Evidently these are "essential businesses"...

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  1. YourPittDanceTeam

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    Saw these open today when I took my son to work...

    - A State Farm Insurance Office
    - A Tailor Shop
    - A Beer Distributor
    - A Paint Store
    - A Auto Repair Shop
    - A Comic Book Collector's Store

    To me, none of these are "essential businesses".
    If these are allowed to be open, then ALL businesses should be allowed to be open as well.
     
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    I can be corrected but I believe the Governor does not have absolute authority to close all businesses. If you are a business owner and you want to stay open I believe legally you can.

    I don't know for sure though. Maybe something to do with state of emergency?
     
  3. Pantherguy4

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    I think you are right, Pittgirl. Wolfe can offer guidelines but cannot force a business to close. Restaurants and gyms are closed due to a state health department decree.
     
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    I think an auto repair place can be essential.

    The tanning salon by giant Eagle at Settlers Ridge was open today. That doesn’t sound quite right. Lol.
     
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    You are incorrect.

    (f) Additional powers.--In addition to any other powers conferred upon the Governor by law, the Governor may:

    (4) Subject to any applicable requirements for compensation under section 7313(10) (relating to powers and duties), commandeer or utilize any private, public or quasi-public property if necessary to cope with the disaster emergency.


    The governor's right to "commandeer" includes the ability to close said business.
     
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    So it is about declaring a state of emergency?
     
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    Popeye's is more essential than any of those.
     
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    Pretty sure Larrimor's in the city was open yesterday (Wednesday). Not sure about today. Guess it's good that the workers might be getting paid, but town is empty, cant believe they'd have a single customer all day.
     
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    They are not supposed to be open and the Governor said at 5:00 that they will start enforcing this law.
     
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    Yikes - I have visions of them deploying the National Guard to march thru the streets.
     
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    At 5:00, he changed the rules. It was essential. It became life supporting. Gave all of us until 8:00 to be in compliance. We found out from our families at 5:10. The link to the list of what can be open and can be closed was overwhelmed and shut down. After several man hours of consideration, we concluded we have a civic duty to keep making items needed by farmers, construction workers and hospitals. And still, we are keeping our fingers crossed that tomorrow the state will agree with our determination. Sorting through our customers and suppliers is going to be the next big challenge.
     
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    I think that the Governor needs to focus on a more pressing issue...
    I saw today on the local news that AHN had opened up a Coronavirus outdoor testing center in three places, one being in Monroeville. I thought to myself, that's good news because it is the first in the eastern suburb.
    Then, I find out that the placed it in the parking lot of the 1st National Bank, at the corner of Route 22 and 48 in Monroeville. Sadly, it is RIGHT IN FRONT of the new UPMC East Hospital that they recently built in Monroeville. Why it is placed there when Forbes Regional Hospital is about a 3/4 of a mile down the road. I'm pretty sire that it was done to screw with the UPMC facility that it is right in front of.
    Why not put it in the Forbes parking lot?
    Then I heard that they will only test you if you have a prescription/order from an AHN physician.
    Sorry folks, that is WRONG. The Governor of the State of Pennsylvania, has declared a "State of Emergency" in the state and I would like to think that EVERY testing center would test ANY ONE presenting with a request from ANY physician, regardless of where they have admitting privileges.
    Our country is in the middle of a global pandemic and we should have all of our hospitals and testing centers testing any one who presents with the proper documentation from their doctor.
    Any action less then that, is WRONG.
     
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    Initially Wolf urged non-essential businesses to close. Since many were not voluntarily complying, he issued the all "non-life-sustaining" businesses in Pennsylvania must close their physical locations.

    When stupid people don't listen you have to take action. I'm not a Wolf fan, but I think he's been doing the right things with this so far. Certainly better than New York.
     
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    Do you mind sharing what you do?

    I didn't read the list but on Tuesday my check engine light came on. I was very happy when I called the dealer they were open and able to take the car and fix it. Perhaps in the big picture car dealerships aren't a "necessity", but in my case being responsible for supporting my parents, it was absolutely a necessity.
     
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    Well this is what you get when prioritize $$ over wellbeing in the healthcare system YOU voted for.
     
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    What conditions need to be met for these restrictions to be lifted?
     
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    That's next week.
     
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    For the record, according to "the list" car dealers are supposed to close. But automotive repair and maintenance businesses are allowed to stay open.
     
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    I didn't vote for this healthcare system and may I add, it SHOULD NOT matter which health care system you use. This is a national emergency and we should ALL be working together for each other, NOT OURSELVES.
     
  23. YourPittDanceTeam

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    A very good question my friend!!
     
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    I am happy that you had your mechanical issue fixed, but for 99.9% of people in Pennsylvania, auto repair shops aren't "life-sustaining businesses".
    For that matter, neither is a beer distributor.
     
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    You should be the one to determine this?
     
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    Sorry, you comparing a beer distributor to my car that I need to take care of my family is ridiculous.
     
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    Unfortunately it’s a silly tit for tat as upmc
    Won’t accept Highmark patients

    Highmark needs to do the right thing

    aa far as placement -
    The parking lot is for employees and visitors-
    So they aren’t going to displace them
    .

    west penn installed an external testing center to keep patients out of the hospital - to be assessed .
     
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    What's funny about this is I work in the authorizations dept for UPMC Healthplan. We are in charge of approving or denying requests such as surgery, specialized office visits etc. And I got a call little after 8pm saying we are declared non-essential. Which I found odd considering if we did not do our jobs, a lot of people would be paying a lot out of pocket for things they need to stay healthy during a time health concern is so real. Now we are continuing to do our jobs as most ,well now all of us will be working from home, but seeing what is considered "essential" and compared to he job I do basically would been forced to close if we had no means to work from home is rather hilarious to me.
     
