Dartmouth 45% 3 PT shooter has close connection to Pitt

[Sean Miller Fan]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

 

[HOF Coach]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

Hugley?

 

[pittjas]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

Is Hugley redshirting or what?

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

If we really we want this kid, then you’d hope O’Toole can land him.

 

[BigZeke]

If we really we want this kid, then you’d hope O’Toole can land him.

One thing I’ve learned in all my years as a Pitt fan is that this kid could be HCJC’’s biological son and Pitt wouldn’t be a slam dunk to land him. Just sayin...H2P!

 

[HOF Coach]

One thing I’ve learned in all my years as a Pitt fan is that this kid could be HCJC’’s biological son and Pitt wouldn’t be a slam dunk to land him. Just sayin...H2P!

Amen...

 

[gary2]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

Johnson. 28 Barry 12
Horton. 28. Barry 12
Champanie 28 Odukale. 12
Jeffress. 20. Toney 20 OR Toney. 28. Collier. 12
Coulibaly 20 Hugley. 20

 

[Protes]

One thing I’ve learned in all my years as a Pitt fan is that this kid could be HCJC’’s biological son and Pitt wouldn’t be a slam dunk to land him. Just sayin...H2P!

And this one is not a slam dunk. He made it pretty clear he wants to start and go to the Big Dance. I'm not sure we can offer him either of those opportunities.

 

[Drew1208]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

Settle down goofball.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Is Hugley redshirting or what?

Forgot him. I think he's the starter.

Hugley 22 AKC/Brown 18

 

[Elsalvador]

I'm right there with ya @Protes
Wants to start AND play in March Madness? Probably not happening here unfortunately. His other suitors may not offer it either, so we shall see. It's tough for Capel to sell that to a Grad Transfer. We have Johnson and Horton. There's probably 15+-20 however minutes available, but not as the starter.

 

[Drew1208]

I'm right there with ya @Protes
Wants to start AND play in March Madness? Probably not happening here unfortunately. His other suitors may not offer it either, so we shall see. It's tough for Capel to sell that to a Grad Transfer. We have Johnson and Horton. There's probably 15+-20 however minutes available, but not as the starter.

Yeah he basically is saying he wants certain amount of minutes, you can't guarantee that to anyone.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'm right there with ya @Protes
Wants to start AND play in March Madness? Probably not happening here unfortunately. His other suitors may not offer it either, so we shall see. It's tough for Capel to sell that to a Grad Transfer. We have Johnson and Horton. There's probably 15+-20 however minutes available, but not as the starter.

One thing I’ve learned in all my years as a Pitt fan is that this kid could be HCJC’’s biological son and Pitt wouldn’t be a slam dunk to land him. Just sayin...H2P!

If we won 2-3 more ACC games, we could sell the NCAAT legitimately.

 

[Elsalvador]

That end-of-season slide was disastrous. Was sitting at 6-7 and we had hope. Why do you do this to us Pitt?!?

 

[Ronnyp91]

And this one is not a slam dunk. He made it pretty clear he wants to start and go to the Big Dance. I'm not sure we can offer him either of those opportunities.

Pretty ambitious for a guy who missed all of last season with an injury...

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Yeah he basically is saying he wants certain amount of minutes, you can't guarantee that to anyone.

A kid coming from that annual powerhouse bb school doesn’t demand anything transferring to an ACC school . He comes in and proves he deserves minutes .

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

One thing I’ve learned in all my years as a Pitt fan is that this kid could be HCJC’’s biological son and Pitt wouldn’t be a slam dunk to land him. Just sayin...H2P!

I’m not counting any chickens. Trust me.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

Injured so he did not play last season. As a result, we do not know if, or to what degree 45% on 3s translates to the new further out 3 point line. Coaches would need to watch a lot of film on that issue.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...dan-barry-dartmouth-grad-transfer-connection/

Tim O'Toole is his godfather!

Lead the Ivy in assist to TO ratio and 3 point percentage.

Said he only played the point at Dartmouth. I like the sounds of this kid..........especially if Toney ends up leaving. We can put him at the 1, Johnson at the 2, Horton at the 3.

