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Different take on Narduzzi sideline antics

Let me start by saying, I personally have no problem with it so long as he's not hurting the team by drawing penalties.

But, a question for those who like his demeanor...
Did you also approve of Dixon's working the officials??

Seems a double standard.. One is called fiery, the other was called whiney.
They are both whiney. That was my biggest pet peave of Dixon.
 
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I honestly don't care. For years Wlat and Chryst looked like wax statues out there. Again, this city has had a boner for years for Jim Leyland and Bill Cowher because they acted the exact same way. Yet Narduzzi does it and I have some columnist who looks like Norm Peterson in his picture telling me he needs to calm down. Bitch, please.
 
I have no problem with any coach doing it and I would expect them to stick up for their players. Officials are human and they do make mistakes my biggest issue with all officials is be consistent and from watching college each conference has inconsistent enforcing the rules. What might be a penalty in the ACC is not in the BIG Ten. Especially when it comes to targeting
 
Who appointed you the double standard monitor?
Do all boards have one?
Ok, well, did you also approve of Wanny putting his hands through his hair?
Rudolph picking his nose?
Graham pulling a hammy?
 
I honestly don't care. For years Wlat and Chryst looked like wax statues out there. Again, this city has had a boner for years for Jim Leyland and Bill Cowher because they acted the exact same way. Yet Narduzzi does it and I have some columnist who looks like Norm Peterson in his picture telling me he needs to calm down. Bitch, please.
Our boners for cowher were from him winning and I'll go out on a limb and say leyland never caused any increased blood flow to the nether regions save yelling at bonds in spring ball.
 
Let me start by saying, I personally have no problem with it so long as he's not hurting the team by drawing penalties.

But, a question for those who like his demeanor...
Did you also approve of Dixon's working the officials??

Seems a double standard.. One is called fiery, the other was called whiney.
I don't understand what the big deal is. Pitt had gotten screwed the entire game with obvious penalties that were not being called against VT and questionable penalties that were being called against Pitt at crucial times. If you're the head coach for Pitt and you truly want to win a big ACC game, at home, this would annoy you. So he got mad and threw his headset on the ground...so what? It's called PASSION, leave the guy alone. Pitt fans can become so high and mighty when they want to. Be glad that you have a head coach like Narduzzi that genuinely seems to like being here. Put the political correctness stuff away and let the guy coach his team the way he wants.
 
Who appointed you the double standard monitor?
Do all boards have one?
Ok, well, did you also approve of Wanny putting his hands through his hair?
Rudolph picking his nose?
Graham pulling a hammy?
Rudolph picked his nose?
 
Every Penn State fan I know hit me on Friday morning about Narduzzi's antics. I told them it's no more bothersome than having a coach attacking a piñata in a big rabbit costume.

Point is, I think Pitt has gotten jobbed a lot by ACC officials this year and I think Narduzzi finally blew his stack. All of the holding that goes on in pass sets by teams is sickening and hurts Pitt's pass defense as much as anything. But the way the interference is called so inconsistently might have even gotten Cryst to move a little.
 
Our boners for cowher were from him winning and I'll go out on a limb and say leyland never caused any increased blood flow to the nether regions save yelling at bonds in spring ball.

Really? What did Cowher win until 2005? I have about three gagged away AFC title games I'm seeing before some questionable officiating bailed him out in Detroit.
 
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not clicking on that link, i'll take your word for it.. Dude is from Fayette county, anything north of having a meth lab in your basement or getting arrested for leaving your kid in the car while you are in a bar is an accomplishment from someone born and raised in Fayette county..

He's from Westmoreland (Rostraver TWP) but close enough. I played HS at Belle Vernon with his brother. Won't take anything away from him. He was a weight room rat in 8th grade and busted his butt to get to Whisky. Not sure he's a great OC but he's a good enough guy.
 
