Duke Women ends season
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I wonder if the ACC will reconfigure the schedule or just give teams an off night when they are scheduled to play them.
Totally unecessary and chicken little level fear driven decision, IMHO.
So the women are at risk of covid but not the men. This is one smart crafty virus knowing how to potentially infect just the Duke women’s team not the men’s.
The players made the decision. It’s unfortunate they’re not as tough and brave as some of you.
All the flexing around this virus is something.
All the flexing around this virus is something.
I think it comes down to "love of the game" and future pro potential. Women have fewer pro opportunities. I don't think they made this decision out of fear for their lives. Rather, just wanted to stop being tested 3 times per week and having to live in a semi-bubble. Figured their on scholarship still, probably want to have a real college experience and party it up.
Just maybe some team members or their families or friends have been affected personally with Covid and they as a group feel uncomfortable potentially exposing themselves .
Belittling anyone for feeling uncomfortable about taking risks right now when in a few months there should be enough vaccinations available , especially if J&J‘s is approved is inappropriate .
As a sports fan I’m glad those sports that have elected to continue have done so , but let’s not confuse the issue , it’s all about money . Highly compensated adults choosing to compete is one thing , asking young adults to take risks so the universities can fund their athletic departments is another .
I truly doubt SMF that it’s because they want to party !
I‘ve known several female college athletes in different sports and they work just as hard and love their sports just as much as male athletes do .
I know some out there don’t understand this , but there’s nothing more important than your health even money and college sports !
Belittling anyone for feeling uncomfortable about taking risks right now when in a few months there should be enough vaccinations available , especially if J&J‘s is approved is inappropriate .
As a sports fan I’m glad those sports that have elected to continue have done so , but let’s not confuse the issue , it’s all about money . Highly compensated adults choosing to compete is one thing , asking young adults to take risks so the universities can fund their athletic departments is another .
I truly doubt SMF that it’s because they want to party !
I‘ve known several female college athletes in different sports and they work just as hard and love their sports just as much as male athletes do .
I know some out there don’t understand this , but there’s nothing more important than your health even money and college sports !
They are athletes and competitors at the highest level. There’s no way they came to that decision that lightly.
And you don’t know what drove their decision. Nor do I. I don’t disagree that playing through this has to be a big PITA but giving up the season had to be a difficult decision.
But the college should keep it fair. Women end season for virus men should too. I enjoy most women’s sports, and believe this is should be a consistent college wide decision.
According to everything I’ve read the players made the decision. So if that’s accurate are you suggesting they be forced to play because the men are? Or should the men be forced to stop playing too?
Right but its an easier decision for them because they don't have as much to lose as the men. Maybe what, 1 of these Duke women, if that, will make a living playing basketball?
You seem stuck on that. But it seems you fail to realize that high level athletes and competitors love doing what they do. Like someone said above they bust their asses just as much as the men do. I don’t think it’s likely they they’re giving up their season just because of a lack of pro opportunities.
Its not solely due to that but you have to do a risk analysis. These women arent going to make a living playing basketball and may just want to be college kids right now
I believe colleges are forbidding big parties like college kids usually attend. If the women's program paid for itself with TV revenue like the Men's program they would have imposed a 2 week hiatus then went from there. Since it isn't a money maker they just let the women decide to shut it down.
The risk to healthy college age athletes of dying from Covid is lower than their risk of dying in a car crash.
Also, the risk of catching Covid is probably no different whether the Duke women play basketball or do not given the protocols in place for playing.
Therefore, these players likely either decided not to play because they actually believe their personal risk and/or risk to family members from Covid is greater because they are playing---which is a notion that can realistically be argued to be incorrect.
Given the above, this decision makes no common sense, IMHO. But, to each her or his own. Perceptions are reality for many people and many are more frightened than truly necessary.
Also, the risk of catching Covid is probably no different whether the Duke women play basketball or do not given the protocols in place for playing.
Therefore, these players likely either decided not to play because they actually believe their personal risk and/or risk to family members from Covid is greater because they are playing---which is a notion that can realistically be argued to be incorrect.