Even if Toney comes back, I'd still play this kid a lot at the point.

PG Johnson 23 Barry 17
SG Horton 24 Johnson 10 Okudale 6
SF Toney 24 Horton 6 Champagnie 10
PF Champagnie 20 Jeffress 20
C AKC 22 Brown 18

Jeffress 20 mins at the game as a 4 man. LOL.

 

[Drew1208]

Jeffress 20 mins at the game as a 4 man. LOL.

Lol what do expect from smf?

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Need help at 1. Horton at the 3?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Injured so he did not play last season. As a result, we do not know if, or to what degree 45% on 3s translates to the new further out 3 point line. Coaches would need to watch a lot of film on that issue.

He shot 45% 3 years in a row. Its safe to say he is an elite shooter.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

He shot 45% 3 years in a row. Its safe to say he is an elite shooter.

is it safe to say the guys guarding him in the ivy league aren't nearly as athletic as the guys that'll guard him in the ACC?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

is it safe to say the guys guarding him in the ivy league aren't nearly as athletic as the guys that'll guard him in the ACC?

Of course but its the coaches and players job to get a shooter like that open. There's hundreds of unathletic shooters who excel at the major D1 level. I'm surprised nobody has said he cant play D yet.

 

[Drew1208]

Of course but its the coaches and players job to get a shooter like that open. There's hundreds of unathletic shooters who excel at the major D1 level. I'm surprised nobody has said he cant play D yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'd definitely take him.
I just don't know we can guarantee what he wants.

 

[HAIL2PITT24]

Johnson. 28 Barry 12
Horton. 28. Barry 12
Champanie 28 Odukale. 12
Jeffress. 20. Toney 20 OR Toney. 28. Collier. 12
Coulibaly 20 Hugley. 20

Toney isn't staying to play 20 minutes a game. Jeffrees will only get minutes as the season goes on. He's still only 17. Femi is only playing the PG/SG for Pitt. They have no depth there. Pitt's forward depth would be good with drumgoole, jeffrees, and collier.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Toney isn't staying to play 20 minutes a game. Jeffrees will only get minutes as the season goes on. He's still only 17. Femi is only playing the PG/SG for Pitt. They have no depth there. Pitt's forward depth would be good with drumgoole, jeffrees, and collier.

Depthwise, they have reasonably talented bodies but literally no proven production at this level.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Also why wouldn't Justin and X play starters minutes? 32-34.

 

[thom67]

Don't get me wrong, I'd definitely take him.
I just don't know we can guarantee what he wants.

If he makes over 40% from 3, he will get all the minutes he wants.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Champagnie and X will play over 30 mins a game and Horton (if as advertised) should too. You’re not taking your best players off the floor just to try and keep people out of their feelings. For 21-22, you might as well know now 2 of the dudes on the 20 roster will transfer regardless. Just CBB as it is now. Toney hopefully improves his shooting a bit and you play him 30 plus a game as well. The 5 is the only minutes where it shouldn’t be up for grabs. You split the other minutes up between 2-3 Guys. 7-8 men play then u have 1 or 2 Fillers in a pinch.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

And just to throw further "shade" onto this hypothetical minutes of PT debate--

What if Capel decides, since he will have more so many bigs available, to switch from predominantly a 1-4 style to a 2-3 style to get more size and rebounding on the floor? It may seem highly unlikely right now but it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility. If he did that, it would throw this entire debate "into a cocked hat" as that old time expression goes.

And, even if he stays 100% with his 1-4 arrangement, all post minutes likely won't be entirely divided between Brown and Hugley with just a very few for Coulibaly--except maybe in November-December. Some minutes will be found for Amadasun (although they could be only garbage time minutes) and Collier most likely will have to get more PT, and quality PT, than Amadasun--although some/all of what he gets would likely be at forward. The minutes traffic jam at forward which the prognostications in this thread already have (especially on the assumption that Jeffress commits) will become even worse with Collier minutes added.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

And just to throw further "shade" onto this hypothetical minutes of PT debate--

What if Capel decides, since he will have more so many bigs available, to switch from predominantly a 1-4 style to a 2-3 style to get more size and rebounding on the floor? It may seem highly unlikely right now but it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility. If he did that, it would throw this entire debate "into a cocked hat" as that old time expression goes.