He's from Westmoreland (Rostraver TWP) but close enough. I played HS at Belle Vernon with his brother. Won't take anything away from him. He was a weight room rat in 8th grade and busted his butt to get to Whisky. Not sure he's a great OC but he's a good enough guy.
damn, that ruins my post. I just assumed he was from Belle Vernon. I was more taking a shot at Fayette than him. He did well for himself, does seem like a good guy and coach..
 
Really? What did Cowher win until 2005? I have about three gagged away AFC title games I'm seeing before some questionable officiating bailed him out in Detroit.
in 15 years with steelers, he went to playoffs 10 times, 8 division titles, made it to 6 afc championship games and 2 super bowls. let me repeat that, 6 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES IN 15 YEARS..

Dude was a good coach. Yeah, he wasn't perfect, some of those teams should have made it to the superbowl, still pissed of about '94 team (his best in my opinion) and '01 I think but cowher was a damn good coach. Some really good coaches came from under him too..
 
damn, that ruins my post. I just assumed he was from Belle Vernon. I was more taking a shot at Fayette than him. He did well for himself, does seem like a good guy and coach..

Don't feel bad. Belle Vernon is roughly seven houses down along the river and yet it gets to carry the name. Never really understood that part of it.

But hey, here's to Dunbar, right?
 
We Pitt fans should be supportive of PN actions concerning the officiating. Over the many seasons of attending Pitt football games I don't remember a Pitt coach firing up the crowd like PN did against VT. That evening PN not only got the team fired up and ready to play he stirred up the fan base too. The team and fans left it all on the field that is a sign of great coach in the making.
Jimbo, Dabo, and Jimmy H worked the officials over without the type of criticism that PN received. They don't warrant the criticism because of their years of experience as a head coach. PN has to be himself, that fiery and animated coach on the sidelines, if he is going to be a success. Support him and his actions and watch him grow as a head coach to join the ranks of the great college football coaches. Embrace the jewel with the rough edges that is our head football coach.
 
His antics are 1/3 directed at the refs (trying to get the next call), 1/3 to keep his kids pumped up and into the game (coach hasn't given up, so we shouldn't either) and 1/3 his own personality.

I like a coach who lights fires under butts to keep people moving in the direction he wants them to move. Criticism of a guy for trying to motivate by intensity is foolish. He isn't degrading the kids (like Kelly) or sitting back and taking it like a good lap dog. It isn't his style, and I don't think we, as fans, want it to be.
 
Now we are talking about Jamie Dixon on the football board, lol.

Basketball and football are two different animals. It seems as if a lot of the top coaches are on the refs the entire game in basketball (Boeheim is certainly one). Dixon was the same way, no problem. Football coaches seem to complain less but tend to totally lose their $hit from time to time. Maybe this has to do with proximity to the refs in basketball...a ref across the court can hear a more subtle complaint from Dixon where Narduzzi would sometimes have to be screaming to get the official's attention down the field.

That said, I don't think anyone cares about this stuff if you are winning. Dixon was doing less of it lately.
 
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Now we are talking about Jamie Dixon on the football board, lol.

Basketball and football are two different animals. It seems as if a lot of the top coaches are on the refs the entire game in basketball (Boeheim is certainly one). Dixon was the same way, no problem. Football coaches seem to complain less but tend to totally lose their $hit from time to time. Maybe this has to do with proximity to the refs in basketball...a ref across the court can hear a more subtle complaint from Dixon where Narduzzi would sometimes have to be screaming to get the official's attention down the field.

That said, I don't think anyone cares about this stuff if you are winning. Dixon was doing less of it lately.
winning coaches do it, it's called "enthusiasm" losing coaches do it, it's called "whining." It's always been this way. A quote from Crash Davis, same point, different sport..

If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press'll think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.
 
There is a line and IMO HCPN crossed it, but one of the biggest reasons I was frustrated was that we were (by far) the team benefitting the most from the poor officiating. I mean, he argued the offsides on the INT and we were a full yard over the line. Argue and defend the players when they are in the right, but to do it all game when you are obviously teaching/reinforcing them to grab WR jersey on every play they can or a play where the penalty couldn't be more clear, is when you start to look like a blowhard.
 
