Fit about the hit the shan, again (Jerry)
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Since he claims he is innocent I wouldn't be waiting for him to implicate anybody else.
I think people seem to forget his Bob Costas interview/confession. This can't be good for the cult
Yea, the Costas interview is why I never put much into what John Ziegler was selling. If you're showering with a boy and horsing around...you touched him sexually...no doubt.
Agree he is a loose cannon and when some one who is obviously a psychopath testify's you never know what they will say, but he isn't likely to "spill the beans" since doing so would pretty much kill any idea that he is innocent(very few still think he is but you know he is crazy)
Maybe the questioning gets intense like Code Red and you never know what someone might say. He is a psychopath and probably will use his "made up" story he has concocted in his head but you neeeeeever know
I'll update this Post Conviction Appeal Hearing and Penn State 3 Pre-Trial Motions later this month that all 4 Shamed Penn State's Name!
You mean when Costas hit him with a bunch of gotcha questions?
Questions like, "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?"
How is anyone supposed answer that humdinger?
How many times must Lucy pull the football out from Pitt fans in us thinking there will be a "gotcha" moment in these trials or investigations that 100% implicates Paterno and company in regards to knowing about these acts all along? How many times? Look, no one has spilled the beans on the JFK assassination. It has been 50 some years. Stop holding your breaths....nothing is going to happen. Nothing.
The never ending story. I'm sure the Nitters will enjoy have Jerry back in the news again!
no one big "gotcha" moment, but there has been plenty of info that implicates Joe. It has come in smaller doses, so it makes many of the Nitters the proverbial frog in slowing boiling water.
It's basically over.
Jerry in jail - victims paid off - administrators fired - Ped State stained forever. ( We all know the three stooges will walk).
Jerry has an attorney who's just making noise, wants publicity or a paycheck. They still have several lawsuits to finish up.
The one thing I would like to see is a final tally of the financial cost. Payouts, lost revenue, attorney and PR fees - I remember the Joebots mocking this board when we were throwing out figures of - 300 million and higher - Final tally will exceed 409 million - cost over a million dollars for all the "tainted wins".
For them - it was worth it - that's the sad part.
It doesn't sound like this is going to end anytime soon which will keep it in the news, which will always create doubt (good negative recruiting ammo) and will always keep people thinking although the ncaa will not get involved again.
The nits coaches and fans alike just want this whole Sandusky thing to go away once and for all. Problem is I don't think there is a big enough rug up there to sweep it under.
Not only that. I bet many of them would be willing to do it all over again. Exactly the same way, too!
Getting to the point now where PSU=Sandusky. Tough to walk around in a PSU t shirt.
They should work that phrase into the lyrics to their fight song.
If Sandusky testifies, it's probably going to be solely in the context of "bitching about his ineffective lawyers."
Now, I don't agree with Sandusky's complaints in that regard --- HE is the one who kept Amendola and Rominger on the job for 8 months.
But Sandusky's lawyers is really what these appeals are about. Not much more.
Now, I don't agree with Sandusky's complaints in that regard --- HE is the one who kept Amendola and Rominger on the job for 8 months.
But Sandusky's lawyers is really what these appeals are about. Not much more.
you mbe, I think we need an updated Maggot List.
Not gonna lie - I got a kick outa those posts.
Not gonna lie - I got a kick outa those posts.
"mbe 34, post: 1462094, member: 1738"]It's basically over.
Jerry in jail - victims paid off - administrators fired - Ped State stained forever. ( We all know the three stooges will walk).
Jerry has an attorney who's just making noise, wants publicity or a paycheck. They still have several lawsuits to finish up.
The one thing I would like to see is a final tally of the financial cost. Payouts, lost revenue, attorney and PR fees - I remember the Joebots mocking this board when we were throwing out figures of - 300 million and higher - Final tally will exceed 409 million - cost over a million dollars for all the "tainted wins".
For them - it was worth it - that's the sad part.
Higher and $till climbing!
BTW....What was that signature you used to end with, I can't remember it but it so applies today now that the Victim Voices are louder as they were Unsealed and can't be refuted anymore, the Media has judged them louder and clearer in "Hindsight"!
