that's one year, a fluke. under Duzzer, we are 8-4 in front of 28,000 empty seats. that's the truth more than your narrative..
David Tepper sets record with big commitment to the Panthers!
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We will never agree, but the coach and stadium are really the only two things that can change things. Tepper can endow the entire football program right now, and nothing would change. It wouldn't help Pitt to hire a better coach and wouldn't help Pitt to recruit better players. Pitt would just have more money to use for building up other sports. It would be a budget relieving gift to the athletic department.
We have 100 years of evidence to demonstrate that neither the stadium nor font nor colors will elevate the program .
It’s about the fan base.
You’ll find some other windmill to tilt at in time
And every dollar that Pitt isn’t spending on scholarships is more money in the war chest to hire good coaches.
Guys like him don't get to be guys like him by investing foolishly. And they don't give the time of day to guys like any of us.
We have done a good job fracturing the fanbase with stadium, uniform and color changes. Just look at this thread. The fans didn't do that. The Pitt admin did. And again. And again. And again. It really is amazing. All Pitt fans want is the same as what other fans want. A stadium to call their own and a consistent look that they like and identify with. It shouldn't be difficult. But... Pitt.
You continuously fail to recognize the plainly obvious.
The things you lament and obsess over are peripheral and not important.
Your perpetual defeated blame game
Is boring.
playing at a rent-a-stadium is not peripheral. it's just that it's not a priority because of too many obstacles.. it being to hard to acquire doesn't make it peripheral. Peripheral is stripes on pants and yellow vs gold vs hkaki
Playing on campus for 100 years demonstrates it is.
The building isn’t a variable
Just so we are clear:
Baylor had an on-campus stadium. The Houston Astros owner built them a new one at a time when Baylor football was a laughing stock and couldn't fill most HS stadiums. But, he might not be a dummy for doing that.
The Pitt Panthers do not have a stadium, have possibly the worst gameday atmosphere in the P5 due to the amount of empty yellow seats but the Carolina Panthers would definitely be a dummy for building them a new stadium.
Right?
Don’t kid yourself....The stadium issue is a contributing problem... it’s a negative recruiting tool and much like Nutting’s approach to free agency is a barometer in people’s eyes as regards Pitt’s commitment to FB
It takes a negative recruiting argument away from Pitt’s competitors.... Pitt’s not having its own stadium makes it look like a third class operation
You keep bringing up lack of success playing on campus as if it helps your argument. It doesn't.
Baylor is located in the middle of nowhere with not a hill insight you can't compare the two situations. Also their stadium is located across the Brazos River from the campus and is surrounded by parking lots.
Sorry but the sports teams should be way down the list when it comes to big money donations from billionaires.
Wrong. Tepper won't build them a stadium, and there's no place in Oakland. we don't have a falling-down stadium anymore. there is no Pitt Field of Dreams.. The Rooneys control the pols.
Ok. Imagine that Tepper endowed the entire group of scholarship football players for $XXX million. What does Pitt football do next?
Thank him, increase spending on coaching and recruiting , facility upgrades.
It’s a whole lot of free capital.
Seriously- if someone say pays off your student loans,mortgage, car payment - and essentially makes you liquid-
You aren’t going to reinvest al that found money into something else?
As a fan base, can't we just be grateful or do we just prefer to be negative about everything?
Pitt would invest it in other athletic programs, and probably end the subsidity from the University. Not much would change with the football program. A stadium actually gives them a chance to improve the program itself.
How?
Are the dimensions different?
Are coaches and players able to perform better in a different building?
Why did Pitt stink in its own stadium 80% of the time?
You’re not a rational person.
Why are you renting when buying a house you will never pay for for decades gives you a better chance of success?
A new stadium may very well not improve the on-field product. However, 40K people in a 45K seat building will greatly improve the gameday atmosphere. With a better atmosphere, the hope will be we can land 1-2 players who decided against Pitt in the past mostly due to a pathetic gameday atmosphere. Maybe those end up being difference-making players, maybe not. But a better atmosphere gives us a little better chance at recruiting.
Now, should we spend a half billion to improve recruiting a little? No. We should spend the half billion because we are in the AC effing C and its embarrassing as sh!t to play in a 70K seat building with 35K empty seats 80% of the time. If we want to play big-time sports, make the commitment. There's no reason why Pitt is one of only 3 FBS schools that isnt at least studying an OCS
Just trying to understand. McLane was not dumb because there was land available in Waco? Because land was available, the $250 million he spent wasn't dumb?
But it would be dumb for Tepper to give us $250 million because $50-$100 million would have to go towards buying buildings and demolishing them.
I'm just trying to figure out the difference as to why McLane was no dummy for gifting $250 million for which he will not see a penny back from other than from Uncle Sam. As you know, McLane or Tepper building college stadiums are not investments, they are gifts.
In your own words, "playing on campus for 100 years demonstrates" that Pitt has been more successful on campus. They averaged a national title every 10 years, on campus. Haven't done squat in 18 seasons off campus.
Your renting vs owning analogy is odd, considering that Pitt is essentially doing the opposite of your suggestion.
They stunk 80% of the time because they hired lousy ADs and coaches and ran the program on a shoe string.....99% of the power 5 conference schools own their own on-campus stadiums...we know you're smarter than the administrators at some of the best colleges in the US, chemist.....NOT!
They averaged 1 national championship every 60 years in modern history.
You’re silly.
You brought up the 100 years of Pitt history. Now it's silly?
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I made a typo. My post should have read "You brought up the 100 years of Pitt history. Now it's silly?"
So the question remains, you used the 100 years of data to help your argument, but when I pointed out that Pitt had been quite successful playing on campus for 100 years, it suddenly became "silly".
The evidence is quite strong, in fact. Pitt claims a national championship every 10 seasons playing on campus. If you want to argue that their success was inconsistent, fine, I don't disagree. But that inconsistency is likely due to Pitt meddling with something good, which is ultimately what led to them not renovating Pitt Stadium and moving off campus.
My point remains. Pitt could fundraise to endow every single football scholarship and coaching position, and the result wouldn't change much. The already bring in plenty of money to support the program. The savings would go to supporting other sports and eliminating the University subsidy of athletics.
I didn't comment on the Waco incident because it is irrelevant. Who are we to judge Baylor's wants, needs or fiscal decisions.?
The cost to build is probably up to $500 million for Pitt. It cost about $115 large to build the Pete on land Pitt already loaned.....20 years ago. If Tepper has a big number he'd like to give to Pitt, I'd suggest it go to breast cancer research, not a stadium we don't NEED.
And I thought a campus stadium was supposed to be an investment??? Are you saying that it wouldn't pay for itself?? However financed, it's a freaking money-loser in this town.
What would be very beneficial with a guy like Tepper or any other huge donor, is not endowing a scholarship, but having them ensure a coach doesn't leave because of salary. I know for a fact when WVU was looking at Huggins, I think there was concern over salary issues, and I believe the owner of the Arizona DBacks is a WVU grad and he wrote the check to get Huggy home.
