Could transfers returning home lead to shift in WPIAL recruiting?

[HailToPitt725]

If Jurkovec, McMillon, and Davis (hopefully) light the ACC on fire next year, could it create a shift in WPIAL recruiting for Pitt?

You’d have to think that local players and coaches could see the effect returning home would have on those players and what it means for them. Heck, Devonshire is already a great example of this. Couldn’t hurt to get a few more four star players whenever they come up in our backyard.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

i was hoping Devonshire's story would help us with some of the quippa recruits (especially since they all seem to be related somehow) but that doesnt seem to be the case. not sure what happened with aliquippa but once coach Z left, that pipeline dried up quickly.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

If anything, I might be concerned that it becomes a rite of passage to go test the waters somewhere else because "you can always circle back to Pitt if that doesn't work out."

But I guess it's possible it could help to have a few more former WPIAL stars vouch for the program. I don't think the local 4-star recruiting could get any worse than it is, so I guess it can only go up.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

better late than never

 

[OH Pete]

Does it need to? Seems like we are doing just fine with them after they come to their senses.

 

[HailToPitt725]

If anything, I might be concerned that it becomes a rite of passage to go test the waters somewhere else because "you can always circle back to Pitt if that doesn't work out."

But I guess it's possible it could help to have a few more former WPIAL stars vouch for the program. I don't think the local 4-star recruiting could get any worse than it is, so I guess it can only go up.

This is a good counter-argument. Will be interesting to see if that, in fact, remains the case.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If Jurkovec, McMillon, and Davis (hopefully) light the ACC on fire next year, could it create a shift in WPIAL recruiting for Pitt?

You’d have to think that local players and coaches could see the effect returning home would have on those players and what it means for them. Heck, Devonshire is already a great example of this. Couldn’t hurt to get a few more four star players whenever they come up in our backyard.

No. But we'll get them all back in the portal because they never get off the bench. Kids want to go to PSU, OSU, Mich, ND, or the SEC.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Does it need to? Seems like we are doing just fine with them after they come to their senses.

it's not terrible to get a 20 year old with 2 years of experience under his belt to come to pitt with 2 years left. you get a player who is older, has some experience, isnt dead weight as a freshman redshirting and you only have 2 year scholarship commitment.

I think it's a pretty good set up to be honest. worked great with petrishen, working great with Devonshire. Let them go to the SEC or big 10 and play on their scout team and special teams for a year then come here and step in and play well immediately.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

it's not terrible to get a 20 year old with 2 years of experience under his belt to come to pitt with 2 years left. you get a player who is older, has some experience, isnt dead weight as a freshman redshirting and you only have 2 year scholarship commitment.

I think it's a pretty good set up to be honest. worked great with petrishen, working great with Devonshire. Let them go to the SEC or big 10 and play on their scout team and special teams for a year then come here and step in and play well immediately.

Only thing that's depressing about it is the fact that it feels like these better programs chewed them up and spit them out. Like they're going down an assembly line and marking things as either "quality assured item" or "send back to Pitt."

Whereas at least with high school recruits I can at least make myself believe they were overlooked by the bigger schools.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Only thing that's depressing about it is the fact that it feels like these better programs chewed them up and spit them out. Like they're going down an assembly line and marking things as either "keep" or "send back to Pitt."

well maybe, maybe not. each situation is unique. maybe florida wanted him or Kylan or even Krull to remain on the team but there was a better opportunity here to start vs being a role player. i dont think its a situation of florida or psu or whatever school kicking them off campus, pushing them off to their life's work and we are there to pick them up at the bus stop..

and even if it was, if they are good enough to play here and produce, that's not a big deal. we chewed up and spit out Shockey, he went to somewhere (kent st maybe) and did well. it works both ways.

 

[Seneca_Valley]

it's not terrible to get a 20 year old with 2 years of experience under his belt to come to pitt with 2 years left. you get a player who is older, has some experience, isnt dead weight as a freshman redshirting and you only have 2 year scholarship commitment.