Thanks if you can put it up again!
Jerry in jail - victims paid off - administrators fired - Ped State stained forever. ( We all know the three stooges will walk).
Jerry has an attorney who's just making noise, wants publicity or a paycheck. They still have several lawsuits to finish up.
The one thing I would like to see is a final tally of the financial cost. Payouts, lost revenue, attorney and PR fees - I remember the Joebots mocking this board when we were throwing out figures of - 300 million and higher - Final tally will exceed 409 million - cost over a million dollars for all the "tainted wins".
For them - it was worth it - that's the sad part.
Higher and $till climbing!
BTW....What was that signature you used to end with, I can't remember it but it so applies today now that the Victim Voices are louder as they were Unsealed and can't be refuted anymore, the Media has judged them louder and clearer in "Hindsight"!
Thanks if you can put it up again!
This is usually the last stand vestige of Convicted Felons, but Sandusky's New Lawyers used for this Appeal are going to argue OAG Grand Jury Jurisdictional arguments and citations of Cases! The Judge has already restricted much of whom Sandusky can call before his Post Conviction Appeal Hearing?
The Cult hates Penn State, McQueary, Erickson, Trustees, Joyner more than Sandusky, they believed they all Shamed Paterno Name, and they think that Name is Bigger and has been Bigger and always will be Bigger than Pennsylvania State University, and that just goes against the Words in their own Alma Mater Song!
The Cult really wants to shout us, WE ARE....Paterno's!
Actually, it is Joe's Testimony at the Grand Jury that states he was told "inappropriate Sexual Contact, with Touchings, and other Sexual Detailsetc versus The Penn State Three all claiming they were told it was just "Horsing Around"? The Pre-Trial Motions on centerd on that and Jurisdiction of the OAG even allow to have a Grand Jury?
Gerry's Lawyers are also hitting that same theme and it is McQueary & Paterno testimony in the Grand Jury that Defense Lawyers must discount and try to keep out, to have a dismissal.
Why do you care so much? If I didn't read this message board I wouldn't have thought about this in years.
I agree. Anything else that he'd say as it relates to the crimes would have to involve some degree of self-incrimination. But there's plenty of wiggle-room to complain about the ineffectiveness of his legal representation.
And is there any doubt that his new legal beagle - whomever it happens to be - will fight as long as Jerry has a dollar to pay for it?
Ha Ha
I forgot all about those. They were fun.
I was thinking of printing a:
PED STATE ANNIVERSARY CALENDAR - highlighting all the important dates - Jerry Hired, Paturdo fired, charges filed, students riot, courts seal the records etc etc - there would be something on just about every date.
Dam Cap - I can't remember it.
Rivals had contacted me asking me to no longer post about Ped State and I agreed. I had a load of material and deleted it all.
This is absolute last area of Appeal once anyone is convicted completes the entire direct appeal process and it called "PSR", “Post-Conviction Relief.” It allows the Petitioner to bring in New Evidence of why errors happen at that first trial includes affidavits of a witness’ sworn statement and documentary exhibits such as the transcripts from earlier court proceedings, and witnesses that wanted to testify for the Defense but denied by the Judge that resulted in a conviction on possible judicial error. The Petitioner is allow to address the court as well. Victims can be called but usually denied by the Judge, but can submit an impact statement in writing as part of the record the Judge will consider as well to deny it.
PCR Appeal deal with Two Arguments or Contentions on the Record.
1. Ineffective Counsel
2. Prosecutors Misconduct
The Attorneys being accused of Ineffective Counsel that handled Defense and can be called as well as Witnesses that wanted to testify for the Defense but not allowed during the trial by the Trial Judge can testify what they were going to say at the PCR Hearing and why that resulted in an error that caused the conviction.
Prosecutors also allow to argue otherwise why it was Fair Trial and defend their own behavior, along with jurisdiction issues, case law support and other key issues that can support or undercut the record that led to the Guilty Verdict.