Given the above, this decision makes no common sense, IMHO. But, to each her or his own. Perceptions are reality for many people and many are more frightened than truly necessary.
It's easy for folks to criticize when you're not in someone else's shoes.
I doubt that any of the critics in their thread are taking multiple covid tests each week or having to quarantine when neccessary. Any of you having to travel every week to games and also deal with the stresses of traveling?
I doubt that any of the critics in their thread are taking multiple covid tests each week or having to quarantine when neccessary. Any of you having to travel every week to games and also deal with the stresses of traveling?
I guess according to you it’s safe to travel and interact with 20-30 people outside your inner circle of contacts 2 to 3 times per week ?
I guess hospitals in hard hit areas requiring refrigerated temporary morgues are over reacting too !
You must be the guy in DC whose been giving Trump his briefings on Covid !
I believe you are over-reacting to my comments. I have no problem with their voting not to play if it is because they are concerned for the safety of others who are at risk (the old, those with pre-existing health conditions, crowded hospitals, etc,) because they may be aiding the spread of Covid. I don't even have a problem with it if it is because they just don't want to deal with the hassle of dealing with the protocols.
Lastly, I am personally fine with people making their own decisions even when I disagree with them. I do, however, feel free to criticize what I view as decisions made for an inadequate reason(s). That freedom to criticize is why I wrote what I did.
My criticism was based on the fact that the players' own personal health and safety relative to Covid should have been an insignificant factor in their decision rather that the primary factor--assuming it was the primary factor--because they themselves are young and healthy and from a statistical standpoint are unlikely to experience anything more hazardous than what they face from many other life risks each day.
Furthermore, I believe and assume that once free of the athletic department protocols for playing-- the lifestyle choices they will likely make on campus without those protocols will, IMHO, most likely present no less a Covid risk than what they faced playing with the protocols in place. Just an opinion here, however.
Bottom line, I am not against the decision just expressing disagreement with what I perceive as the rationale for it which I perceive faulty. IMHO, if personal safety was the player's sole reason for their decision--they likely accomplished nothing of practical value in protecting themselves personally.
Lastly, I am personally fine with people making their own decisions even when I disagree with them. I do, however, feel free to criticize what I view as decisions made for an inadequate reason(s). That freedom to criticize is why I wrote what I did.
My criticism was based on the fact that the players' own personal health and safety relative to Covid should have been an insignificant factor in their decision rather that the primary factor--assuming it was the primary factor--because they themselves are young and healthy and from a statistical standpoint are unlikely to experience anything more hazardous than what they face from many other life risks each day.
Furthermore, I believe and assume that once free of the athletic department protocols for playing-- the lifestyle choices they will likely make on campus without those protocols will, IMHO, most likely present no less a Covid risk than what they faced playing with the protocols in place. Just an opinion here, however.
Bottom line, I am not against the decision just expressing disagreement with what I perceive as the rationale for it which I perceive faulty. IMHO, if personal safety was the player's sole reason for their decision--they likely accomplished nothing of practical value in protecting themselves personally.
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A lot of what you say is correct , but no one knows why some young adults without significant risk factors become very ill with Covid. While statistically it’s very unlikely it does occur and everyone of them is a person with family and friends . How many asystematic young adults unknowingly spread the virus to older family members ?
I see many adults who are taking unnecessary risks like hanging out in bars after a round of golf or eating in a crowded restaurant , stupidity isn’t limited to the young . Last Saturday as I was leaving the golf course up pulls a Rolls with a bride and groom in it then their guests started arriving (well over 100 ). Really !
Everyone wants normalcy to return , it’s not that far off , so why put yourself and loved ones at risk ? Be smart be safe .
I usually travel every week and because of something a lot more important than a basketball game. I also understand the stresses of travel having traveled over 1,000,000 airline miles and as many auto miles. I can understand concern for catching the virus because of exposure to others in this type of situation. I also understand that these girls have just as much if not more of a chance of getting the virus with their season shut down. Playing the game won't increase their chances that much, if at all. I think I understand this because I had the virus and I also followed every precaution in the books but still got it. You can get it anywhere and some of them probably will without playing a game or traveling. If you are breathing, you are exposed to it. But it's also nothing to fear. The fear porn put out there by the media is ridiculous.
