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No argument, King. But he's been really effective at doing good things for the country. Both parties are failures. Time for something new??

I’ve said for years I’d love to see a viable third party. So yea something new would be wonderful by me.

Too much political stuff on this board. And I’ve become guilty myself - clearly. But I just can’t stand the dictator-ish/authoritarian desires that he clearly has. Tear gassing people so he can get that picture with the Bible? And wanting to use the military? What’s next / his own Tienaman (spelling?) Square? And I think he’s likely the most corrupt ever. No president is all bad and I certainly don’t think everything he’s done is bad. But he’s as much about himself as anything and his continued lack of action and early downplaying of this pandemic proves it in my eyes. Even last night he said again about not testing. And it’s being portrayed as a joke - which it wasn’t. He’s said it too many times to be a joke. I’m certainly not suggesting I know the solutions, but he’s the leader of this country and hasn’t even had a briefing in roughly a month. He said again fairly recently it’s just gonna go away. Come on.

Adding - I’ve always voted but never even discussed politics that much until Trump. May or may not mean anything to anyone but I’ve never really gotten all that worked up before. I realize not everyone I vote for wins. And even when they do I won’t agree with everything they do. So this isn’t about policy or right vs left for me. I’d feel the same way about anyone who was president of this country regardless of party. I just think he’s a despicable POS and with that I’ll end my mini rant.
 
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No argument, King. But he's been really effective at doing good things for the country. Both parties are failures. Time for something new??
What’s the effective things he’s done ?
Economy in a depression , double digit unemployment , socialism in the trillions just to keep things from disaster , civil strike with protest nationwide , and support from an idiotic anti science death cult .

all for the success of Obama level gdp growth and increased debt like crazy .

winning ?
 
For the longest time I tried to separate Trumpism from classic Conservatism. He is clearly corrupt and batshit crazy. If you can’t see that or refuse to acknowledge what is out in the open for all to see, then your opinion should not be taken seriously because there’s a really good chance of you too are batshit crazy.

However, I do have some level of respect for some traditional conservative positions like respect for institutions, fiscal conservatism and limiting government overreach.

However, none of that applies to Trump. He’s terrible in all of those areas and worse yet, it seems like he’s intentionally bad in those areas.

And yet they love him anyway. In other words, it is almost like they don’t love him in spite of his corruption and insane ramblings and/or conspiracy theories but rather because of those things, and that fundamentally changes the complexion of the entire conversation.

That is straight up cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

Some of these goofs now legitimately believe that Nancy Pelosi and Don Lemon are a greater threat to America than than Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping.

That is simply not a credible viewpoint and it should not be taken seriously.

The way I look at the Trump presidency is that he is the embodiment of the comments section two the political articles you read online.

Go to the Trib or the Post-Gazette and read the comments below them. It almost always soon becomes very apparent that nearly every single one of them — on both sides — are completely crazy.

Well, we elected one of those rocket scientists to run the whole show and he has been an absolute embarrassment to everyone except those who are determined not to see him as such.

For some reason, much of the conservative movement has firmly affixed itself to him. That’s fine by me. I say keep doing it. And as he says and does more and more erratic things as his presidency continues to struggle, they too are welcome to say more and more insane things in support of him.

Let’s get that support up to 100% of them because that will make it easier to sweep them all out when this blows up in everyone’s face – like it appears to be doing right now.
 
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For the longest time I tried to separate Trumpism from conservatism He is clearly corrupt and batshit crazy. If you can’t see that or refuse to acknowledge what is out in the open for all to see, then your opinion should not be taken seriously because there’s a really good chance of you too are batshit crazy.

However, I do have some level of respect for some traditional conservative positions like respect for institutions, fiscal conservatism and limiting government overreach.

However, none of that applies to Trump. He’s terrible in all of those areas and worse yet, it seems like he’s intentionally bad in those areas.


Donald Trump is not, and never has been, a conservative. Any more than when he was a Democrat he was a liberal. He's always been all about what's best for himself. If that means appointing conservative judges because that gets him votes, then it's time for conservative judges. If that means sending out checks to everyone in the country because that will get him some votes, then it's time to send out checks. If that means starting a trade war because that will get him some votes, then it's time for a trade war. And so on.
 
He's always been all about what's best for himself
This! He and His Family/Friends of Criminal Grifters are all out for themselves.

This Country elected a Reality TV Show Person, so we deserve what we get. He has failed so bad in his businesses that US Banks stopped providing Loans to him, so he had to go to Russians to help secure Loans.

The GOP Senate Enablers are just as bad. There is a reason that Moscow Mitch does not want to provide funding to secure our 2020 Election. And now looks like we can also call him Beijing Mitch.

I have heard it mentioned that the reason Barr does everything to protect Mango Unchained, is because he believes that the POTUS should have Unlimited Power. Wonder if Barr would still have felt the same way, if 2021 would have given us President Bernie Sanders?

