Conner Should Have Sat Out Game
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Sure, every year everyone should sit out, play no games, just have a 4 team tourney of Bama, tOSU, USC and ND and make sure nobody gets hurt, base the NFL draft on College recruit ratings from 4 years earlier.
Now he gets to go to the NFL with a concussion on his resume. Hooray for him.
I wouldn't care if any player say out. It's their life and livelihoods at the end of the day. This is just something I watch.
I wouldn't care if any player say out. It's their life and livelihoods at the end of the day. This is just something I watch.
Do you want a post season of only 4 teams? I would agree with you if you're calling for a playoff of 16-24 or 32 teams. if not, then why play at all. just train for the draft and don't play at all, the 12th game of the regular season might lead to injury.
Like it or not, this may be where we are headed unless and until University football programs share their wealth with players. Just Econ 101.
The coaching staff was quite possibly being extra careful with him and Peterman. No reason for either of them to take any chances at that point.
He didn't hurt his draft status. At. All.
It's not like he has a history of concussions. With that in mind, it's not like this was an ACL
It's not like he has a history of concussions. With that in mind, it's not like this was an ACL
It was mcl. He just needs to post numbers at combine. That will be where he makes or breaks it. The 40 time in particular.
Actually, your playoff idea is worse.
More games equals more chances to get hurt.
And it won't take long for players to realize that a collegiate title isn't worth the risk of potentially losing millions of NFL dollars.
yes, NFL execs and draft experts after seeing his 5 carries or whatever and being knocked out with what may or may not be a concussion probably ditched game film and otherd data on him and might have just knocked him off their boards..
OK, then basically as soon as someone is projected to be a top NFL pick, QUIT PLAYING, if you know it week 3, why take the risk, QUIT. Great sport isn't it? CFB is becoming a real joke? Why should 'Bama's top players risk millions playing in the next game? Their sure fire draft picks should quit now too, right? Why risk millions just to touch a glass football?
Sadly, that's probably where the game is headed. Perhaps it's only right given the economics.
Didn't Fournette actually consider that before the season? Same thing with J Clowney a few years ago?
Yeah, I think the day is coming. The Nfl, who is the main culprit, has zero incentive to change the system.
I'll find it fun to watch, personally.
lol, I love when people poorly use logical extremes to justify their positions, with a bonus for the straw man inclusion.
People die in car accidents...guess no one is ever going to drive a car again.
People hate getting fat...guess no one is ever going to eat a cheeseburger again.
Why give workers their paycheck on a Friday...soon workers will only come in to work on Fridays.
Just stop dude, you make all of our Pitt degrees seem less valuable every time you start typing. And btw, players already do what you are talking about. It's called declaring with years of eligibility remaining.
Did you see the 30 for 30 "Youngstown Boys"? Maurice Clarett was an extreme situation, he didn't choose to not play, it was forced on him, but missing 2 years of actually playing, threw off his ability by the time he got to Broncos camp. Truth is, there should just be no limits, FREE MARKET, let kids declare for the draft out of high school, and if they screw up their lives, SO WHAT, it's THEIR FAULT. Don't have them tied to a college ineligible for the draft, when they don't want to risk their potential millions by playing college ball, Let them go pro whenever they want. And if they're left out on the street, no degree, no football who cares?
It cannot be stated enough in this thread, but yesterday's game had zero impact on Conner's draft stock.
Truth is, the overwhelming majority of these kids are coming out of problematic circumstances. A degree from all but all handful of schools with DI programs means nothing for opportunities beyond their college playing days. Those electing to sit out (who have a chance to be drafted in rounds 1-4), are making an entirely rational economic choice. We may wish it were otherwise, but it is not.
Found a good primer on the current CBA and why its critical to get drafted in first 4 rounds. It s guaranteed money. After that, not guaranteed. Notice that .if you arent drafted in rounds 1-4 the signing bonus drops like a rock.
"1. All rookies get paid the minimum of $390,000 IF YOU MAKE THE TEAM. Thats $22, 941 per week for 17 weeks.
2. GUARANTEED CONTRACTS ARE only given to the top 4 rounds, very few/some in round 5. Round 5 and down, the only GUARANTEED money is the signing bonus. YES THAT IS TRUE.
3. Average signing bonus
I may be off by a few percentage points but... you get the scope)
1st - Between $3MM and $10MM depending where in the draft order. Average, lets say, is $5MM
2nd - $1MM to $2.2MM
3rd - $700K
4th - $550K
5th - $ 175K
6th - $50k
7th - $40K
Remember, point number 2. The 4 year rookie contracts being signed, when you get to 5th round and beyond, only GUARANTEED MONEY is the bonus. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TEAM TO GET PAID. Rounds 1-4, it is usually a 2-4 year guarantee. "
"1. All rookies get paid the minimum of $390,000 IF YOU MAKE THE TEAM. Thats $22, 941 per week for 17 weeks.
2. GUARANTEED CONTRACTS ARE only given to the top 4 rounds, very few/some in round 5. Round 5 and down, the only GUARANTEED money is the signing bonus. YES THAT IS TRUE.