And, even if he stays 100% with his 1-4 arrangement, all post minutes likely won't be entirely divided between Brown and Hugley with just a very few for Coulibaly--except maybe in November-December. Some minutes will be found for Amadasun (although they could be only garbage time minutes) and Collier most likely will have to get more PT, and quality PT, than Amadasun--although some/all of what he gets would likely be at forward. The minutes traffic jam at forward which the prognostications in this thread already have (especially on the assumption that Jeffress commits) will become even worse with Collier minutes added.

It’s a ridiculous notion to believe 10-11 guys will be getting minutes come ACC play. If there is, prepare for another bad ACC season. We need our stars to step up and play 30 + minutes or we’re gonna be in major trouble.

 

[pittfan57]

I think the minutes will be open to competition as it should be. Many of these guys are fairly close talent wise, those who translate that talent to the game will play

 

[gary2]

Toney isn't staying to play 20 minutes a game. Jeffrees will only get minutes as the season goes on. He's still only 17. Femi is only playing the PG/SG for Pitt. They have no depth there. Pitt's forward depth would be good with drumgoole, jeffrees, and collier.

Toney is big enough OR good enough to play 30 minutes at the 4. Toney is the 4 not Justin, even though Justin out rebounds him by a bunch.

Jeffress has the potential to be a much better player.

 

[gary2]

Also why wouldn't Justin and X play starters minutes? 32-34.

You don't get an experienced 3rd guard unless he gets the 24 Murphy was getting pre concussion.

You are probably right about Justin. Odukale probably only plays to provide defense if Justin is really struggling on defense.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

Of course but its the coaches and players job to get a shooter like that open. There's hundreds of unathletic shooters who excel at the major D1 level. I'm surprised nobody has said he cant play D yet.

that's where you're wrong and don't get it. these kids don't get wide open looks everytime - it's impossible. most of their looks have someone closing out or its contested.

I know plenty of 6'1" guys that can shoot over 40% from deep. dead eye shooters but if you get them into a game they get clamped up.

Obviously this kid is athletic to a certain extent, but it's not shooting practice out there. you need to be able to make contested jump shots in this league.

 

[PittFamily2]

This kid:
- plays for a bad Ivy team, in a so-so Ivy League.
- as a whole Ivy players aren't very good
- in general Ivy players aren't very tall so its easier to shoot over them
- most Ivy players aren't the most athletic.
They don't need to be athletic as they accept investment banking jobs, Corporate jobs, and open law, and medical offices.

If this is good news I cant wait for the bad news!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This kid:
- plays for a bad Ivy team, in a so-so Ivy League.
- as a whole Ivy players aren't very good
- in general Ivy players aren't very tall so its easier to shoot over them
- most Ivy players aren't the most athletic.
They don't need to be athletic as they accept investment banking jobs, Corporate jobs, and open law, and medical offices.

If this is good news I cant wait for the bad news!

I liked that Loyola (MD) lacrosse player who transferred to play PG for Northwestern after not having played basketball for 4 years. He fit in fine at the major D1 level. Maybe this Dartmouth kid isnt quite as good but he'll be ok in the ACC. Most ACC teams have a player like him.

 

[PittFamily2]

I liked that Loyola (MD) lacrosse player who transferred to play PG for Northwestern after not having played basketball for 4 years. He fit in fine at the major D1 level. Maybe this Dartmouth kid isnt quite as good but he'll be ok in the ACC. Most ACC teams have a player like him.

Yes they do to!
For handing out the towels and keeping track of statistics since Ivy kids know math.

Its amazing thread after thread, post after post, about how PITT doesnt have ACC caliber players.

This doesn't seem like a good use of a roster spot.

 

[FrogmoreZeke]

A kid coming from that annual powerhouse bb school doesn’t demand anything transferring to an ACC school . He comes in and proves he deserves minutes .

EXACTLY!!!!!!