There is a line and IMO HCPN crossed it, but one of the biggest reasons I was frustrated was that we were (by far) the team benefitting the most from the poor officiating. I mean, he argued the offsides on the INT and we were a full yard over the line. Argue and defend the players when they are in the right, but to do it all game when you are obviously teaching/reinforcing them to grab WR jersey on every play they can or a play where the penalty couldn't be more clear, is when you start to look like a blowhard.

We benefited most from the officiating? I was at the game and probably didn't have all of the replays and angles from TV, but it sure looked like we were on the short end of the stick from my perspective. To me, the dbs and the wrs should have been a wash as they were pushing off as much as we were grabbing. But they weren't calling the push offs.
 
We benefited most from the officiating? I was at the game and probably didn't have all of the replays and angles from TV, but it sure looked like we were on the short end of the stick from my perspective. To me, the dbs and the wrs should have been a wash as they were pushing off as much as we were grabbing. But they weren't calling the push offs.
We definitely weren't on the short end of the stick. We grabbed on every single play that we could. Watch the replay and be honest and it will be clear. There were at least 4 plays where there was separation, but our guys had a handful of jersey and no flag. We could have been flagged on about 15-20 pass plays. The play some Pitt fans want to complain most about "Ford jumped up and pulled his head down, while the Pitt DB got flagged for DPI!!!" was a great example because our guy had a hold of his jersey the entire time and their guy had no other way to get to the ball. Textbook DPI. And no, it isn't a situation where it is on both. One guy is getting interfered with and goes for the ball as he is being interfered with. It doesn't offset.

The people complaining about push offs are really searching and clearly not watching much football. Their WRs did exactly what everyone is allowed in the game. Hand jostling is allowed and as long as the WR or DB doesn't grab or get fully extended you can gain separation with the hands and forearm. If it wasn't allowed we would never catch a pass or never not get a penalty on defense.
 
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Let me start by saying, I personally have no problem with it so long as he's not hurting the team by drawing penalties.

But, a question for those who like his demeanor...
Did you also approve of Dixon's working the officials??

Seems a double standard.. One is called fiery, the other was called whiney.
I never had a problem with Dixon's sideline demeanor. It was his recruiting that bothered me.

I like Narduzzi and always have going back to the beginning of his MSU days.. I like some fire and emotion out of a coach. That said I thought his antics in the VT game were beyond the pale and a bad look for him and Pitt. I have never seen him like that before. What bothered me the most about it was that his own corners were prison raping the VT receivers on every outside pass route--no doubt Narduzzi told them to do that unless and until it was called--meanwhile he's losing his shit at the refs for the stuff VT was getting away with, which was not nearly as blatant as ours. It was stupid. If Narduzzi had clean hands in that game it might have been easier to understand, but still it would have been a bad look.

I think Narduzzi's emotion in that game was driven by how important that game was to him and the program, rather than just the questionable officiating.. He put a lot of pressure on himself and the team to win it, he knew how critical it was to Pitt's season to get a W there. Unfortunately, he didn't find it so critical that he needed to give his corners some safety help on the sideline routes.
 
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We benefited most from the officiating? I was at the game and probably didn't have all of the replays and angles from TV, but it sure looked like we were on the short end of the stick from my perspective. To me, the dbs and the wrs should have been a wash as they were pushing off as much as we were grabbing. But they weren't calling the push offs.
it was a poorly officiated game but we got away with a lot of grabbing. could have easily had 2-3 more pass interferences.. Inconsistent no doubt but not one sided. We made out actually.

as a pitt fan, im upset at many more things than his demeanor. Like many have said, win some freakin games and I could care less if he is running around naked on the sidelines.
 
We benefited most from the officiating? I was at the game and probably didn't have all of the replays and angles from TV, but it sure looked like we were on the short end of the stick from my perspective. To me, the dbs and the wrs should have been a wash as they were pushing off as much as we were grabbing. But they weren't calling the push offs.

