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Dodd has been saying ND will HAVE to join a conference for a decade now. He has written 3 articles about it and it still hasn't happened. I think it will be years.
 
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25 Things To Watch: Previewing the 2015 college football season
August 31, 2015 1:45 pm

25. Bold prediction: The ACC will add its own network and -- soon -- another team. Hint: A certain nationally known independent.
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...h-previewing-the-2015-college-football-season

??????
FBS Independents
Army?
BYU??
NOTRE DAME???



Are you joking? It's painfully obvious the writer is saying Notre dame.
 
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All Missing Points?

1. Sure Its Notre Dame!
2. ACC Will Need Another Team?
3. ACC Network Makes It Happen!!

What other Team will be joining and will Big Ten and SEC go to 16 Teams too?


I can see the Big-12 breaking up as Pac-12, B-10, and SEC go to 16 Teams?

PAC-12 takes 4 Teams!
BIG-10 Takes 2 Teams!!
SEC Grabs 2 Teams!!!
ACC Takes 1 Team!


BIG-12 BY VALUE ON TV CABLE MARKET, LOCATION, ATTENDANCE:
1. TEXAS
2. OKLAHOMA
3. OKLAHOMA STATE
4. KSU
5. KANSAS
6. TEXAS TECH
7. BAYLOR

8. IOWA STATE
9. TCU
10. WVU

Somebody is left off?
 
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All Missing Points?

1. Sure Its Notre Dame!
2. ACC Will Need Another Team?
3. ACC Network Makes It Happen!!

What other Team will be joining and will Big Ten and SEC go to 16 Teams too?


I can see the Big-12 breaking up as Pac-12, B-10, and SEC go to 16 Teams?

PAC-12 takes 4 Teams!
BIG-10 Takes 2 Teams!!
SEC Grabs 2 Teams!!!
ACC Takes 1 Team!


BIG-12 BY VALUE ON TV CABLE MARKET, LOCATION, ATTENDANCE:
1. TEXAS
2. OKLAHOMA
3. OKLAHOMA STATE
4. KSU
5. KANSAS
6. TEXAS TECH
7. BAYLOR
8. IOWA STATE
9. TCU
10. WVU

Somebody is left off?
looks bleak for cc!
 
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Dodd has been saying ND will HAVE to join a conference for a decade now. He has written 3 articles about it and it still hasn't happened. I think it will be years.

One thing that may be causing some concern for the ND hierarchy at this point in time is potential for playoff access. The CFP format just started last year, of course. Right now, ND can only play 12 games before the bowls or CFP. Not being in a conf. with a CCG, they have to directly compete for selection against 4 conf. champion teams that play a 13th game (and that 13th game is a CCG against what is typically a very high profile and potentially very highly ranked opponent, and that can resonate heavily with the selection committee) before the bowls for an opportunity to make the 4 team CFP.

There is even some sentiment and rumbling from some P5 conf. member schools (Gary Pinkel of Mizzou was widely quoted on this recently) that to be eligible to be selected for the playoff, that a school should have to be a conf. member. Not sure that will ever fly (but who knows if they would all decide to gang up against ND what they might be able to accomplish?), but the extra game that is played by the conf. champions of the 4 leagues in the P5 that have CCG's (ACC, B1G, PAC12, SEC) could very well hurt ND's chances if it came to that. That additional game and win was a primary reason used to justify 12 - 1 tOSU getting picked for the CFP over 11 - 1 TCU & Baylor last season when the Buckeyes were behind those 2 in the rankings before they ravaged Wisc. in the B1G CCG. Because the Big XII has no CCG, BU and TCU had no opportunity to play the extra game.
 
Assume ND runs the table...

Not getting in over an Ohio State team with one loss and a conference championship.
Probably not getting in over a Pac 12 team that wins the conference and doesn't play ND. Especially if said Pac 12 team is also undefeated.
Sure not getting in over an SEC team.

That leaves the ACC. How do you think that sits if the ACC is shut out because of ND?
 
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Other question I have is how does the ACC take just one team? I'll hang up and listen...

