Effect of Horton s Return - A prediction

[DC_Area_Panther]

Just my WAG of a prediction on Horton‘s impact:

He should give this team an average offensive ceiling something like 5 points above the current estimated 60-61 points.

However—

In some games (when he is hitting his 3s well) the individual game ceiling could climb to the low to mid 70s.

But, in games when he is not hitting 3s the ceiling will likely remain in the lower 60s.

Just my wishful thinking guess though.

Note: Not predicting Horton’s points scored alone will account for the change but also assuming the effect of his presence in spreading out defenses due to his outside threat.

 

[PittMan 72]

Just my WAG of a prediction on Horton‘s impact:

He should give this team an average offensive ceiling something like 5 points above the current estimated 60-61 points.

However—

In some games (when he is hitting his 3s well) the individual game ceiling could climb to the low to mid 70s.

But, in games when he is not hitting 3s the ceiling will likely remain in the lower 60s.

Just my wishful thinking guess though.

Note:: Not predicting Horton’s points scored alone will account for the change but also assuming
the effect of his presence in spreading out defenses due to his outside threat.

I’ll be most interested to see if it has a positive “ripple effect”.

If what he potentially can bring (that Pitt has been lacking) helps to make others on the Pitt team more productive. Or if it can also make it more difficult for opponents to play against Pitt.

 

[Vader_Storm]

I’ll be most interested to see if it has a positive “ripple effect”.

If what he potentially can bring (that Pitt has been lacking) helps to make others on the Pitt team more productive. Or if it can also make it more difficult for opponents to play against Pitt.

It is not a coincidence that the 1 game Horton played was by far our teams best offensive performance of the season and that was on the road against Louisville. Ill go ahead and guarantee the offense will be far better with him the rest of the way.

The defense needs to remain steady when he comes back and there will be a dropoff when he plays on defense. If that happens and the defense remains steady, we are going to win some games the rest of the way.

 

[docpanther26]

Our opportunity exists in the next 4-5 games. Hope we win some!

 

[PittMan 72]

It is not a coincidence that the 1 game Horton played was by far our teams best offensive performance of the season and that was on the road against Louisville. Ill go ahead and guarantee the offense will be far better with him the rest of the way.

The defense needs to remain steady when he comes back and there will be a dropoff when he plays on defense. If that happens and the defense remains steady, we are going to win some games the rest of the way.

He had 13 points in the 1H and then - after missing a bunny lay up - went scoreless in the 2H at Louisville. Pitt ended up losing by 3.

So we kind of saw both the good and not so good Horton’s in that game. There had to be some rust. There was likely some need to get used to playing together with IH in the lineup on the part of the other players, too.

Inserting a player 20 games into the season who will likely be expected to play some significant minutes will be interesting. It has a chance to provide some good benefits. But there are never any guarantees.

Can the others play better with him included? Will they? How will the minutes be distributed? Time will tell. But IH has the potential to provide something Pitt badly needs. We’ll see what happens. There are some very difficult opponents left on the remaining regular season schedule.

 

[docpanther26]

If nothing else, he at least poses a “threat” from distance, which we desperately need.

 

[Parkview57]

Horton returns = 2.5 more years of HCJC

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

The rest of the prediction:

3-8 or 4-7 ACC the rest of the way to finish 11-19 (6-14 ACC) or 12-18 (7-13 ACC) heading in to the ACC Tourney.

 

[Vader_Storm]

He had 13 points in the 1H and then - after missing a bunny lay up - went scoreless in the 2H at Louisville. Pitt ended up losing by 3.

So we kind of saw both the good and not so good Horton’s in that game. There had to be some rust. There was likely some need to get used to playing together with IH in the lineup on that part of the other players, too.

Inserting a player 20 games into the season who will likely be expected to play some significant minutes will be interesting. It has a chance to provide some good benefits. But there are never any guarantees.

Can the others play better with him included? Will they? How will the minutes be distributed? Time will tell. But IH has the potential to provide something Pitt badly needs. We’ll see what happens. There are some very difficult opponents left on the remaining regular season schedule.

It isnt just Horton's own scoring.

It is far better team offensive spacing with Horton standing beyond the 3 point line.

 

[PittMan 72]

It isnt just Horton's own scoring.

It is far better team offensive spacing with Horton standing beyond the 3 point line.

