Collier.......Illegal Screens

[Chescat]

The game was soooo bad
today, I'll try not to comment.
Anyway, DT said it all in
his DRIBBLES.

Yesterday there was a
discussion on Collier
and his screening
technique. Gary, did
you observe Collier
today? He was caught
TWICE doing the exact
same thing....leaning in
to the player he was
screening, and lifting
his arms in a blocking
motion. Once at around
12 min. and again around
10 min. Both times he
was whistled for a foul.
I can't believe Capel or
his assistants didn't
correct this. Oh wait!
I can believe it.

 

[gary2]

The game was soooo bad
today, I'll try not to comment.
Anyway, DT said it all in
his DRIBBLES.

Yesterday there was a
discussion on Collier
and his screening
technique. Gary, did
you observe Collier
today? He was caught
TWICE doing the exact
same thing....leaning in
to the player he was
screening, and lifting
his arms in a blocking
motion. Once at around
12 min. and again around
10 min. Both times he
was whistled for a foul.
I can't believe Capel or
his assistants didn't
correct this. Oh wait!
I can believe it.

My only point was that seal offs or clearing a path should be called every bit as much as moving screens.

 

[Chescat]

My only point was that seal offs or clearing a path should be called every bit as much as moving screens.

Yes, and that's a good
"point." I watched for it
yesterday. What you're saying
occured any numer of times.
Refs tend to let that stuff
go unless it's overly
aggressive.

 

[gary2]

Yes, and that's a good
"point." I watched for it
yesterday. What you're saying
occured any numer of times.
Refs tend to let that stuff
go unless it's overly
aggressive.

Put me down as against that attitude.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

At least he’s trying to contribute, he’s just not reacting fast enough .

 

[tps48]

The game was soooo bad
today, I'll try not to comment.
Anyway, DT said it all in
his DRIBBLES.

Yesterday there was a
discussion on Collier
and his screening
technique. Gary, did
you observe Collier
today? He was caught
TWICE doing the exact
same thing....leaning in
to the player he was
screening, and lifting
his arms in a blocking
motion. Once at around
12 min. and again around
10 min. Both times he
was whistled for a foul.
I can't believe Capel or
his assistants didn't
correct this. Oh wait!
I can believe it.

He might be able to get better if he had a coach. Heck, this team may be better with no coaching staff at all. No coaching would be an improvement over the current staff.

 

[MalvernPanther]

At least he’s trying to contribute, he’s just not reacting fast enough .

I’d also place more of the blame on the guards not being patient enough to let the play get started

 

[Chescat]

At least he’s trying to contribute, he’s just not reacting fast enough .

He really is trying! In fact
he hustles his ass off. He
is limited, and that hurts
him. No question about
his effort though.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Its learning curve. A lot of the bigmen who have come through struggle w this when they first start playing.

 

[DT_PITT]

I’d also place more of the blame on the guards not being patient enough to let the play get started

In a few cases this may be true. But what Noah keeps doing is running up to the guy he’s screening and making contact with them before he’s set. This is an area of emphasis and will get one called for a foul almost every time.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

In a few cases this may be true. But what Noah keeps doing is running up to the guy he’s screening as making contact with them before he’s set. This is an area of emphasis and will one called for a foul almost every time.

This is how you learn , by making mistakes .

 

[gary2]

This is how you learn , by making mistakes .

Then by all:means give Capel another year.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Frankly this isn’t a college level issue .
Sure they should correct it -
But literally in 8th grade we practiced this

 

[PittPharm2002]

In a few cases this may be true. But what Noah keeps doing is running up to the guy he’s screening as making contact with them before he’s set. This is an area of emphasis and will one called for a foul almost every time.

Two issues -
He sticks a leg out - which is getting the foul call (too wide a stance )
Then he rushes out of it (isn’t staying set )
I’m sure even young Sam’s coaches tell them to get set, then roll out .
(Granted I’m not sure how old
Your son is )
But it’s really a middle school fundamental .
As a guy never blessed with athleticism - maybe I lack patience for this mistakes /
Because all I had was hustle and execution to rely on

 

[DT_PITT]

Two issues -
He sticks a leg out - which is getting the foul call (too wide a stance )
Then he rushes out of it (isn’t staying set )
I’m sure even young Sam’s coaches tell them to get set, then roll out .
(Granted I’m not sure how old
Your son is )
But it’s really a middle school fundamental .
As a guy never blessed with athleticism - maybe I lack patience for this mistakes /
Because all I had was hustle and execution to rely on

Plus a screener can’t initiate contact.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Then by all:means give Capel another year.

Well , you know hopefully he‘s learning how to recruit to Pitt . So far he’s been a slow learner !

 

[PittPharm2002]

Plus a screener can’t initiate contact.

Absolutely -
Should have been more explicit about being set.

 

[DT_PITT]

My only point was that seal offs or clearing a path should be called every bit as much as moving screens.

Those tend to fall into a similar category as boxing out. Watching for offensive fouls on screens are an area of emphasis for officials this year (last few years actually).

 

[gary2]

Those tend to fall into a similar category as boxing out. Watching for offensive fouls on screens are an area of emphasis for officials this year (last few years actually).

I am not happy with how boxing out is called either. Too much hands extended behind your back encompassing your man and powerful and aggressive backing out.

If you are going to allow this, you should allow the man on defense to discard.

in my opinion, clearing a path by initiating contact or backing out by initiating contact, should be called as fouls ever bit as much as moving screens.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Those tend to fall into a similar category as boxing out. Watching for offensive fouls on screens are an area of emphasis for officials this year (last few years actually).

If you use your elbows or arms instead of using your butt- you’re going to get whistled .
You can’t gain an advantage over someone already in position.

I’ll stop soap boxing- but these are just lazy fouls we pickup regularly .
Gotta do the work

 

[DT_PITT]

I am not happy with how boxing out is called either. Too much hands extended behind your back encompassing your man and powerful and aggressive backing out.

If you are going to allow this, you should allow the man on defense to discard.

in my opinion, clearing a path by initiating contact or backing out by initiating contact, should be called as fouls ever bit as much as moving screens.

Take it up with J.D. Collins.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

I’d also place more of the blame on the guards not being patient enough to let the play get started

Bingo. It's been four years of that crap!!

 

[Chescat]

If you use your elbows or arms instead of using your butt- you’re going to get whistled .
You can’t gain an advantage over someone already in position.

I’ll stop soap boxing- but these are just lazy fouls we pickup regularly .
Gotta do the work

It's not soap boxing at all
You're right, it's learned
early. The bottom line is
set, and stay still. You move.
lean, raise your arms, stick
a leg out, whatever.....the
ref will probably call it. If
he doesn't, you're lucky.
A good ref who knows the
game can detect incidental
contact and maybe let it
go. Of course then others
are going to scream the refs
are being inconsistent, The
answer on that, get a feel
for how they're calling the
game. Good coaches get a
"feel" and instruct their
players accordingly. It ain't
always "black and white."