I don't think ND is joining the ACC anytime soon in football. But if they did, and the conference championship deregulation comes to pass, why can't they not just take one team and have no divisions?
 
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It would have to be ND unless Texas leaves the Big XII. Navy just joined the AAC on July 1st. ND is contractually bound to join only the ACC until 2027. It would be easy to merge the ND network into the ACC network and split the costs and games between ESPN and NBC.

BTW, congratulations on getting your script Pitt back!
 
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Agreed. Nothing has changed nor is projected to change during this season that would make this imminent.

I don't see it either. Something would have to fundamentally change within the larger construct for the Irish to reverse their long-held position of independence above all else.
 
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I don't see it either. Something would have to fundamentally change within the larger construct for the Irish to reverse their long-held position of independence above all else.
Dr. Von, the fundamental change has already happened. The CFPlayoffs is it. Prior to this, all you had really were Bowl's, who got to pick some of their teams. ND is always a high ratings draw, and they so they had favored status. They would often get selected for these bowls over better teams, and even had an advantageous formula that locked them into these big bowls.

They have no such advantage with the CFPs. In fact, as noted, not playing in a conference playoff puts ND and the B12 at a disadvantage. Imagine if they go 11-1 this year and get left out. That could very well happen. A 12-1 team that just beat a team with one, or no losses in a conference championship game would get the nod over an idle ND. Just as the B12 knows it has to make a move after the Baylor and TCU snubs last year, ND sees the writing on the wall as well.

Its not that they've had a change of heart about their cherished independence, they know its becoming less and less tenable. The recent halfway move into the ACC was already an acknowledgment that they know they can't stand alone. And the pressure will only get greater. Its just a matter of time.
 
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I don't see it either. Something would have to fundamentally change within the larger construct for the Irish to reverse their long-held position of independence above all else.
One big thing that could change is a relationship Disney (ESPN,abc) NBC, and Apple have in a little more than one week. There is a lot of speculation going on with Apple entering live sporting events in a big way and NBC would love to become a bigger player in college sports. ESPN is leaking oil here and they are all looking for more revenue streams. The ACC could certainly have more partners than ESPN with Notre Dame added. Comcast gets sports revenue plus their broadband supports streaming on Apple TV and traditional channels. The game is going to change in a big way soon. That Apple box could be your cable box.
 
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15 is a better number for ND than 16. With 15 members the ACC can play an 8 game schedule in FB, allowing ND 4 games to play elsewhere. You divide into 3 5 team divisions.

ACC North:
BC
Louisville
ND
Pitt
Syracuse

ACC Central:
VT
UVA
UNC
NC State
Duke

ACC South:
Clemson
FSU
GT
Miami
Wake

Play a 4-2-2 schedule. You would play everyone in your division every year. Play the other two divisions two each rotating home and away. Every 6 years you get a home and away with everyone and one team in each of the other divisions 4 of 6 years, 2 home 2 away.

In BB play everyone in your division home and away and the other 2 divisions once, alternating home and away every other year. 18 games.

In FB the top 2 division champions play for the title. In BB the division winners are the top 3 seeds.

At 16, you get 4 divisions of 4. That means 9 games to keep a good rotation 3-2-2-2. This would allow a home and home with everyone every 4 years. In BB it is still a 18 game schedule.
 
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Dr. Von, the fundamental change has already happened. The CFPlayoffs is it. Prior to this, all you had really were Bowl's, who got to pick some of their teams. ND is always a high ratings draw, and they so they had favored status. They would often get selected for these bowls over better teams, and even had an advantageous formula that locked them into these big bowls.

They have no such advantage with the CFPs. In fact, as noted, not playing in a conference playoff puts ND and the B12 at a disadvantage. Imagine if they go 11-1 this year and get left out. That could very well happen. A 12-1 team that just beat a team with one, or no losses in a conference championship game would get the nod over an idle ND. Just as the B12 knows it has to make a move after the Baylor and TCU snubs last year, ND sees the writing on the wall as well.

