for any interested in Purdue asst. coach take on pitt
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I hope he wasnt doing the scout. He was wrong about a few things:
1. Pitt is NOT a physical "bring your lunch pale" team. That's not us anymore and its partly why we've been down.
2. This Pitt team does NOT slow it down. We are playing at a fast pace and want to outscore people.
3. Young DOES like to float outside and hit long 2's with the occasional 3.
Pitt could deploy lineups tonight where all 5 players are legitimate 3 point shooters.
Purdue has to beat us inside. We need to make a lot of J's......but this may be the best shooting team Dixon has had so we can do it.
1. Pitt is NOT a physical "bring your lunch pale" team. That's not us anymore and its partly why we've been down.
2. This Pitt team does NOT slow it down. We are playing at a fast pace and want to outscore people.
3. Young DOES like to float outside and hit long 2's with the occasional 3.
Pitt could deploy lineups tonight where all 5 players are legitimate 3 point shooters.
Purdue has to beat us inside. We need to make a lot of J's......but this may be the best shooting team Dixon has had so we can do it.
probably is limited in film, but may have used general stats historically? Sure didn't miss on Young though...or even Artis...
The coach played at Purdue in the mid 90's as a 5 around 6'*8" or so. He was a very good rebounder and shooter around the elbow for Purdue. Started coaching some AAU and just became an Asst. for Purdue the last couple of years. Many think he is a valuable asset for the Bigs...AND they have improved. He was closer to young in style than the Purdue centers today.
no question Pitt can shoot and no question Purdue can defend the shot. ALL teams try to steal points in transition when possible and Purdue will as well. ALL teams lost 5 seconds this year and it affects all of them. Pitt is much more of a Big Team than other ACC teams. Pitt would fit in quite well in style with the Big. Make no mistake...Purdue can push the ball when it is there. One sideline to teh game is whether Pitt boards well or starts sending extras to the boards. If they do, Purdue can push the ball. Purdue wants a half court game where Purdue takes short shots that if missed there are short boards. however, they are capable of the 3 ball as well.. Expect Pitt to be the lunch pale team tonight and expect Purdue to understand that Pitt will bring that attitude tongiht no matter what they did before tonight
probably is limited in film, but may have used general stats historically? Sure didn't miss on Young though...or even Artis...
The coach played at Purdue in the mid 90's as a 5 around 6'*8" or so. He was a very good rebounder and shooter around the elbow for Purdue. Started coaching some AAU and just became an Asst. for Purdue the last couple of years. Many think he is a valuable asset for the Bigs...AND they have improved. He was closer to young in style than the Purdue centers today.
I was just kidding some people on this board when I made that post. Robinson is a very competent PG, but not a dynamic scorer. That bothers a lot of Pitt fans, who sometimes attribute his poor shooting to fatigue.
In that case I hope he did do the scouting. If Purdue is prepared for a physical game and we play an up-tempo finesse game where we're running the fast break and draining threes, then obviously they will be caught off guard and that would advantage us. I think your analysis of Pitt and this game are accurate, but if Purdue's coach is wrong, then most definitely I hope he was the one scouting us!
Actually, Matt talked about that a few days ago. He used to have coaches do different games but after talking with a few coaches he went to all coaches scouting the team. I expect Pitt to be as physical as can be because I don't expect them be soft. Pitt may run..."IF" they can cause turnovers or force Purdue long shots that are long boards. Unless the refs call a girls game there will be some physical play. I don't want a blood bath, but don't want fouls that have no affect on teh play called either. That said, Pitt will want to match hard posts and board play physically. Pit will not run or drain threes like IU last year, but Pitt has a much better inside game than IU. No matter what, this will be a hard fought game and I'm anxious to see how Purdue can do in this hostile environment without their leader. It is probably a win-win for both schools no matter who wins as long as it is close. It could be an awakening for AJ tonight as he does better in finesse games...and Kendall????? Is he cold or is he hot as he has been streaky. I've enjoyed this board adn the match up. I've been treated well here and think when you talk basketball and not smack that happens. Good luck tonight, but you know I'm pulling for the Boilers. Wish Pitt well this year....
Well, to the disappointment of you and I, expect a "girls game" to be called. The calls the officials have been making in regards to the rules being enforced are not actually bad calls, it is just making the games almost unbearable. Games are dragging on and in Pitt's few games this early season both teams have been in the bonus before 10 minutes into the half it seems like every game so far. I think most real basketball fans would love to see Pitt and Purdue battle it in a physical way tonight. I just don't know with the refs calling every little thing now that it's possible. Hope I'm wrong about that though, I think this should be a great game.
If you've ever been to a women's college basketball game any time recently (or for that matter a high school girls game) you'd know that they tend to be more physical than men's games. Frequently much more so.
As far as your contention that both teams have been in the double bonus before ten minutes into the half in Pitt's games, the funny thing about that is that in the previous two games neither Pitt nor it's opponent was EVER in the double bonus, and there was one half that Pitt didn't even get to the one and one and another where the only reason they did was because of an intentional foul at the end. In tonight's game both teams did get to the double bonus in the second half, but in the first half Pitt didn't and Purdue didn't even get to the one an one.