I was warning people last Fall that Mango Unchained was doing his best to take over as an Authoritarian Leader like those Leaders he admires in Russia, Turkey, North Korea, The Philippines, among others, as while most of Americans were busy going about their daily lives and not paying attention, Mango Unchained was taking over the DOJ(with Barr up his Ass), The Intelligent Agencies, Parts of the Military, and the Old Dictator Handbook of calling the Mainstream Media the 'Fake News' from the very start of his Presidency to discredit them to at least his Base. Then he has stepped up since he was not convicted by the GOP Controlled Senate, to go after most of the Non Partisan Inspector Generals, who were doing the honest work to expose the Rampant Corruption by Mango Unchained, some of his Cabinet Members and Jared Kushner(nice guy being friends with the Crown Prince, MBS of Saudi Arabia, who had a Journalist's Body dismembered like a Victim in a 'Saw' Movie) while Mango Unchained just looked the other way and why this Person and his Family disgusts me as much as anything else so far 3+ years under his Rule of Law(well that and his having the Neo Nazi, Steven Miller-wait can a Jewish Person be a Neo Nazi?, as one of his main influencers in the White House).

I was not much in agreement with George W Bush, and was not happy that he allowed Dick Cheney to lie our Country into a War with Iraq, but I never saw Bush as a Threat to our Democracy, that if Mango Unchained somehow does suppress the vote enough to Win in November, will be in serious danger of the US becoming like Hungary, as their current President, who I think started in 2010 has now established himself as an Authoritarian Leader.

I am a Registered Independent Voter, who is Liberal on Social Issues and wish there were Moderate Economic Policies from Politicians, but everything seems to be extreme(well not Bernie Sanders Socialist Extreme on the Left, although if he would have been the Democratic Nominee and then won the General Election, he would have no chance of passing his Socialist Programs through Congress, and he would just have been miserable for 4 years).

I did not care much for Hilary Clinton and was hoping that John Kasich would have won the GOP Nomination in 2016, as even though I am Agnostic and do not want the Religious White Evangelicals getting their Federalist Society 'Little Scalias' placed on the Federal Courts(SCOTUS, Circuit Appeals and District), I thought Kasich while a Religious Person himself, would not let it cross over into his Policies and Appointees. He was too moderate though for the current GOP, so he really had no chance.

I held my nose and voted for Hilary Clinton(just a personal distaste of her and why I gave Mango Unchained at the time about a 40% Chance of winning despite the Access Hollywood Tape that came out, as if I did not like H. Clinton, then I figured there were other Independent Voters who felt the same way and figured also a few Independent Voters would vote for Mango Unchained, based solely for Economic Reasons).

I had no idea about Trump's Racist Past with him and his Dad not renting to Black People and about the Central Park 5 Ad he took out(in the NY Times? in the 1980s, which I read about after he was elected, as mostly knew him as The Apprentice Guy, who even had some Cred with the Hip-Hop Community. I thought his Rallies as they went on were just him putting on a Show and he was just playing up the Racism Dog Whistles and then Bull Horns to gin up support figuring if he won then he would govern as a Moderate-Wow was I wrong on that one as I was more worried about Ted Cruz winning the GOP Nomination at the time.

I voted for Clinton only because of the Judges she would appoint. I think the SCOTUS Citizen United Decision that allowed Big Money in Politics is the worst thing that could happen to our Country, then add Roberts stating that the Voter Rights Act is no longer needed in our society was just as bad, as we now see how the GOP suppresses the Vote by Closing Voting Locations(mostly in Districts with a higher number of Black and Latino Voters to force Long Lines for them to wait 2-8 hours), Purging Registered Voters by making up reasons like, well this person has not voted in the past 3 Elections, Voter Photo ID that is tougher for Lower Income and Older People to obtain if they do not have a Drivers License by wildly overstating Voter Fraud that is shown by every account to be extremely minimal at best and also some States making it hard for College Students to Vote if they attend College in another State from where they live.

The Federalist Society lead by Leonard Leo and assisted by Moscow Mitch has had a 35+ Year Plan in place to groom Law School Graduates with plans to become Judges to pack the Federal Courts with their 'Originalist Little Scalias', as they realized that it was the only way to keep White People in Power(and Wealthy People in general), as the Demographic Changes they saw coming would make White People the Minority in the US eventually.

The changing Demographics is also why Mango Unchained's CULT(with a lot of White Nationalist within it, along with the Q Conspiracy Nut Cases) is in love with his message of keeping away 'Those People' from entering the US to the point that he put Kids of Refugees escaping Gang Violence in Cages after they crossed our Boarders. He is against Chain Migration, except for his Wife's Family. Apparently, he still welcomes People from Norway for some reason. Maybe those White People from Norway and Melania's Parents will pick our Fruits and Vegetables in the 110 Degrees California Heat and work in the Meat Packing Plants in High Risk Covid-19 Conditionso_O.

I will say this. Trump won(along with help from Putin/Facebook and Clinton being terrible and arrogant as a Candidate, as she ignored the Working Class Voters in PA, MI and WI, and almost lost MN) for the same reason that Obama won in 2008, as both of them had a Movement behind their run for POTUS, as they both would get Big Crowds at their Campaign Stops and also On-Line Support/High Interest. Although, Trump had to pull an inside straight to squeak out PA, MI and WI by 70,000 Total Votes, which was helped by Black Voters not turing out in those States for Clinton in 2016 like they did for Obama in 2008, but his Movement is what helped him overcome what looked to be at the time the Fatal Access Hollywood Tape. A Movement of spurred by White Nationalist is not my thing, but it cannot be denied that he had a Movement.

"Be Best"-Melania Trump

TSSK
 
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