Its not that they've had a change of heart about their cherished independence, they know its becoming less and less tenable. The recent halfway move into the ACC was already an acknowledgment that they know they can't stand alone. And the pressure will only get greater. Its just a matter of time.

I wish I agreed with you. However, I do not.

There is no way and 11-1 Notre Dame team is going to be left out of the four-team playoff. That is simply not going to happen. Their history and tradition will give them an advantage on the perception front amongst the committee.

Don't kid yourself, their popularity will give them an advantage among the ESPN folks, which definitely has a say in the process.

Also, their SOS will be strong by virtue of the fact that they are always playing teams like Stanford and USC in addition to the five ACC schools.

Notre Dame is not going anywhere anytime soon. Again, I would love to be wrong about that but I don't think I am.
 
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One big thing that could change is a relationship Disney (ESPN,abc) NBC, and Apple have in a little more than one week. There is a lot of speculation going on with Apple entering live sporting events in a big way and NBC would love to become a bigger player in college sports. ESPN is leaking oil here and they are all looking for more revenue streams. The ACC could certainly have more partners than ESPN with Notre Dame added. Comcast gets sports revenue plus their broadband supports streaming on Apple TV and traditional channels. The game is going to change in a big way soon. That Apple box could be your cable box.

Well, that could be a fundamental change. I don't know enough about that world to accurately predict how that will turn out?

However, it is going to take something substantial like that to move the Irish off their long-held position that football semi-independence is integral to their brand/institutional identity.
 
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15 is a better number for ND than 16. With 15 members the ACC can play an 8 game schedule in FB, allowing ND 4 games to play elsewhere. You divide into 3 5 team divisions.

ACC North:
BC
Louisville
ND
Pitt
Syracuse

ACC Central:
VT
UVA
UNC
NC State
Duke

ACC South:
Clemson
FSU
GT
Miami
Wake

Play a 4-2-2 schedule. You would play everyone in your division every year. Play the other two divisions two each rotating home and away. Every 6 years you get a home and away with everyone and one team in each of the other divisions 4 of 6 years, 2 home 2 away.

In BB play everyone in your division home and away and the other 2 divisions once, alternating home and away every other year. 18 games.

In FB the top 2 division champions play for the title. In BB the division winners are the top 3 seeds.

At 16, you get 4 divisions of 4. That means 9 games to keep a good rotation 3-2-2-2. This would allow a home and home with everyone every 4 years. In BB it is still a 18 game schedule.

That is very well thought through and I appreciate the work you did on that.

I just have a tough time embracing a three division model. That just screams someone is going to get cheated and with our luck it will be us.

I would be pretty pissed off if a 10-2 or 11-1 Pitt team was left out of its own conference championship because it doesn't have as many traveling fans as Florida State or Clemson. The more subjective you make the stuff the worse it is for schools like ours.
 
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It would have to be ND unless Texas leaves the Big XII. Navy just joined the AAC on July 1st. ND is contractually bound to join only the ACC until 2027. It would be easy to merge the ND network into the ACC network and split the costs and games between ESPN and NBC.

BTW, congratulations on getting your script Pitt back!
ND is contractually bound to join only the ACC until 2027.

Is this true?
 
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I think people missed the point? He's not predicting that Notre Dame is joining the ACC for football. He's predicting that Notre Dame will be going in on a joint ACC / Irish cable network.
 
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I think people missed the point? He's not predicting that Notre Dame is joining the ACC for football. He's predicting that Notre Dame will be going in on a joint ACC / Irish cable network.

Such a move could well be part of the plan.

ND analyzed and vetted things very carefully before deciding to partner with the ACC. And the reciprocal is also true. There are many reasons - financially & philosophically - why the Irish and ACC got together. Think that the relationship that exists now between ND and the ACC is a first step. To what and when only time will tell. Maybe what you are referring to will be another step. If so, it would be a HUGE one, too. We'll see.
 
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I put this up to gather some feedback and as usual not disappointed by the post put up by some well informed and thoughtful Posters on the Lair.

After reading all the comments it is my understanding that only the ACC and ESPN have had more of an exclusive relationship more so than the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 that have already setup their Conference Networks. Noting that SEC and ESPN work close too as well.