I think it's a pretty good set up to be honest. worked great with petrishen, working great with Devonshire. Let them go to the SEC or big 10 and play on their scout team and special teams for a year then come here and step in and play well immediately.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

well maybe, maybe not. each situation is unique. maybe florida wanted him or Kylan or even Krull to remain on the team but there was a better opportunity here to start vs being a role player. i dont think its a situation of florida or psu or whatever school kicking them off campus, pushing them off to their life's work and we are there to pick them up at the bus stop..

and even if it was, if they are good enough to play here and produce, that's not a big deal. we chewed up and spit out Shockey, he went to somewhere (kent st maybe) and did well. it works both ways.

Yeah, Shocky went to a decidedly lesser school. That's kind of what I mean: I don't want to be decidedly less than Florida; I want to trick myself into thinking we are every bit as talented.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

If anything, I might be concerned that it becomes a rite of passage to go test the waters somewhere else because "you can always circle back to Pitt if that doesn't work out."

That's kind of why I've been against welcoming some of these guys back. But, times have changed and I guess the only thing that matters is helping you win football games ASAP.

If the coaches are big enough to look past the initial snub, with the thought of improving the team, then we probably all should.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

That's kind of why I've been against welcoming some of these guys back. But, times have changed and I guess the only thing that matters is helping you win football games ASAP.

If the coaches are big enough to look past the initial snub, with the thought of improving the team, then we probably all should.

I'm sure Narduzzi has an opinion on all of this behind closed doors that is much different from what we're privy to publicly. But the fact is that Pitt is behind the 8-ball in the NIL game, so they have to take what they can get.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

I'm sure Narduzzi has an opinion on all of this behind closed doors that is much different from what we're privy to publicly. But the fact is that Pitt is behind the 8-ball in the NIL game, so they have to take what they can get.

You two guys are right. It was a bad precedent to let failed locals slink back to their safe room here. Not to mention a demeaning insult. But times have changed and the beggars like us have no alternatives but this. Tiers have been firmly established and we ain’t in the top one, or even the couple below it. It’s sad that these reject transfers from big programs are still by far the best alternatives we have to be our starters (and they definitely will and do start, for the most part).

Increasingly our high school recruits will strictly be lower depth chart types with the portal types taking the starting jobs, rather than filling gaps as they originally had.

Not great for the ego (Duz likely seethes at this, as was mentioned)… but whaddaya gonna do.

 

[Las Panteras]

If anything, I might be concerned that it becomes a rite of passage to go test the waters somewhere else because "you can always circle back to Pitt if that doesn't work out."

But I guess it's possible it could help to have a few more former WPIAL stars vouch for the program. I don't think the local 4-star recruiting could get any worse than it is, so I guess it can only go up.

in my view as a Pitt fan, the benefits far outweigh the disadvantages of taking portal players.

1) We cant sell our program to high school kids as can PSU, OSU, etc as we simply do not have the game day experience. Portal kids have no interest in this.

2) Portal kids are on the back 9 of their careers. If they have any wish to get to the NFL (and I suspect they do), then Pitt offers this route as well (and perhaps) better than anyone. Portal kids HAVE to see this at Pitt

3) Portal kids are plug and play for the most part. I think this should help Pitt maintain as an 8-9 win program year in and out. i do not think Pitt can afford to have a down year (5-7, 6-6) if they wish to solidify as a player in the ACC.

4) It hurst to say this one......but the portal kids probably can be had for less NIL money than a 4-5 star out of high school? If NIL money was avilable to say, D Davis out of High school, could Pitt match an LSU?. Today, as an upperclassmen, a kid like Davis needs to get some tape for the NFL. I would think there would be less $$ if that chance was there.

I dont know......but I cant help but think that the portal is a bonanza for Pitt, as compared to other teams.

 

[DGT1977]

I think if we get Davis or Cephas it could definitely swing some momentum toward Martin or Speca next year

 

[Pitt79]

Only thing that's depressing about it is the fact that it feels like these better programs chewed them up and spit them out. Like they're going down an assembly line and marking things as either "quality assured item" or "send back to Pitt."