Exactly. That’s part of the potential “ripple effect” referenced in my post above in this thread that you first responded to.

But Pitt has to MAKE all of that happen by executing and producing. Getting IH back ought to have a positive impact.

NOTHING is guaranteed. Everybody has to up their game. There are still plenty of holes on this team. They have to do their best to get them closed. Coaches and players.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Horton is a streaky shooter who’s a mediocre defender at best.

 

[gary2]

Horton is a streaky shooter who’s a mediocre defender at best.

Right, but he does help around the margins.

 

[iMissTheOldDayss]

When he’s hot he’ll be an obvious lift to the offense, he’s not hot often, we shall see

 

[Fsgolfdr]

It isnt just Horton's own scoring.

It is far better team offensive spacing with Horton standing beyond the 3 point line.

Bingo , there’s no one other teams need to respect from 3 . This benefits everyone .

 

[pittizit]

Horton returns = 2.5 more years of HCJC

Please…

 

[Parkview57]

It isnt just Horton's own scoring.

It is far better team offensive spacing with Horton standing beyond the 3 point line.

Please…

How much progress must be made by the end of next year for HCJC to remain, I don't think all that much as long as there is progress, just my opinion, NIT for sure gets him to '23-'24, imho

 

[Saboteur II]

Exactly. That’s part of the potential “ripple effect” referenced in my post above in this thread that you first responded to.

But Pitt has to MAKE all of that happen by executing and producing. Getting IH back ought to have a positive impact.

NOTHING is guaranteed. Everybody has to up their game. There are still plenty of holes on this team. They have to do their best to get them closed. Coaches and players.

Wrong. There are guarantees in life.
Death
Taxes
Big ten overrated in pre season polls

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Most are being overly simplistic regarding Nike and Horton who are league average to believe league average guards. Not sure we’d have one more win with those 2 and here’s why:

1. Nike is a high volume scorer and not efficient. We already have 2 of those

2. Horton can’t play defense so on nights he isn’t on the good side of streaky he will be a big negative s

3. Their minutes would eat into Burton’s who is a much better player than either. Had they been available all year, Burton who started extremely slow and has gotten in an groove out of sheer volume of minutes may be playing MUCH worse if they had eaten into his minutes and he never had the opportunities to get off.

The reality is we would have either the same record or + - 1 win most likely if we had both. They’re not that good and could’ve had a negative impact on Burton.

 

[bobfree]

Most are being overly simplistic regarding Nike and Horton who are league average to believe league average guards. Not sure we’d have one more win with those 2 and here’s why:

1. Nike is a high volume scorer and not efficient. We already have 2 of those

2. Horton can’t play defense so on nights he isn’t on the good side of streaky he will be a big negative s

3. Their minutes would eat into Burton’s who is a much better player than either. Had they been available all year, Burton who started extremely slow and has gotten in an groove out of sheer volume of minutes may be playing MUCH worse if they had eaten into his minutes and he never had the opportunities to get off.

The reality is we would have either the same record or + - 1 win most likely if we had both. They’re not that good and could’ve had a negative impact on Burton.

BS. Their minutes would eat into Jeffress and Femi who have both been awful

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

BS. Their minutes would eat into Jeffress and Femi who have both been awful

But Burton did not break out until several games into the season as he was coming back from the knee surgery. You can’t look at the Pitt season in a vacuum and say this is where the minutes come from and plug and play. If Burton struggles early as he did, does he continue to get the same minutes with those other 2 in the lineup?

Also, every team deals with injuries so just plugging Nike in like no other team has had injuries is a dumb idea. Plus, he’s not that good.

 

[bobfree]

I’m not arguing anything other than whos minutes Nike and Ithiel would eat up….

Burton was coming off injury, Capel would have been patient.

Jeffress was playing 30 plus minutes a game early on there’s your minutes

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I’m not arguing anything other than whos minutes Nike and Ithiel would eat up….

Burton was coming off injury, Capel would have been patient.

Jeffress was playing 30 plus minutes a game early on there’s your minutes

possibly. I’ve never thought Jeffress was the defender people make him out to be so that’s where they should come from. Considering we didn’t see much of Nike or Femi til the end of last year when it was necessary not sure how patient Capel would’ve been.

But yes that’s who they definitely should have come from