Enough already
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Whatever. Notre Dame is a great team. Doesn't mean the refs can just cheat and/or be so disgustingly bad at their job. This has nothing to do with Pitt only losing because of the refs. The refs all across the country have been beyond pathetic this season but somehow Notre Dame seems to still get every favorable thing to go their way undeservedly.
they were the better team...
officiating sucked
they are mutually exclusive but the fact that ACC as suspended refs this year and seems they are from the same gene pool suggests that people may vent if they choose
Officiating all the way around has sucked including the replays.
I guess if you watch alot of nfl, it seems even worse.
I guess if you watch alot of nfl, it seems even worse.
Regardless of the outcome of the game the refs have absolutely blown across the board all year. If you can't see that perhaps it's time for an eye exam.
Funny. I hear Notre Dame fans do the same thing after a loss too. Don't act like you are so high and mighty and above it all.
At every level. The Steeler game today was another instance of it. If the refs are so incompetent that you have to have a replay system, you may have to replay everything. But since there is no time for that, maybe we should just teach monkeys to set the ball where it needs to go and run the chains. And we can just call fouls like you do playing basketball in your driveway?
By the way, I have not heard ONE fan say that refs cost Pitt the game. I guess people are just tired of Notre Dame getting the benefit most of the time. If anyone can't see that they do, they have to be a domer homer, blind, stupid, or maybe all three.
The OP is right. Newsflash, the refs are human. In every sport at every level in every game they make errors. And every teams fans, except for the rational ones, in every sport at every level are convinced that the refs purposely tried to screw them. We are not special in this regard in any way. Welcome to reality. You're welcome.
Exactly the closest thing I can say about the outcome is there is no way to tell if they cost them the game or not. It was just terribly officiated and everything always goes Notre Dame's way. Pitt may have won if the game was called fairly, but it most definitely does not mean they certainly would have.
What you said is the only reason I even took it that far, there really are a majority of Notre Dame fans who just will never admit this and think every team that plays them is just making excuses. It is really annoying hearing those people speak.
It funny you think it's anything other than making up excuses.
Newsfalsh, it's not
And ND fans complain about "getting screwed by he refs" as much or more than any fan base
The general assumption is the reason that calls always seem to go against us is because refs are managed by conferences and we don't have a conference, and thus don't have "refs in our side" like every opponent does
It's hysterical to see the thought that ND always gets breaks, when others would say literally the exact opposite is true
Just another example of how reffing may be bad, but normally it's even...and every single fan base just feels like they're getting screwed
PITT fans are looking for a reason to chew on the refs after the atrocious calls (or non-calls) against PITT in their game against ND in 2012. Saturday provided some fodder for discussion, but nothing close to the magnitude of what was witnessed in 2012. ND should have never played Alabama in the NC.
That's understandable
The call on PI with Eifert was the wrong call at a big moment, though far from the only wrong call in the game. The 2 "#2's" is incredibly rare and insanely hard to catch
That was certainly a rough game for Pitt with thhe refs
But it's easy to forget that the next ear a significant part of Pitts win was due to an extremely questionable targeting call removing NDs best defender
Again, reffing isn't always good, but it almost always ends up evening out
Are you ever going away? It's making an excuse if I were to say we lost the game solely because of the refs. I never said that, just that they were awful and Notre Dame did not get called for at least a half dozen penalties they blatantly committed. You literally have to be wearing the biggest leprechaun hat to ever suggest Notre Dame does not get about every break too. That is absolutely hysterical.
It's hysterical that you can't see how absolutely patently biased you and how pathetic you sound.
Every team complains about the refs, but this fan base is about the worst I've ever seen
Very pathetic
Not one of us has said that the refs cost Pitt the game.
I think Pitt fans are still pissed from a couple of years ago when ND had the PI call that wasn't, then the no call on the two number 2's on the field. Either call goes the way it should have, Pitt only needed one of those calls their way, ND is not in the national title game. Even YOU can't say that doesn't look a little suspicious, especially when the ref that called the PI had a relative that had played for Notre Dame at one time and was a ND fan.
Then Saturday all those horrendous calls against Pitt. There are penalties on almost every play that can be called, on both sides of the ball. Refs call some and they let some go. And because of that it gets a little suspicious when all the calls go against one team and not the other. Because of that I think referees need to learn to even out the penalties a little. That way if the refs are terrible and have some bad calls, at least it would be on both teams and wouldn't look so bad. On the Ford catch, I don't know if it is ethical or not because you cannot review holding or PI, but if you are the ref watching the replay and you see the guy getting interfered with and held and his facemask grabbed during that same play, if it were me I would have let the catch stand. What's the harm because it really could have gone either way and it would have been a bad call.
You may want to learn to see things from someone else's point of view because if that happened in USCs favor against ND, you would be just as pissed and biased.
I think Pitt fans are still pissed from a couple of years ago when ND had the PI call that wasn't, then the no call on the two number 2's on the field. Either call goes the way it should have, Pitt only needed one of those calls their way, ND is not in the national title game. Even YOU can't say that doesn't look a little suspicious, especially when the ref that called the PI had a relative that had played for Notre Dame at one time and was a ND fan.