Respect it, take precautions, use your common sense, and if you get it, take care of yourself and others knowing you have a 99.5% chance of a full recovery.
So you've been masked in public 100% of the time? Have you eaten inside a restaurant since March?
Silly questions. Of course I wear a mask when indoors and as required by any establishment that I frequent. I do this because I can't enter the establishment unless I'm wearing a mask, not because masks work. I DO NOT mask in my own house or around my family or people I've been around a lot. I DO NOT wear a mask outdoors because the chances of the virus being spread outdoors is close to 0. I'm also not contagious and can't get the virus because I'm immune now, so whatever precautions I take are to make others feel safe.
I don't and never will live under my bed or in a bubble, so I have eaten inside restaurants since March. Many times. That is a ridiculous question. You can get the virus just as easily from shopping at the supermarket or even walking behind someone who has the virus, while both of you are masked, as you can from eating in a restaurant. In fact, it's harder to get it in a restaurant under controlled conditions. Restaurant indoor dining is a lot safer than going to Wal Mart. I use common sense. And the "experts" don't know much at all about this virus. At least not as much as those of us who have had it.
You obviously don't understand how this virus is transmitted or the uselessness of wearing masks. They are very minimally effective in helping to prevent transmission to others if you have it. They absolutely don't prevent you from getting it from others. The best precaution is to stay at least 10 feet away from anyone in an indoor setting, preferably 20 feet, and that isn't practical. If you're breathing, you're going to be exposed to this virus. None of the mitigations that are being thrown out there by Big Brother help one bit. When the vaccine is universally distributed to at least 90% of the population and the virus has run its course after the general population has acquired immunity, it will go away.
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Eating inside a restaurant just is not safer than going to Wal-Mart. There’s no possible way or data that backs that up.
Additionally, you didn’t “follow every precaution in the book” if you ate inside restaurants many times and hung out with a lot of people unmasked outside your family.
You have the right to do all those things but... from what you posted it’s not some giant mystery how you were infected.
You're wrong. You misrepresented the facts and don't understand how the virus is transmitted. You also misstated what I said. I know how I got the virus and it wasn't from eating in a restaurant, in Wal-Mart, in a supermarket or from someone in my family or who I know well and have been around a lot. And I didn't get it outdoors because it's not transmitted outdoors very well. I know I got it from someone who had on a mask just as I did, and it was indoors, because masks don't work to help prevent you from getting the virus. Just the facts.
Until you've lived through it and know how it happens, you won't be able to say how anyone gets it because the experts and scientists obviously don't even know. They can guess, just as you did. I use my head and common sense. If we didn't have a vaccine, most of the population would get it, mitigation efforts or not. And most wouldn't know how they got it because they all wore masks and socially distanced.
1.8% of covid positives traced back to restaurants. That leaves 98.2% of covid positives from other areas. Its just a guess here but I'm saying Wal-Mart positive % is higher than that.
C’mon. Stop being conspiracy theorists and use your head. Why would it be safe to be unmasked in a restaurant but unsafe to be masked and constantly moving around at Wal-Mart? That makes no sense.
There's No Denying The Evidence: Restaurants And Bars Are Helping Spread COVID-19
Bringing COVID-19 under control will mean a long and painful period of trial and error, and the role of restaurants and bars that tend to confine their customers to indoor spaces where they have to dispense with their masks, has already been perfectly established by science beyond any discussion.
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This chart shows the link between restaurant spending and new cases of coronavirus
Higher restaurant spending appears to be linked to a faster spread of the coronavirus, according to JPMorgan.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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I guess Dr FaucI and Gottlieb don’t understand the virus as well as you do . According to them indoor dining is far more conducive to spreading the virus than shopping in a big box store . The chances of catching the virus increases as your number of human interactions increase . Simple logic .
Big box stores can also afford the costs associated with more advanced air filtration systems .
Glad your alright , but it’s important to remember that not everyone is as fortunate as you .