3. Average signing bonus
I may be off by a few percentage points but... you get the scope)1st - Between $3MM and $10MM depending where in the draft order. Average, lets say, is $5MM
2nd - $1MM to $2.2MM
3rd - $700K
4th - $550K
5th - $ 175K
6th - $50k
7th - $40K
Remember, point number 2. The 4 year rookie contracts being signed, when you get to 5th round and beyond, only GUARANTEED MONEY is the bonus. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TEAM TO GET PAID. Rounds 1-4, it is usually a 2-4 year guarantee. "
Yea, I agree with this. There is no point in playing for free and risking injury when millions are waiting. Football is a dangerous game. Its nice to play for pride and honor and all that stuff but its financially stupid to do it. I cant wait until a true junior sits out the season because he's not draft eligible yet. Its going to happen.
No. Forgot about Clarett, even if he was a different scenario.
Btw, the NFL doesn't haven't their rule in place to protect the kids. That's just propaganda.
It's there to protect them, so they don't take a chance and draft a 19 year old, give him a bunch of money, and he busts.
This is total bullsh!t. This game will have absolutely zero bearing on Conner's draft stock. His volume of work over his career and what he does in the combine and Pitt pro day will have an impact on where he is drafted. They are not going to punish him for being cheap shotted in the chin.
any college player with nfl aspirations should sit out these bowl games.. Playoff game, play but 99% of these bowls, these guys need to sit these exhibitions out.
Look, if you are sure fire first rounder... GO TO THE NFL. No question about it, college is for improving your chances to make money. I dont mind at all if someone decides to sit out as many games as they want. Personally... if I am the hiring person (The NFL) I see this as a slight negative, but so what really.
HOWEVER... Conner not only wasnt a sure fire top 4 rounds, he needed a good bowl game to cement a top three rounds. That being said, the combine is what separates recruits. Every year we see huge movement in draft stock from the combine. Aaron Donald shot up the charts after the combine
HOWEVER... Conner not only wasnt a sure fire top 4 rounds, he needed a good bowl game to cement a top three rounds. That being said, the combine is what separates recruits. Every year we see huge movement in draft stock from the combine. Aaron Donald shot up the charts after the combine
I think it is a good opportunity for many to be seen by more people. Its ok, but yeah, sure millionaires probably should sit out. DJ may have lost millions yesterday
the negatives outweigh the positives.. NFL scouts don't need to see what Conner or DoJo can do against Northwestern.. I hated seeing college players sitting out bowl games but after this pitt game, its a no-brainer. At first it stinks from a fan's perspective but honestly, get the younger players some game reps.. We all knew what Nate and JC can do, it was cool seeing Ben Dinucci in there. Fans need to get rid of the perception of these bowl games being for seniors/departing players and moreso for the younger guys getting ready for upcoming season.
Why do you think kids have problematic circumstances? Good upbringings make kids more, not less, likely to succeed. Sure exceotuons exist, but the work ethic required to earn a D1 scholarship is a lot easier to have with a good home life than a bad one.
Absolutely. If Conner runs for 250 vs NW, it doesn't move him up 1 spot. His draft place will be decided by his pro day, combine, the tape teams have on him, and his medical reports.
I would hate to see these guys sit out as a fan but I would totally understand why they are doing it.
These bowl games are so stupid and meaningless.
86% of DI athletes live in poverty. I, and I think any reasonable person would, call those "problematic circumstances."
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...tes-poverty-paid-scholarships-ncpa-texas-duke
D1 athletes live just like every other college student, except they get free books, free schooling and access to top trainers, healthcare, nutrition and more perks than we could possibly imagine.
Are big-time fb and bb players undercompensated? Of course. Compared with their peers, poverty isn't a problem.
Love how you call it free when to get those perks they have to spend 40 hours per week in practice, film room, trainers, conditioning, weight lifting, etc. on top of their classes and studying. All while making $30-100+ million for their university. I guess you consider your paycheck "free" also.
your making these kids out to be victims and it just isn't there.. you think the schools are making way too much on them and want them compensated, ok but show me a way to do it without creating a completely ridiculous system that rewards the bigger schools and kills the smaller schools and I might agree..
Every idea I've heard will completely destroy college football as a whole, murder it.. it will benefits about 10-15 schools and demolish the rest.. If you are a pitt fan, just accept the idea that pitt football will cease to exist as we know it. You are cool with that, then fine, pay em.. Get rid of college football and start a completely new, professional feeder league for the nfl.
That's the difference between our arguments. Your position is that it wouldn't be fair to the fans or the schools if players were compensated fairly. It wouldn't cease to exist because there would still be roster limits, so just as many kids would be trying to get just as many scholarships. I don't necessarily want a players to be paid a salary, but their compensation compared to value is insanely poor now that revenues are skyrocketing.
A Pittsburgh kid that stays home and plays for Pitt or PSU is getting a scholarship worth 35k/year. And those are 2 of the most expensive in state publics. The fair market value of a player at Pitt is over 200k and PSU is nearly 400k.
It doesn't have to be a salary, but they need something.
A graduation fund that earns 10-50k per year that pays out when the player graduates to reward kids that get their degree and don't make the NFL.
NCAA mandated 4-year scholarships instead of optional (4-year scholarships were banned until 3-4 years ago, 61% of schools voted against it).
Require schools to cover kids' medical insurance, instead of it being optional.
Give players the rights to their own names/likeness for endorsements. They can't even start a business if their name or likeness is used in any of the promotional material or advertising. Something every other "student" can do.
A cash bonus for players that play in a bowl game. Scolarship NCAA tennis players can earn 10k per year in tournament prize money, why can't football/basketball?
Why play the playoff game? You could get hurt and lose millions.
And at that point, WHY SHOULD THE FANS TRAVEL and spend money to watch the equivilant of NFL preseason games?
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