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    I want to be a little vague on that one, but the modern supply chain makes us really interconnected. Until last night, I didn’t consider what we do to be life sustaining. However, it absolutely is. What we do is needed by any off-highway engine. So, if a generator is needed to power an pop up test facility, they need us. If a farmer wants to pump water to make crops, she needs us. Concrete pumps, the telescoping buckets that go 120’ in the air need us, etc.

    Do in part to Wolf’s latest order, our supply chain is in jeopardy. These next few weeks are going to be nuts.
     
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    And there is no endgame. Are we to be shut down until no one is sick? If life resumes and someone does get sick, then what?

    Life as we knew it just yesterday morning will never be the same again.
     
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    Testing, testing, testing ...
    We cant start to unlock until there are enough tests to be able to not only be able to identify actual parients, but also accurately identify where significant clusters are also have enough tests to preemptively test those who do critical public facing jobs.
     
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    You have to have alcohol available. There are many alcoholics in our society and cutting off alcohol would cause them to go into seizures and DTs. This is a medical emergency and fatal. You may feel like your dying stopping heroin and coke. You will die abruptly discontinuing etoh. Our ERs do not need two pandemics at once
     
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    It’s “Martial Law”.
     
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    Apologies in advance Jsr862. I am about to attack your job (not necessarily you, as I have never met you. You may be a fine person.)

    Your job is non-essential. In reality, it is harmful. Patients will be better off if you were off work. What you do is deny people medical care when their own doctor (who has interviewed and examined them and reviewed all of their tests) has recommended a treatment. Your job is to either approve (you are probably not medically qualified to do this) or deny (you are probably not medically qualified to do this either) someone's treatment in spite of their own doctor recommending that treatment.
    I have had considerable experiences with your counterparts as a patient advocate and I must say I am undefeated with all victories accomplished by devastating knock-outs.
    At a prior place of employment, a colleague had a certain insurance company decline a pre-auth for surgery. He called me (and anyone else in the area) to listen in on speakerphone. He knew the medical director responsible for denying this claim, and he knew they had flunked out of residency in this specialty. He got this poor schmuck on speakerphone (and told him he was on speakerphone) and very pointedly asked him if he was board certified (BC) in the specialty, pointed out that he himself was BC, and asked why it was that the medical director was not BC. The medical director danced around that and my colleague just asked him point blank to confirm that he started but did not complete residency in the specialty. Complete dick move, but necessary in the name of patient advocacy. The argument of coverage vs treatment decision came up, and my colleague just hammered away "are you a board certified specialist" and "why aren't you" came up repeatedly. Finally the medical director caved in and approved the procedure. That episode reminded me thereafter that most people making these "coverage" decisions are not actually capable of providing the care themselves. That (or laziness) is why they take these medical director positions. But there is a precedent setting legal case from Texas that makes them all quake. I used to keep a pdf copy of the judgement on my computer. Some guy was denied a cholecystectomy by his insurance. The surgeon felt it was urgent and did it anyway. the gallbladder showed infection, and the surgeon pursued the denial in court. It was determined that the decisions approved by an insurance company medical director was indeed medical care as the job description required a medical degree.

    Thereafter, I always quoted this case. My hospitals Utilization Review Dept would have me handle the denial cases. Many hospitals or doctors would just let them drop because this is time consuming. This just justifies this behaviour by insurance companies. I enjoyed f-ing with these people so I would call. And my UR Dept appreciated this. They enjoyed listening in as I just destroyed people like Jsr862 and their bosses in sequential order. But what it came down to is actually delivering medical care to people who had paid for it over years via their employers. It is simply business to insurance companies, but as a patient it is your life and quality of it! So I always sided on the side of the patient.

    The road map to success is simple. "What is your medical license number in the state of (fill in blank)." "I am not a doctor". "Why are you deciding on the treatment for my patient?" "Please hold." Repeat this exercise 4 or 5 times until you reach a doctor. Then quote the Texas case and you are approved for treatment that was totally appropriate in the first place. Repeat over and over and you see why the US healthcare system is not prepared to handle Covid-19.

    Seriously, do you want Jsr862 deciding whether or not you get an ICU bed or a ventilator? I think a doctor should decide that. I think YOUR doctor should decide that.

    Personally, I tired of this crap and moved overseas. I recruit American doctors to work here frequently. I appreciate the expense the US taxpayers pay to train our workforce who are similarly fed up with the US system. Thank you all!
     
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    Yeah, I heard all beer distributors were to close on Tuesday so I bought. Bunch of 30 packs. Drinking with the neighbors outside yesterday and my other neighbor pulls up with more beer. Duffys in south hills is open, no big deal.

    now I have 120 beers in my garage.
     
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    Our healthcare system is broken
    Just took a crisis to make it more public notice
     
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    This was the issue with rejecting the WHO test (that worked) in favor of developing a new test by the CDC that didn't work. We lost weeks to that decision. Now we still can't test people who are sick (but Sean Payton and Kevin Durant get them) and we have to keep isolating until we are sure that the outbreak is gone or at least minimized.

    It's malpratice. Don't know who is sick and who is healthy. We're in a Catch-22 that's going to kill our economy.
     
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    Most important! Is the “O” open?
     
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    I can't imagine anyone trying to buy a car right now, the Service Department's should be allowed to stay open though.
     

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