The myths that are building up around the way that the game is being called this season are becoming epic. They have very little relation to the facts, but they are becoming epic none the less.
Oh, and one other thing. Even though games are "dragging on" tonight was at least the third Pitt game in a row completed in less than two hours. The first two of those didn't even take one hour and 50 minutes.
The notion that games are "dragging on" is laughably false.
The notion that games are "dragging on" is laughably false.
I never even mentioned the double bonus, just the bonus. But I agree about women's basketball completely. The greatest coach of all time John Wooden said that if he wanted to watch a great basketball game he would watch a women's game. Who am I to dispute his claim?
That was an interesting game and with an ACC version more so than a Big it seems. There were some iffy calls no doubt and typical of the ACC it appeared they allowed more play on the boards and such. However, as usual the inside was called much different than the perimeter and I think this inconsistency from game to game is making it difficult for inside players to know how THAT game is going to be called. Overall, they did let them play more than Purdue's previous games.
Pitt is going to beat some people...no question and this was huge for Purdue without Davis because he would have provided driving the ball which refs typically notice more today. Still, I hope "fouls" do not result when non basketball plays are going on and it becomes a game of horse. teh players and coaches put in a hell of a lot more work into improving than the zebras
I think the "dragging on" is like anything else that is boring and disgusting. most knowledgeable people was and offense and a defense to be displayed and the game is all about offense anymore. The shot clock is to promote more points. The semi circle is to promote more points. The protection on the perimeter is to promote more points. The emphasis to make it more of a guard game is to make more teams capable of competing since the natural population produces more 6 foot players than 7 foot players. I do not want to see a wrestling contest and absolutely have no concerns when contact alters a basketball play and is called for it...but calls that don't affect anything should be ignored.
It is like sitting at a red light at 3 am and nobody around for several minutes One driver upon waiting a normal times senses a problem, understands the purpose of the light and adjusts accordingly safely driving away. The other driver waits....and waits...and waits..and waits because the light is red. Sometime later that driver drives away very reluctantly because the was stop on red and wait on green. Reffing like everything needs tempered and the games so far do in fact drag on...not in time consumed perhaps but in the application of boring calls that cut up the flow of the game.
How can they be making so many more calls that are cutting up the flow of the game in a game that gets played so quickly? That doesn't make any sense. Kind of by definition if the refs are making more calls and stopping the game more often the game will take longer. And yet for Pitt that has not been what has actually happened. I can't speak to you guys specifically, because last night was the first time I've seen you this season, but there is not some epidemic of games going way long this season compared to the past.
I contend that just like with the shot clock, if there wasn't so much talk about the rules being enforced differently 90% of the people would have never noticed.
I contend that just like with the shot clock, if there wasn't so much talk about the rules being enforced differently 90% of the people would have never noticed.
you are still getting stuck on "TIME" or duration of game rather than the game. Read my post again as I tried to draw better clarity to the flow, boring parts of the game. The refs are making more cuts to the flow in making calls that are meaningless. That may not make the game longer because it may produce a more matador defense that doesn't stop the clock. It does ruin basketball though. I think you will understand better at least on my end if you remove "TIME" of game or duration out of teh equation. I will say a week or so ago the refs were calling so much that there was a foul (and most were bogus) that was averaging every 30 seconds. Later that went to 45 and in the last 10 minutes less again. when there are judgement calls to look at the replay due to someone trying to guard someone on a block that takes time. When the game gets more physical there can always be more "TIME" stopped for the sake of time. However, many consider that in the flow.
Last night I didn't see too many soft calls. I do think the calls this year and last year since it really started last year protect the perimeter players more with many fouls called when dribbling the ball. Last night it appeared they really let them play inside on the boards for the most part, last year it started out really soft in preconference, but in Purdue's NC State game it got pretty physical and in the Big is wasn't near as bad aws pre conference. Perhaps we will see the same thing this year in the major conferences. I just know on Purdue's end there have been some really bogus calls that had no affect on the game, but merely refs gathering attention. it doesn't take long to play a game of horse...not that last night the calling resembled that...
A foul called every 30 seconds would mean 80 fouls called in a game. Please point me to one game, just one, that has had 80 fouls called in it. It will be interesting to see if either team finished the game with five players on the court with all those fouls called.
This is all just a reaction to people reading about all these huge changes that have come. As I said, if no one made any noise about them 90% of the fans would have never noticed any difference.
Players are adjusting, as is evidenced by the number of fouls being called being nowhere near 80 in a game. Fans will eventually adjust too.
If you read above what I wrote you will not see any indication of a full game that way. Instead you might see how the calls were reduced over the course of the game. Read again what I wrote above (just a little above this) and see if that makes sense now? If you check the Purdue Vermont stats you will find 49 fouls called or a foul every 49 seconds. Now read again with the stats you can find in google and see if everything I said could be true. personally, I think this game was called much different than some other games. I think they had Purdue playing a little too laid back instead of getting as physical as Pitt on the boards and such due to many games where those were fouls. How do I know the foul count in the Vermont game? There were so many BAD calls early it was hard not to notice.
I don't know whether you ever had responsibility to teach man defense to any teams, but the zebras take away a lot of defense that was taught for several decades.and I say that not wanting a wrestling match either...
