Deshaun Watson

[pittmeister]

Believe me, I understand the importance of a top flight QB (See Pitt Football) but, we have to be careful not to mortgage the future for a POSSIBLE short term gain.

We have needs at every position. Giving away draft picks would not be wise. Our DL is aging. We need more depth at the LB position. Haden is getting older. Our OL is in need of upgrading. We need better running backs, TE’s.

On top of that we are going to have cap issues because we’re going to have to start paying people. (I think 10 starters eligible for free agency)

Too many issues to gamble draft picks...

 

[pittbb80]

Watson seems like a good guy and is a Franchise QB. Been a fan of his since his Clemson days.

You'd think it would take a Kings ransom to get him (and it might be worth it because Franchise QBS dont fall of trees) but this is the organization who got rid of Hopkins..............for a song and a dance.....

 

[pittmeister]

Just take some of Ben's and Al's money off the books, restructure some of the bloated contracts or even cut some people(DeCastro, Pouncey, Tuitt) and there you go. I wouldn't invest any time nor money on Mason Rudolph...he's a stiff! He had one good half against the Browns with a depleted secondary and now everyone is all giddy over him.

who’s going to play DeCastro, Pouncey, and Tuitt’s position?

Patriots and 20 other teams want a top QB. Are you willing to try and out bid them at the expense of the rest of the team... Your heart is in the right place, but you’re not thinking this through.,.

 

[pitt90seven]

who’s going to play DeCastro, Pouncey, and Tuitt’s position?

Patriots and 20 other teams want a top QB. Are you willing to try and out bid them at the expense of the rest of the team... Your heart is in the right place, but you’re not thinking this through.,.

don't you know there are no consequences to just cutting veteran NFL players?

 

[303vND]

who’s going to play DeCastro, Pouncey, and Tuitt’s position?

Patriots and 20 other teams want a top QB. Are you willing to try and out bid them at the expense of the rest of the team... Your heart is in the right place, but you’re not thinking this through.,.

You get rookies and or some young players/draft choices to play the positions. I get it's going to take an offer the Steelers that the Steelers don't possess but it's good to dream.

 

[pittdan77]

Believe me, I understand the importance of a top flight QB (See Pitt Football) but, we have to be careful not to mortgage the future for a POSSIBLE short term gain.

We have needs at every position. Giving away draft picks would not be wise. Our DL is aging. We need more depth at the LB position. Haden is getting older. Our OL is in need of upgrading. We need better running backs, TE’s.

On top of that we are going to have cap issues because we’re going to have to start paying people. (I think 10 starters eligible for free agency)

Too many issues to gamble draft picks...

I basically agree with this but you have a SB caliber defense and a talented WR group. Your OL, despite playing poorly, is way better than anything Houston ever put in front of him. The team is set up to win now with one or two minor additions.

Personally, I don't see the Steelers dumping Ben but I don't know too many clubs that would pass on a SB win if they thought they had an inside lane to get there.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Quite a bit. But I read something earlier that his unhappiness stems from not being consulted with the hiring of a new GM.

I know some athletes wield more power now. But I don’t know that someone who thinks like that would be in play with the Stillers.

He stated that he didn't expect them to pick his recommendation but he expected some kind of professional courtesy and not to be dismissed outright. And I get that, especially after that awful Hopkins trade last year where he lost his best weapon when they should have been adding.

I'd take him here in a heartbeat. He helps mask a failing o line and pathetic running game. I don't think we have near the assets, picks or otherwise, to make that happen.

 

[happjack]

I basically agree with this but you have a SB caliber defense and a talented WR group. Your OL, despite playing poorly, is way better than anything Houston ever put in front of him. The team is set up to win now with one or two minor additions.

Personally, I don't see the Steelers dumping Ben but I don't know too many clubs that would pass on a SB win if they thought they had an inside lane to get there.

The Steelers would dump Ben faster than you can say Jack Robinson if they could get Watson.

 

[Rezzo]

He is unhappy and wants out of Houston. How much would you be willing to give up to land him?

Nothing

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

The Steelers would dump Ben faster than you can say Jack Robinson if they could get Watson.

As they should. Ain’t gonna happen but they’d be fools not to make that business decision if it was a possibility.

 

[happjack]

As they should. Ain’t gonna happen but they’d be fools not to make that business decision if it was a possibility.

Yeah, there’s a lot of dumb GM’s and Coaches who’ll trade all of their picks or five 1st rounders for him.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Believe me, I understand the importance of a top flight QB (See Pitt Football) but, we have to be careful not to mortgage the future for a POSSIBLE short term gain.

We have needs at every position. Giving away draft picks would not be wise. Our DL is aging. We need more depth at the LB position. Haden is getting older. Our OL is in need of upgrading. We need better running backs, TE’s.

On top of that we are going to have cap issues because we’re going to have to start paying people. (I think 10 starters eligible for free agency)

Too many issues to gamble draft picks...

