Edited to add, neither are we.

This should add a little data to the mix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Tournament_bids_by_school

As I suggested, the PAC-10 teams got way too much love on this list. And if it's an "All-Time" list as you pointed out (and is stated at the top), why is Wichita State on the list?? Plain and simply, they have been included by what they have done lately (since 2012).

And quite frankly, Florida State has done just about the same lately as Wichita State, and has been to more tournaments overall.

And even our Panthers stack up OK. But Stanford and Cal do not belong (Cal had a great four year run from 1957-1960. And then they didn't even make the tournament for 30 years!!) Even Washington and USC don't look so good. And as I asserted, Xavier should have also been included, especially over some of the PAC-12 teams I mentioned. BYU was overlooked as well.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Not a bad list but IU is three tiers too high.

That is one I had a problem with. I do think some of the omissions like Tennessee and FSU were true omissions (misses) not intentional.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Syracuse is not an “elite” school any longer.

Again, it's not about "any longer". It's about all time.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It just depends on how far back you want to go.

Once again, "all time".

He's telling you how far back he went.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

This should add a little data to the mix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Basketball_Tournament_bids_by_school

As I suggested, the PAC-10 teams got way too much love on this list. And if it's an "All-Time" list as you pointed out (and is stated at the top), why is Wichita State on the list?? Plain and simply, they have been included by what they have done lately (since 2012).

And quite frankly, Florida State has done just about the same lately as Wichita State, and has been to more tournaments overall.

And even our Panthers stack up OK. But Stanford and Cal do not belong (Cal had a great four year run from 1957-1960. And then they didn't even make the tournament for 30 years!!) Even Washington and USC don't look so good. And as I asserted, Xavier should have also been included, especially over some of the PAC-12 teams I mentioned. BYU was overlooked as well.

I'm not suggesting that I agree with his whole list. Honestly, I didn't even give it much thought beyond, oh, well that's some guy's opinion, whatever. I'm just saying that there are reasons why some teams that would be on that list if you were talking about the last 10 years or 20 years aren't on that list.

 

[DT_PITT]

I'm not suggesting that I agree with his whole list. Honestly, I didn't even give it much thought beyond, oh, well that's some guy's opinion, whatever. I'm just saying that there are reasons why some teams that would be on that list if you were talking about the last 10 years or 20 years aren't on that list.

I was offering a rebuttal to your statement that Florida State is not even close.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I was offering a rebuttal to your statement that Florida State is not even close.

Well there are 52 schools there, so OK, they probably are kinda close to the top 52.

 

[TheLogicalTake]

Again, it's not about "any longer". It's about all time.

I wouldn’t put Syracuse in the elite category all time either. For me, to get into that club you need to have multiple titles. if not for one of the best CBB players in the last 25 years dropping in for a year and getting them a banner, they’d still be sitting on zero.

 

[DT_PITT]

I wouldn’t put Syracuse in the elite category all time either. For me, to get into that club you need to have multiple titles. if not for one of the best CBB players in the last 25 years dropping in for a year and getting them a banner, they’d still be sitting on zero.

Take a look at the link I provided in the thread. It tells a good story to put them in that category… or at least ahead of Arizona.

 

[thirteenNINE]

I mean, that list is fine at the top but I generally feel as though most college basketball fans could typically agree with that. I think that the rest of the list is pretty bad though.

Tier 3 needs to just straight up swap LSU, Maryland, and Wisconsin with Notre Dame, Marquette, and Texas from tier 6 and honestly you can argue about leaving off LSU altogether.

USF's historical success is long enough ago where you can leave them off too in the same bucket as Penn and Holy Cross and then slide Cal into the historical success line.

And then you still have a line 6 that includes Oregon State, Wichita State, and Stanford which is dubious at best and in the case of Oregon State just silly when you've left off Xavier, Tennessee, Wake Forest, or even Pitt.

But at least it's something to argue about.

 

[DT_PITT]

I mean, that list is fine at the top but I generally feel as though most college basketball fans could typically agree with that. I think that the rest of the list is pretty bad though.

Tier 3 needs to just straight up swap LSU, Maryland, and Wisconsin with Notre Dame, Marquette, and Texas from tier 6 and honestly you can argue about leaving off LSU altogether.

USF's historical success is long enough ago where you can leave them off too in the same bucket as Penn and Holy Cross and then slide Cal into the historical success line.

And then you still have a line 6 that includes Oregon State, Wichita State, and Stanford which is dubious at best and in the case of Oregon State just silly when you've left off Xavier, Tennessee, Wake Forest, or even Pitt.

But at least it's something to argue about.

Indeed -- really looking forward to having some real basketball to argue about.

 

[FireballZ]

I wouldn’t put Syracuse in the elite category all time either. For me, to get into that club you need to have multiple titles. if not for one of the best CBB players in the last 25 years dropping in for a year and getting them a banner, they’d still be sitting on zero.

I'm surprised a UConn guy such as yourself would have such a viewpoint!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

What is interesting is no matter how "blue" the blood is, coaching matters.

Look at UCLA. Look at Indiana post Knight. Look at UNC when they hired the disaster known as Matt Doherty. UK with Billy Gillespie. We shall see now Duke post K. Kansas has made mostly strong hires.

But just like football, basketball's elite and the bluest of blues is just a bad hire away from mediocrity. The difference is, they usually can recover. Though you have to question Indiana now because they haven't recovered.

 

[Pitt79]

Blue Bloods
Duke
UK
KU
UNC

Almost Blue Bloods
Gonzaga
Nova
MSU
Indiana
OSU
Lou
Syr
Az
Mich
UCLA
UVa
Baylor

Next level:
just about every one else

If it's an ALL TIME list UCLA is clearly blue blood.