Whereas at least with high school recruits I can at least make myself believe they were overlooked by the bigger schools.

But that doesn't mean they suck, maybe at Bama a guy can be 2nd or even 3rd string and can be high quality because he's sitting behind NFL draft picks for years.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You two guys are right. It was a bad precedent to let failed locals slink back to their safe room here. Not to mention a demeaning insult. But times have changed and the beggars like us have no alternatives but this. Tiers have been firmly established and we ain’t in the top one, or even the couple below it. It’s sad that these reject transfers from big programs are still by far the best alternatives we have to be our starters (and they definitely will and do start, for the most part).

Increasingly our high school recruits will strictly be lower depth chart types with the portal types taking the starting jobs, rather than filling gaps as they originally had.

Not great for the ego (Duz likely seethes at this, as was mentioned)… but whaddaya gonna do.

I would imagine that very shortly, Pitt and programs like Pitt will have mostly transfers starting. The under the radar recruits they get who become good will transfer and the ones who do well in the MAC or dont get off the bench in the SEC will come here. The end result for Pitt: Somewhere between 8-4 and 6-6 because that's what we do

 

[Las Panteras]

I think if we get Davis or Cephas it could definitely swing some momentum toward Martin or Speca next year

Did Cephas commit to PSU?

 

[Pitt79]

I would imagine that very shortly, Pitt and programs like Pitt will have mostly transfers starting. The under the radar recruits they get who become good will transfer and the ones who do well in the MAC or dont get off the bench in the SEC will come here. The end result for Pitt: Somewhere between 8-4 and 6-6 because that's what we do

True, so nothing really changes

 

[caleco's]

This 100%

That's kind of why I've been against welcoming some of these guys back. But, times have changed and I guess the only thing that matters is helping you win football games ASAP.

If the coaches are big enough to look past the initial snub, with the thought of improving the team, then we probably all should

 

[redbyrds]

Opposite actually. Easier for a kid to take the NIL cash and move away from home, knowing that has an option to return home if does not work out.

Pitt needs to be selective and not be seen as the last chick at the bar 2AM. Some will be yes due to position need or special talents, but many need to be no we have been fine without you.

 

[caleco's]

Opposite actually. Easier for a kid to take the NIL cash and move away from home, knowing that has an option to return home if does not work out.

Pitt needs to be selective and not be seen as the last chick at the bar 2AM. Some will be yes due to position need or special talents, but many need to be no we have been fine without you.

Dude some of the last chick's at the bar may not be great to look at but wow can they play

Petrishen was a hottie

 

[TD_6082]

Did Cephas commit to PSU?

I don't think so.

The last I read on Dante (per his rep) is that he still isn't close to a decision. Most everything out there seems to speculate he will end up at PSU.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Dude some of the last chick's are the bar may not be great to look at but wow can they play

Petrishen was a hottie

weird?

 

[TD_6082]

Opposite actually. Easier for a kid to take the NIL cash and move away from home, knowing that has an option to return home if does not work out.

Pitt needs to be selective and not be seen as the last chick at the bar 2AM. Some will be yes due to position need or special talents, but many need to be no we have been fine without you.

Point taken, but if the last chick in the bar is really hot, you don't say no.

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Point taken, but if the last chick in the bar is really hot, you don't say no.

If the last chick in the bar is really hot, you're probably in a gay bar.

 

[TD_6082]

If the last chick in the bar is really hot, you're probably in a gay bar.

😂

My reading comprehension is off today. My response to what he said flipped the role of the dude & the chick. redbyrds was 100% right in his analogy. I'm going to step off this thread now.

 

[Upg bobcat]

Joe Burrow couldn't get the starting job at Ohio State, so he transfers to LSU -- and wins a Heisman and National Championship at LSU. Just because someone isn't playing at one of the programs with rosters loaded with highly touted recruits doesn't mean that he cannot help us win.