So in regards to the ACC switching to NBC, CBS, or FOX
I tend to discount that in hand. Yet, when it comes to Notre Dame's NBC TV Contract and Texas Long Horn Network for that matter, clearly that aspect has to be dealt with, but I suspect that will be with ESPN more than without them? Just an opinion not gospel.


On the other hand, it is my belief that Notre Dame will wait before it joins any Conference until the College Football Playoff is expanded to 6 or 8 Teams in the future. at that time, Notre Dame will see and be able to make a better decision to qualify as an Independent-ACC Related, join the ACC, or consider another Conference.

However, the more comfortable and workable Notre Dame becomes in the ACC the more favorable it will be to join the ACC and being a Top Program that ND would be in the ACC is advantage over competing in SEC or Big-10 Top Programs and ND cares about Academics that favors the ACC.

Moreover, I do see this dependent on what Texas does in the Big-12 as an indication of what can happen. If the Big-12 Expands then that is because Texas approved it, if it doesn't it because Texas is looking at other options down the road just like Notre Dame can always do because these are self-sufficient Revenue Programs.


Keeping that in mind, the ACC is going to proceed with a Network in my opinion regardless so ND will have to be included, consulted, or discussed in any event.

Additionally, this means ND will discuss about what other member it can help attract should it choose that the continued relationship with the ACC should be favored, so bringing in another top program is in the Irish interests, such as Texas!

I say this because ACC Commissioner Swofford is on record that only Texas as an open invitation to the ACC at anytime. Consequently, why not tackle the ND NBC Contract, Texas Long Horn Network, and ACC Network all at the same time with mutual interests for the future???

Yet, never underestimate what ESPN is doing for its own interests and it is still my opinion, that ESPN was working with all Conferences when Expansion was happening anyway. Consequently, again the Big Ten and SEC could make a move on their own before the ACC makes there own.

Finally, I still see Oklahoma also being the wild card in the big-12 and could re-start expansion, they could just make a move anytime, if they get upset that the Big-12 is not expanding because Texas does not want it at this time?

Usually, Reporters keep their ears to the ground as well as often are leaked info for purposes of others, and Dodd does follow various Business and other aspects of College Football. So even if he has been saying that for years, I still think it is relevant and being put out as a echo for others to hear?.


 
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CBS may be able to offer more than ESPN pretty soon. The relationships CBS has with TNT, TBS, CBS Sports, TruTV, etc. may provide a better platform for the ACC than what ESPN can offer.

If you look at it from the perspective of how NBC does the Olympics, they have a huge stable of networks to place games on. Not to mention a sports only vehicle.
 
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Well Captain, maybe you hit the nail on the head. Maybe the ACC is orchestrating a package deal with ND and why not offer Texas a chance to have a ND like arrangement with the conference? Seems unlikely on its face but then again, why not?
Thank you and I really do not have any clue anymore since I no longer follow it like I used to years ago?

Yet, based on what I knew years ago and how things develop and work, I would not be surprised that if the ACC wants a Network, ESPN wants more valuable Revenue Programs that have big followings, plus what better way to eliminate or cooperate or share with a competitor like NBC and LHN?

They could possibly be talking to ND & UT like you say and Swofford is known to accommodate what these Top Schools want and need to join the ACC and more importantly keep them from Big Ten and SEC?

I know Notre Dame would love to have Texas in the conference to, just for recruiting alone! ND is a National Recruiter not just Midwest, and to have Games in Texas, Florida, South, Midwest and Northeast where there is a growing footprint as far as Fans and Population Growth, why wouldn't you want a Texas with you?

Even more, if the ACC is going to work out a deal for ND, just like you say, approach Texas too with the same with the LHN because look what the ACC is getting.......The Number One Revenue Football Program In All Of College Football, Top 5 Cable/TV/Other Subscribers, Rich Recruiting Grounds, Top 15 Attendance and Great Academics!