We mortgaged the future on deferring ben’s contract

 

[Burgh15]

We mortgaged the future on deferring ben’s contract

I mean, they would've been fine if not for the impending cap issues as a result of the pandemic season.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I mean, they would've been fine if not for the impending cap issues as a result of the pandemic season.

$41mil next year hit is far from fine for 1 player

 

[303vND]

$41mil next year hit is far from fine for 1 player

It’s organizational suicide!

 

[pbrad]

Getting Watson would take a Hershel Walker type trade, and then you have to pay him and hope after 3 years he resigns. As much as I like him the price would be too high.

 

[Burgh15]

$41mil next year hit is far from fine for 1 player

The cap was expected to reach at least $210 million and the Steelers would‘ve been under the cap even with Roethlisberger’s cap hit. Even then and still now would be that he’d either retire or they’d extend his contract by a couple of years to lower the hit.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The cap was expected to reach at least $210 million and the Steelers would‘ve been under the cap even with Roethlisberger’s cap hit. Even then and still now would be that he’d either retire or they’d extend his contract by a couple of years to lower the hit.

20% of your cap for 1 player is not fine
That’s not debatable

Extending him to defer is how they mangled this issue
Everyone pays the piper eventually

 

[bobfree]

Not sold on him. I would rather have our #2

he hasn’t shown you enough but Mason Rudolph has? Specifically what do you like better about Rudolph?

 

[Burgh15]

20% of your cap for 1 player is not fine
That’s not debatable

Extending him to defer is how they mangled this issue
Everyone pays the piper eventually

This is how the Steelers always manage the cap.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The cap was expected to reach at least $210 million and the Steelers would‘ve been under the cap even with Roethlisberger’s cap hit.

That really isn't true. The Stillers "only" have $202.5 million committed to the cap next year, but the problem is that they only have 35 players under contract for next year. And you can't play football in the NFL with only 35 players on your team.

If the cap would have been $210 million next year to be under the cap the Stillers would have had to add 18 players AND account for anyone who ends up on injured reserve and they only would have had $7.5 million to spend. And that just simply does not work. In fact it doesn't even come close to working.

Would $210 million been better than whatever it's going to end up being? Well yeah, sure, obviously so. But they were still going to be in trouble (meaning needing to cut or restructure guys) even if the cap didn't take a hit.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

This is how the Steelers always mis-manage the cap.

I fixed that for you.

The Stillers cap philosophy has always been run by the Wimpy Principle. They will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. But eventually Tuesday gets here and you have to pay. For the Stillers, next year is Tuesday.

 

[Burgh15]

That really isn't true. The Stillers "only" have $202.5 million committed to the cap next year, but the problem is that they only have 35 players under contract for next year. And you can't play football in the NFL with only 35 players on your team.

If the cap would have been $210 million next year to be under the cap the Stillers would have had to add 18 players AND account for anyone who ends up on injured reserve and they only would have had $7.5 million to spend. And that just simply does not work. In fact it doesn't even come close to working.

Would $210 million been better than whatever it's going to end up being? Well yeah, sure, obviously so. But they were still going to be in trouble (meaning needing to cut or restructure guys) even if the cap didn't take a hit.

Actually it is true. It doesn't matter how many they have under contract, they were projected to be under the anticipated cap for next year. That's prior to anyone being released, extended, or restructured which would free up additional space to fill out the rest of the roster. You're acting like the Steelers aren't going to be able to field a team next year. They'll have a full roster. It obviously won't be as talented as it was this year, but they'll have guys on the team.

I fixed that for you.

The Stillers cap philosophy has always been run by the Wimpy Principle. They will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. But eventually Tuesday gets here and you have to pay. For the Stillers, next year is Tuesday.

You may not like how they manage the cap, but it's how they do it. It's worked, but my personal issue with it is they've stopped signing their young up-and-coming players with a year left on their contracts in favor of keeping higher paid veterans on the downsides of their careers. As a result they'll be losing Dupree, JuJu, Conner, and maybe Hilton and Sutton.

It's worked well enough with 5 playoff appearances in the past 7 years and the two times they missed they finished seventh in the AFC. You also have to factor in they were going to do their best to capitalize on each year they had left with Roethlisberger.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Actually it is true. It doesn't matter how many they have under contract, they were projected to be under the anticipated cap for next year. That's prior to anyone being released, extended, or restructured which would free up additional space to fill out the rest of the roster. You're acting like the Steelers aren't going to be able to field a team next year. They'll have a full roster. It obviously won't be as talented as it was this year, but they'll have guys on the team.

It isn't true. Unless YOU think that they are going to field a less than full roster.

If they had no injuries and had no one go on the injured reserve (and we all know how likely that is for a football team) and all they did was sign their draft picks and enough minimum salary fill ins to reach the roster limit they would have been over the cap. They were only projected to be under the cap BECAUSE they only have 35 players under contract for next year, not in spite of it.

Seriously, for you to think that they could have accounted for 18 players AND however many guys who would end up on injured reserve with only $7.5 million of cap space shows that you don't understand how the cap works.

Or that you are really bad at math. I guess it could be that.