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CMUandPitt

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When I was watching the volleyball match today, my mind started to wander: what are the other Olympic Sports I'd invest in if I were ADAG? After some to and fro, eventually I concluded wrestling.

In my view, like volleyball, it has to be at least a decent spectator sport. That to me rules out soccer and baseball. Other may very much disagree with that, but work with me here.

It has to have some kind of wedge that allows us to compete even without much investment. In this case, despite having heavyweights like PSU and OSU nearby, the local talent is enough/should be enough for us to be able to be competitive from the jump, so we're not exactly building from scratch.

It has to be relatively inexpensive, in terms of facilities, roster size, NIL benchmarks, and travel budget and at least have a decent chance of becoming a ticketed draw like volleyball has. Wrestling appears to be a smaller roster than say, baseball or soccer, and would also seem to have a more guaranteed ROI.

So if we wanted to upgrade our recruiting, get 10 solid starters (plus a reasonable amount of backups/projects), what do we think we're talking about budget wise? I may have blue and gold color glasses on here but I suspect if we had a top 5 wrestling team we'd be able to get a lot of people into the Pete to watch a match, which would in turn get a virtuous cycle going. But to me it seems like right we're getting good recruits, not great recruits and to jump start that cycle we'd need some upfront investment into NIL.

(And as an aside, while I absolutely know and agree that football is the straw that stirs the drink, I'm of the opinion that while investment in a sport like volleyball or wrestling might not impact the department's immediate bottom line, success in those sports will get students to the games, which makes them far more likely to continue supporting the teams and the school post-graduation.)

Am I way off here?
 
I don’t think you are way off at all. As with many facilities, Pitt’s wrestling room is a dump. Victory height scheduled to open 2026 I think. The wrestling talent in Pa is second to none, but rarely do we sniff any of the cream of the crop. tOSU’s wrestling room and venue is incredible, I assume PSU’s is as well. What really hurts is when we lose a kid to Va Tech, NC State , NC etc., and that has happened more and more. Hope Victory Heights can help that.
 
No idea if FloWrestling is as accurate as Intermat, but from what I'm seeing, 16 out of the top 100 recruits on the big board are from PA. We're getting just one of them -- Marlow from TJ.

And it's not even an East/West thing -- a kid from PR, a kid from Bishop McCort, a second one from TJ. You get the point. We can be nationally competitive even if we only lock down elite local talent. I'm convinced that the Pete would be full to the rafters if there were a dual between a top-five Pitt and a top-five PSU, or for the Brawl.

I'm from NA so I know a little bit about the history of the Angry Fish, but is a lack of investment/relationships with the club scene also a part of the recruitment difficulty?
 
No idea if FloWrestling is as accurate as Intermat, but from what I'm seeing, 16 out of the top 100 recruits on the big board are from PA. We're getting just one of them -- Marlow from TJ.

And it's not even an East/West thing -- a kid from PR, a kid from Bishop McCort, a second one from TJ. You get the point. We can be nationally competitive even if we only lock down elite local talent. I'm convinced that the Pete would be full to the rafters if there were a dual between a top-five Pitt and a top-five PSU, or for the Brawl.

I'm from NA so I know a little bit about the history of the Angry Fish, but is a lack of investment/relationships with the club scene also a part of the recruitment difficulty?
New facilities will help but I am of the mind that a large infusion of cash for the PWC would do more.

With rise of USA wrestling on the world stage over that last decade or so wrestling has become a 365 day sport. Many of the best wrestlers in the country want to go where they can prepare to compete for U20s and the Olympics while still competing in college. Some wrestlers are good enough to transcend the club they are training at but many need the elite coaching and work out partners to get there. Also having a good club adds training partners for folkstyle.

With all that said there are only handful of what I call top level professional clubs out there and I don't think PWC will ever get there but getting into the that second tier is possible I am just not sure of the path. Wrestling clubs fundraising is a lot like NIL but you are asking donors to support athletes who are post grads and may not even be Pitt alumni. It takes a lot of work by the staff to fundraise and it helps if you have AD that will get them in front of donors. It is a bit of a chicken and the egg situation you need good club for a successful program but you need a successful program to get people and donors energized.

Penn State kind of got lucky that the AD at the time was a former wrestler and they had a former wrestler who was very wealthy to get Cael and inject a ton of cash into the NLWC.
 
To add a little more about getting good not just at wrestling but any none revenue sports with limited scholarships.

Does a school offer out-of-state waivers for select recruits and athletes? Iowa hands out a lot of waivers for out-of-state athletes.

Does the school help with academic scholarships? Good example of this was Jason Nolf who qualified for a lot of academic scholarship money at Penn State and got it so he was not taking much from the wrestling pool of 9.9.

A school needs to be all in on athletics from the board of trustees, to the president or chancellor, and to the AD to achieve a high level of success across the athletic department.
 
No idea if FloWrestling is as accurate as Intermat, but from what I'm seeing, 16 out of the top 100 recruits on the big board are from PA. We're getting just one of them -- Marlow from TJ.

And it's not even an East/West thing -- a kid from PR, a kid from Bishop McCort, a second one from TJ. You get the point. We can be nationally competitive even if we only lock down elite local talent. I'm convinced that the Pete would be full to the rafters if there were a dual between a top-five Pitt and a top-five PSU, or for the Brawl.

I'm from NA so I know a little bit about the history of the Angry Fish, but is a lack of investment/relationships with the club scene also a part of the recruitment difficulty?
NA grad? What year. I was 2005. My dad, brother, and I all grew up in the program and now one of my 6 year olds is in the youth program.
 
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NA grad? What year. I was 2005. My dad, brother, and I all grew up in the program and now one of my 6 year olds is in the youth program.

Oh, nice. 2000. My wrestling career was only MS/JV because I was literally the smallest kid at Marshall and they needed someone to wrestle 70/75. Then boom, huge growth spurt and it's over to volleyball; 6'5" and rail-thin is not the wrestler's build. But definitely got indoctrinated into the lore!
 
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