Then Saturday all those horrendous calls against Pitt. There are penalties on almost every play that can be called, on both sides of the ball. Refs call some and they let some go. And because of that it gets a little suspicious when all the calls go against one team and not the other. Because of that I think referees need to learn to even out the penalties a little. That way if the refs are terrible and have some bad calls, at least it would be on both teams and wouldn't look so bad. On the Ford catch, I don't know if it is ethical or not because you cannot review holding or PI, but if you are the ref watching the replay and you see the guy getting interfered with and held and his facemask grabbed during that same play, if it were me I would have let the catch stand. What's the harm because it really could have gone either way and it would have been a bad call.
You may want to learn to see things from someone else's point of view because if that happened in USCs favor against ND, you would be just as pissed and biased.
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These calls are a little different. Ref's could get suspended and even lose their jobs if these aren't called correctly. I'm not saying it was the right call, but there is a little fear factor involved for refs to make these calls.
This is great
You realize the calls were very even, and the only people who think there were "all those horrendous calls" to complain about at all are Pitt fans
And if you can't tell how insanely biased you are already...you just asked refs to look at something they're expressly forbid from reviewing (pass interference) and take that into account on a completely unrelated call (wheel thee Ford caught the ball or not) and give Pitt the benefit of the doubt
You can see how actually asking the refs to explicitly chest for you proves, once and for all, how biased rah side is and how even (though often still poor) the reffing really is, right??!
The Ford not-catch is the perfect example of this. Everyone independent commentator covering the game immediately said upon repay that he clearly rolled and trapped the ball and it's not a catch, that there probably was PI, but it wasn't called...and thhe right call is no catch. Despite every indecent source agreeing with this, Pitt fans feel robbed, which shows a bias
And want you need to understand is games EXACTLY like that happen to ND (and every other team) all the time. It always evens out...others just don't b*tch as much about a pretty evenly reffed game with 2-3 tough calls
I'd rather the refs "let them play". I remember a few years ago when Golic's kid was holding on for dear life on every play. Got to be kind of funny.
Hey, wasn't there a pass interference call in that game that cost Pitt the win?
Hey, wasn't there a pass interference call in that game that cost Pitt the win?
Refs make mistakes, just like any other person does. My main issue with it is the lack of following the standard of review and/or the general misunderstanding of what it means.
For example, I have no doubt in my mind that Ford did not catch that long pass from NP early in the game Saturday. However, on the field, it was called a reception and there was not an angle of the pay that provided irrefutable evidence that it wasn't a catch. Ergo, it's a catch in the books...just like a dribbler between the first and second basemen in a ball game is a "line drive in the books."
For example, I have no doubt in my mind that Ford did not catch that long pass from NP early in the game Saturday. However, on the field, it was called a reception and there was not an angle of the pay that provided irrefutable evidence that it wasn't a catch. Ergo, it's a catch in the books...just like a dribbler between the first and second basemen in a ball game is a "line drive in the books."
This is great.
You realize that it is not the number of calls or if they were even or not that is the issue. It is the timing and degree of the calls. A holding call on first down is not the same as a holding call on third down when you made the needed first down. Or a replay showing the ball touching the ground which CAN be reviewed, but that same replay shows a receiver getting mugged which cannot be reviewed. The refs are human and make mistakes, even in replays. I actually don't want replay because you can't look at all the calls, pass interference, holding, what have you. There is not enough time during a game to do this, so just don't have replay at all.
It is also funny how you accuse us as being biased when you are the same way. I will admit I don't like Notre Dame. But you are a domer homer, so that makes you just as bad. It makes you even worse because you are here on a Pitt board when you don't even need to be here, you are just here to be an ass. You don't see Pitt fans on the ND board complaining about the refs. At least you won't see me there.
You realize that it is not the number of calls or if they were even or not that is the issue. It is the timing and degree of the calls. A holding call on first down is not the same as a holding call on third down when you made the needed first down. Or a replay showing the ball touching the ground which CAN be reviewed, but that same replay shows a receiver getting mugged which cannot be reviewed. The refs are human and make mistakes, even in replays. I actually don't want replay because you can't look at all the calls, pass interference, holding, what have you. There is not enough time during a game to do this, so just don't have replay at all.
It is also funny how you accuse us as being biased when you are the same way. I will admit I don't like Notre Dame. But you are a domer homer, so that makes you just as bad. It makes you even worse because you are here on a Pitt board when you don't even need to be here, you are just here to be an ass. You don't see Pitt fans on the ND board complaining about the refs. At least you won't see me there.
You are just describing yourself. Nobody said the refs cost Pitt the game, just that the refs are terrible in college football this season and Saturday Notre Dame didn't suffer from that, they benefited from it. The only biased one is you not admitting Notre Dame gets gift calls. You are so delusional it's unreal.
For one, the refs don't call penalties on plays such as 1 yard runs. It just hasn't been happening. They could on a lot of those plays, but they don't. Not a big deal right? But if there was a penalty committed, they still missed the call. Then on top of that, look at the big plays where Pitt gets them called back because of penalty. Are those bad calls? No probably not. Big plays by Notre Dame though, the refs seem to magically never see them holding or anything like that. For one, it is pretty much impossible to not hold for an entire game. Yeah I know Ohio State hasn't had one called in the Big Ten in years, probably because of more biased officiating or at least more terrible officiating in their games.
Let's forget all this and just answer one question that was my main problem with the officiating. Other than these mishaps, okay maybe I'll give you the rest of the time the officiating wasn't that one sided. But how many pass interferences did you see on Notre Dame that they did not call?