 

[Pitt79]

Joe Burrow couldn't get the starting job at Ohio State, so he transfers to LSU -- and wins a Heisman and National Championship at LSU. Just because someone isn't playing at one of the programs with rosters loaded with highly touted recruits doesn't mean that he cannot help us win.

Joe Flacco.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I don't think so.

The last I read on Dante (per his rep) is that he still isn't close to a decision. Most everything out there seems to speculate he will end up at PSU.

I have some inside info on this. He's going to PSU if they'll take him. That said, he isn't better than Mumpfield so will probably ride the bench at a P5. Should probably think lower. Like Syracuse, BC, etc.

 

[caleco's]

weird?

You of ALL people . Lolol

 

[TD_6082]

I have some inside info on this. He's going to PSU if they'll take him. That said, he isn't better than Mumpfield so will probably ride the bench at a P5. Should probably think lower. Like Syracuse, BC, etc.

Other than Pitt & PSU, doesn't Dante have offers from schools like Georgia, Miami, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Maryland?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

You two guys are right. It was a bad precedent to let failed locals slink back to their safe room here. Not to mention a demeaning insult. But times have changed and the beggars like us have no alternatives but this. Tiers have been firmly established and we ain’t in the top one, or even the couple below it. It’s sad that these reject transfers from big programs are still by far the best alternatives we have to be our starters (and they definitely will and do start, for the most part).

Increasingly our high school recruits will strictly be lower depth chart types with the portal types taking the starting jobs, rather than filling gaps as they originally had.

Not great for the ego (Duz likely seethes at this, as was mentioned)… but whaddaya gonna do.

It's a different time now. With the portal and the constant player movement, it is inevitable. You don't spite yourself.

 

[Dan1911]

I guess Pitt can be considered a finishing school or football grad school for the local kids.

 

[PittFanHere]

I guess Pitt can be considered a finishing school or football grad school for the local kids.

Which in my mind is OK - picking up local kids or others from programs where they went to school and sat behind higher rated athletes strengthens Pitt and gives those kids a chance to play ball. Let's face it - from a HS recruiting standpoint, lower crowds and taking a 15 minute bus ride to the practice field each way does not appeal to the higher end prospects.

I'm all in favor of kids going to where they can play, and if they make the wrong decision at age 18, why not give them a second shot.

I don't post much, but I have a ball watching these threads.

H2P

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Which in my mind is OK - picking up local kids or others from programs where they went to school and sat behind higher rated athletes strengthens Pitt and gives those kids a chance to play ball. Let's face it - from a HS recruiting standpoint, lower crowds and taking a 15 minute bus ride to the practice field each way does not appeal to the higher end prospects.

I'm all in favor of kids going to where they can play, and if they make the wrong decision at age 18, why not give them a second shot.

I don't post much, but I have a ball watching these threads.

H2P

You sound like a fan of the school to the east when you talk about, “lower crowds and taking a 15 minute bus ride to the practice field each way does not appeal to the higher end prospects”. We hear about kids wanting to play in a pro stadium, and practice next to the Steelers.

 

[PittPharm2002]

I'm sure Narduzzi has an opinion on all of this behind closed doors that is much different from what we're privy to publicly. But the fact is that Pitt is behind the 8-ball in the NIL game, so they have to take what they can get.

You spelled is recruiting poorly wrong

 

[PittPharm2002]

Which in my mind is OK - picking up local kids or others from programs where they went to school and sat behind higher rated athletes strengthens Pitt and gives those kids a chance to play ball. Let's face it - from a HS recruiting standpoint, lower crowds and taking a 15 minute bus ride to the practice field each way does not appeal to the higher end prospects.

I'm all in favor of kids going to where they can play, and if they make the wrong decision at age 18, why not give them a second shot.

I don't post much, but I have a ball watching these threads.

H2P

You understand these kids don’t live in dorms and walk to practice at other schools , right ?!?
That’s silly