Usually most of these "PCR' Hearings only last for less than hour or a few hours, Sandusky is being given 3 days most likely due to the long term complexity of the case and every case is different on the facts and other aspects that happen during the investigation and trial.
After the PCR it will take months for the PCR Judge to write an opinion, whether the PSR is Granted Relief or Denied.
If Denied:
The Conviction and Sentence Is Upheld.
If Granted:
Judge can Order:
1. New Trial
2. Modify The Sentence
3. Order Other Relief As Necessary, like Dismissal or Release etc
Even after the PCR is Denied or Granted some kind of Relief, The Petitioner Or The Prosecutor representing the State can Appeal the PCR Hearing ruling too?
However, PCR are granted only about 2% to 3% of the time. It is big up-climb for the Petitioner but sometimes Prosecutors Misconduct comes out later in many Cases like it did in Illinois (Three State AG's that became Governor were Convicted of Misconduct) and many Convictions Reversed or PCR Granted.
Both look to be unlikely in this Sandusky Case and the PCR Judge has great lead way what is allowed and not allowed to be presented.
Sandusky's Counsel can put the blame on Prosecutors overwhelming them with boxes of evidence and show they raised that Objection by a Motion at Pre-Trial and wanted more Time but the Trial Judge did not provide it?
But even that is up to the PCR Judge to decide if that relevant, accurate, or an excuse for Ineffective Counsel depending on what is submitted at this PCR Hearing, and can be rejected on Victim's Impact Statement or anything else the PCR Trial wants to cite at the PCR Hearing submissions, but then that is subject to Appeal too?
In my opinion, the PCR Judge granting 3 Days to hear this PCR Appeal will provide Constitutional Arguments on why he denied it, and Sandusky's Lawyers can Appeal that but that shows Sandusky was given 3 Days not just 3 Hours to argue his Innocence, being subject PAOAG Misconduct using Grand Jury Jurisdiction mistakes, or T-rial Judges Errors, or Ineffective Counsel Mistake.
There is a chance Sandusky can be granted, but below 2% and unlikely due to many Childrens Victim's Impact Statements in my opinion. I would not bet against that either!
So be it! Rivals wants to posts on football and sports related subjects that can impact on Football or Sports, I respect Rivals Requests, and I will not Link Scout CFN out of that Respect, it is Rival's Blog, Ball & Backyard, and they set the Rules.
I can't wait for this is to be all over, Appeals, Trials, and Lawsuits.
After all, Penn State made the changes with Penn State 2012 Reforms and those are in place and in my opinion deserves praise doing it the right way.
Penn State has done a Great Job on New Policies and is a Model of Excellence on Institutional Control, Compliance's, Athletic, Academic & Student Judicial Integrity Code of Conduct, Disclosures of Trustees Conflicts of Interests, and Center for Children, Women, and Victims Protection Procedures, Counseling, and Programs. Real Deeds & Policies from the Penn State 2012 Reforms, to Penn State University credit today fixing what went wrong yesterday.
Indeed, Penn State is now truly practicing "The Penn State Way of Success with Honor Today" and just a Slogan, after "The Grand Experiment" was found to have "Painted The Mice" under The Penn State Football Program Paterno's Era & Errors?
The Trustees are coming together too as just a few Cultists still can't understand that Penn State University is and always will be bigger than One Man's legacy that Shamed both Names?
They know even if some Court Room Wins happen, they will not reverse the Court of Public Opinion ever since Victim's Voices will always prevail over any unintended Coach's Choices that also admitted more should have done in hindsight?
Franklin is complaining about it sometimes and now says that gives him a Negative Recruiting Disadvantage right now until it is all over. Yet, if I was him, I would be using the Penn State 2012 Reforms as Beacon attracting more Top Recruits. But so far that has been Honor with less Success and means accepting Paterno Error Football and that still does not sit well with many Alumni Contributors.
The Penn State Trustees now know what all the other College Football Programs knew a long time, that Penn State thought it was Special & Pure but that always based on their own Ignorance and Arrogance.
The Best & Brightest Penn State Alumni and Posters know it, and can talk Football Again, the Cultists keep living in a past that was never a reality of Honor just a big Slogan Game that Shamed many Names and that is never going to Change!