Now add the Historical Storied Notre Dame that has a National Following and sells out anywhere it plays, Top #2 Winning and #1 Winning Percentage Program, National Titles of All Time, Hall of Famers, All-Americans, and Top Revenues, Attendance, Recruiting and in a Conference with Best Academics that fits ND size and student body selections with other schools like Wake, Duke, GT, Cuse, Miami, and Pitt and that is a Win-Win for the ACC!

Even more important, what a way to stick it to the Big Ten by being smack in middle of the Big Ten without being the smallest schools in the Big Ten and pretty much limits Big Ten Expansion to West Virginia, Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa and isolated hard to reach locations in Texas?

Add in Texas telling SEC go suck an egg and SEC you can keep A&M that abandon Big-12 claiming Texas is the problem, and you have some nice eaten crow and cold like revenge it would become by now joining Notre Dame and Great Academics & Football Traditions and Championships in the ACC in ND, UT, PITT, MIAMI, and FSU!

Finally, this would leave the conferences with these Top Revenue Programs & Winning to promote others in the Conferences:

ACC:
Revenues & Championships
NOTRE DAME
TEXAS
FSU
Championships & History:
PITT
CUSE
MIAMI
Revenues
VT

PAC16:
Revenues & Championships
USC
OKLAHOMA
Revenues
OREGON
STANFORD
ASU

SEC:

Revenues & Championships
BAMA
LSU
FLORIDA
AUBURN
Revenues:
Rest Of SEC Except Vandy


BIG TEN:
Revenues & Championships:
MICHIGAN
OHIO STATE
NEBRASKA

Championships & History:
MSU
Revenues:
PENN STATE
WISCONSIN


If the College Football Playoffs expands to 6 or 8 Teams, NCAA makes some changes, For Profit Four Super CFB League develops, and combining the History of College Football Categories of prior and current Traditions, Championships, Hall of Famers, we could have the FOUR remaining POWER CONFERENCES look like this with more Teams Sharing Revenues and all having 4 Networks that could be rolled into one later!

We shall see if any of this happens down the road?
 
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I wish I agreed with you. However, I do not.

There is no way and 11-1 Notre Dame team is going to be left out of the four-team playoff. That is simply not going to happen. Their history and tradition will give them an advantage on the perception front amongst the committee.

Don't kid yourself, their popularity will give them an advantage among the ESPN folks, which definitely has a say in the process.

Also, their SOS will be strong by virtue of the fact that they are always playing teams like Stanford and USC in addition to the five ACC schools.

Notre Dame is not going anywhere anytime soon. Again, I would love to be wrong about that but I don't think I am.
Dr. Von, If ND goes 11-1 as I proposed, we really can't say whether they would get left out or not, in large part because we don't know the relative quality of 4 other top teams that might be under consideration. I'm just saying that if ND goes 11-1 and DOES get left out, they will feel as helpless and restless to change as TCU and Baylor did this year. Or even imagine if they go 10-2. They won't get in, and they will feel like they had a damn good season. Under the old Bowl system, that would've been enough. And they may watch another 10-2 team grab the fourth spot with a strong victory in their conference championship game, while ND sat home unable to impress the committee with a late season win. Their response would likely be "we've got to get into the system, put ourselves in a position to win a conference championship game", just as the B12 is surely moving towards themselves.

Regarding ESPNs influence, sure, they still have tons of influence of bowl selections, and that will continue to play to ND's advantage. But the playoff committee members are independent. To the extent that they show any biases on close votes, it will probably toward the conference in which they played, coached, cheered for etc., not ND. There is nothing in it for them to pick ND. And ESPN has no leverage with the committee at all. If anyone thinks they do, please specify what that leverage is, because I don't see any.
 
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Don't kid yourself, ESPN is funding the entire operation. Of course they have a lot of sway over the entire process.

Don't give me wrong, I would love for you to be proven right. I would love to see the Irish on Pitt's annual schedule and I think their addition would forever stabilize the ACC.

I just think you're much more trusting of the integrity of this process than I am. I don't see any scenario in which Notre Dame get screwed. That has never, ever happened in my lifetime and I will believe it when I see it.
 
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