You are right that the refs were not calling the push offs by VT WRs. It was very frustrating.

Though, what likely was hard for you (and Narduzzi) to see (because you were at the game and not seeing the replays) is that Pitt's DBs were often grabbing onto the jersey of VT WRs. What was puzzling was that it often didn't seem like it was even necessary. It appeared as if they could have just as easily put a hand up to try to make a play on the ball.

It's very possible it looked more one sided to Narduzzi too, as he was not able to see all of the replays. Pushing off on someone is easier to see, since the defender's body quickly moves away from the WR. Bad officiating indeed. Many calls were missed on both sides.
 
what was the name of the pirates manager that looked like he was asleep in the dugout and mumbled maybe 9 words in the course of an entire ballgame?

my point exactly.....
 
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what was the name of the pirates manager that looked like he was asleep in the dugout and mumbled maybe 9 words in the course of an entire ballgame?

my point exactly.....
John Russell, had to put a mirror under his nose to see if he was still breathing.
 
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Let me start by saying, I personally have no problem with it so long as he's not hurting the team by drawing penalties.

But, a question for those who like his demeanor...
Did you also approve of Dixon's working the officials??

Seems a double standard.. One is called fiery, the other was called whiney.
I could give 2 sh*ts about either. Much ado about nothing.
 
Let me start by saying, I personally have no problem with it so long as he's not hurting the team by drawing penalties.

But, a question for those who like his demeanor...
Did you also approve of Dixon's working the officials??

Seems a double standard.. One is called fiery, the other was called whiney.
I could care less as long as they win. If the players start tuning out the coach and the team loses, then the coach needs a new approach.
 
I honestly don't care. For years Wlat and Chryst looked like wax statues out there. Again, this city has had a boner for years for Jim Leyland and Bill Cowher because they acted the exact same way. Yet Narduzzi does it and I have some columnist who looks like Norm Peterson in his picture telling me he needs to calm down. Bitch, please.
****ing Norm Peterson. Beautiful. Just caused me to almost choked on my lunch.
 
I think it's safe to say, winning trumps all sideline behavior. Amazing how losing brings a spotlight to this..
 
We benefited most from the officiating? I was at the game and probably didn't have all of the replays and angles from TV, but it sure looked like we were on the short end of the stick from my perspective. To me, the dbs and the wrs should have been a wash as they were pushing off as much as we were grabbing. But they weren't calling the push offs.

We did. In fact, it was so bad that at one point in the 4th quarter, Jesse Palmer remarked that he didn't know exactly what the refs could do to regain control unless they start calling PI on Pitt on EVERY play. He said we clutch and grab on every play and then the staff goes belligerent when a flag is thrown.
 
I could care less as long as they win. If the players start tuning out the coach and the team loses, then the coach needs a new approach.
I don't think the Dooz will ever lose his players under any circumstances.. He's fiercely loyal to them and has their backs, and demands the same of them.
 
We did. In fact, it was so bad that at one point in the 4th quarter, Jesse Palmer remarked that he didn't know exactly what the refs could do to regain control unless they start calling PI on Pitt on EVERY play. He said we clutch and grab on every play and then the staff goes belligerent when a flag is thrown.
Cue the "Jesse Palmer is an a$$ clown and hates Pitt" refrain.
 
As long he doesn't go Brian Kelly and do it to his players with that much anger it's a non issue for me.

It may have been a bit too much, but he has to complain when bad calls are made. You have to let the refs know when they suck. You can't allow them to miss calls and not be held accountable. If that means you scream at their a$$es, you do it. What he and Fisher did (by getting fined) brought attention to how poorly games have been officiated in the ACC this year. So much so that there have been articles on it. Good for them.

I didn't mind when Jamie did it, either. Although, he would complain and give a bit of a smile, while Narduzzi was blowing a gasket. Players appreciate the fact that the coach realizes bad calls are being made. It is better to have the coach handle it vs. the players.
 
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