If they ever forget, CFB Media will remind them, time to talk Football again.
Cap-
I am going out on a limb and assuming you are a parent. When you reprimanded your child for doing something that was wrong, what would you have done if they denied they did anything wrong, kept whining that the punishment was not fair, kept trying to reduce the punishment, etc, etc ?????
In no way did UPS make changes without being forced to and that is not the RIGHT WAY. They are the exact opposite of honorable!
I am going out on a limb and assuming you are a parent. When you reprimanded your child for doing something that was wrong, what would you have done if they denied they did anything wrong, kept whining that the punishment was not fair, kept trying to reduce the punishment, etc, etc ?????
In no way did UPS make changes without being forced to and that is not the RIGHT WAY. They are the exact opposite of honorable!
Your posts are the greatest - keep em coming
Should be a great season for Pitt fans
I accept your views, as well as the Hypo and you are not wrong. I can accept PSU would have not done much because Spanier and Paterno would not tell them what went on, what was going on, and would have let it pass.
Yet, once Freeh came on to find out, interviewed employees, and without fear of being fired since Paterno-Graham were gone, Freed found a lot of PSU Paterno Era-Errors Football Non-Compliances and The NCAA saw it was clearly a case on Lack of Institutional Control one of biggest in its History?
The Undeniable Fact is Joe Paterno made himself bigger than Penn State, and Penn State allow that to happen, refused to change it, until the Penn State Scandal exposed Paterno's Programs, and had to put in Reforms so it won't happen again.
The only way to get out of the 119 Recommendations was to put in 116 Reforms!
However, PSU Trustees did do a Great job in doing it and that is my point. My view does not discredit your own either. But PSU has made Reforms they can be proud of too!
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I really think that they need to do a season of Serial about this PSU scandal. It would be perfect for a podcast series.
I do think that Jerry will spill the beans on what all happened at PSU at some point in the near future. I've said this before. Once the reality of his situation sets in and he realizes he will die in prison, he will bargain for jail house comforts. He will tell about the Second Mile and all of the folks that covered for him. In exchange, he'll get a nicer cell. Maybe more time for visitors. More outside time. Conjugal visits with Dottie (gag). He'll sing like a bird.
I do think that Jerry will spill the beans on what all happened at PSU at some point in the near future. I've said this before. Once the reality of his situation sets in and he realizes he will die in prison, he will bargain for jail house comforts. He will tell about the Second Mile and all of the folks that covered for him. In exchange, he'll get a nicer cell. Maybe more time for visitors. More outside time. Conjugal visits with Dottie (gag). He'll sing like a bird.
I don't know for sure, but most of these people with this propensity actually do not think they are doping anything wrong. Sandusky taught PSU Defensive players how to get other Players off their game, they were taught to use chalk and throw it in faces of players, hit others in the Jaw as they were being tackled, poke eyes, twists legs after the tackle, and it goes on as told to me by some PSU Players and other players that played against them, and Is aw it on twisting legs after legs on the field after the play.
This is part of the reason why Sandusky was an Effective DC and was carried off the Field with Paterno and took Penn State 5 years to win again after replacing him from 2000-2004 with just 1 winning season.
But you are not wrong on your assuumption that a Sandusky will talk about what happen to Victims. It will be Matt Sandusky and other victims Voices that are currently working with some Media and Children Advocate Groups working on what you are talking about to bring this important advocacy to Public View in the future.
It is actually why the Trustees have come together to unite to move on and recognize Joe Paterno as Great Coach, but was not running a Football Program on the same level he preached, and in the end Shamed both Penn State Names, by not getting rid of Sandusky at some point way back in 1970s or 1980s, and then ignored it in 1990s and 2000s, then cried his Legacy was ruined?!?
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I don't think Jerry will ever admit to doing anything wrong, even when he realizes he is done. I do think if he was offered comforts he might spill the beans on PSU as far as cheating/ any skeletons in the closet but there is no incentive for the state to give him anything for that. so its unlikely any new revelations come from Jerry
